Anthony Davis: No Loyalty

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If Ainge feels confident thayt AD would resign, I would 100% be in favor of trading for him if Kyrie walks. And if that % chance of him resigning was down to 50%, I would still be tempted.
Isn’t that a huge of though? AD isn’t going to give assurances, and how confident can Danny be that he’ll resign after we trade away assets.

Welp, in any case, I guess I was wrong about no one thinking it was a good idea.
 

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There’s no point of “moving on” until Kyrie has made a decision.

Agree to disagree. If AD keeps saying these things eventually I’m inclined to believe him. And the AD thing will conclude before Kyrie decides. If Kyrie and AD wanted to team up in Boston they could’ve made that known. Instead we’re getting smaller and smaller lists of teams AD will sign with. He can’t even keep it quiet to help out his old team.
 

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Agree to disagree. If AD keeps saying these things eventually I’m inclined to believe him. And the AD thing will conclude before Kyrie decides. If Kyrie and AD wanted to team up in Boston they could’ve made that known. Instead we’re getting smaller and smaller lists of teams AD will sign with. He can’t even keep it quiet to help out his old team.
I think it’s certainly reasonable position and I’m guessing you’ll ultimately be right but I’m not giving up just yet. Wonder if Ainge can extract value somehow as the 3rd team.
 

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Not many star players recently have been traded to their "preferred" destinations however.
I get all that. And the Kawhi stuff too. AD and his team seem to be a bit more certain in terms of not even having a sliver of light out there—“He prefers NYK and LAL but could possibly be persuaded although it’s doubtful.”

I mean, if Ainge goes for it, I’ll root hard and hope AD changes his mind, but with each new list of teams I’m less enamored with taking the gamble. Reasonable minds can disagree.
 

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Serious question: why would AD want to play for the Knicks but not the Nets?
I'll take a stab...With the LAL and NYK he'd be turning around two fabled organizations, both are tire fires at the moment. Huge upside for him.

PLUS in NY:
Big Brother is Yanks, Giants, Rangers, Knicks
Little Brother is Mets, Jets, Nets, Islanders
 

Tony C

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It's the same as the Lakers rather than the Clippers. Clippers are a better situation, but the Lakers and Knicks have legacy appeal.
 

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Very interesting what the Lakers and Knicks do if AD is traded somewhere else. Do they punt again and roll cap space for AD in summer of ‘20 or try to sign max FA’s now?
 

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Isn't the answer, because he will be overpaid and he isn't an upgrade over Jrue anyways?
Why would he need to be an upgrade over Jrue?

Jrue has played mostly the 2 beside Rondo then Payton the last two years.

Rozier replaces Payton, not Jrue.
 

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Agree to disagree. If AD keeps saying these things eventually I’m inclined to believe him. And the AD thing will conclude before Kyrie decides. If Kyrie and AD wanted to team up in Boston they could’ve made that known. Instead we’re getting smaller and smaller lists of teams AD will sign with. He can’t even keep it quiet to help out his old team.
Well certainly his agent won’t be keeping quiet. :cool:
 

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Not necessarily. Pels want to bring prospective draft prospects in for workouts if they pick up more lottery picks.
They can still bring draft prospects in without having the actual picks in hand. I don't blame Griffin for setting a soft deadline though. With the draft on Thursday they want to not only have a game plan together but also to potentially move the picks in other deals.
 

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they say that guys won't come in for workouts for a team that isn't a possibility -- seems like the Pels could sort of explain the situation, but....whatever.
 

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Durant likely to miss most or all of 2020, which might increase the odds of Kyrie returning, at least on a 1 and 1. If he does that, would Danny empty the roster for one shot?
 

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I get all that. And the Kawhi stuff too. AD and his team seem to be a bit more certain in terms of not even having a sliver of light out there—“He prefers NYK and LAL but could possibly be persuaded although it’s doubtful.”

I mean, if Ainge goes for it, I’ll root hard and hope AD changes his mind, but with each new list of teams I’m less enamored with taking the gamble. Reasonable minds can disagree.
Time clouds our memories. Paul George was an LA or bust guy, didn't even want NYC. Kawhi is STILL linked heavily to the Clippers, and to no other teams outside the incumbent Raps.

This is mainly helpful in that the Knicks and Lakers don't have great assets besides their #3 and #4 pick, respectively. Carlisle + Luka/Kristaps really devalues the Dallas picks, and the situation with the Lakers young players has been hashed to death. AD's actions here mainly help the Celtics, in that Griffin has a harder time demanding an overpay from them.
 

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A three-way is rumored to be under discussion among NO, LAL and Detroit. Griffin (or possibly Drummond) to the Pels, AD to the Lakers, young players and picks to Detroit and NO. It's totally unsubstantiated, but that's one way Griffin could get his all-star.
 

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A three-way is rumored to be under discussion among NO, LAL and Detroit. Griffin (or possibly Drummond) to the Pels, AD to the Lakers, young players and picks to Detroit and NO. It's totally unsubstantiated, but that's one way Griffin could get his all-star.
Griffin would be a very risk get for NO. He's played more than 70 games once since 2014, and that was this season, when he then was injured in postseason.
 

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I mean...doesnt an offer of Tatum only trump that offer? I call BS
Depends on what all the pieces are. Theoretically it could be Lonzo/Kuzma to Detroit and Ingram, Griffin and #4 to NOP. That's not a bad offer, although I don't understand a Zion/Griffin frontcourt or why you'd clog your cap sheet with that deal when you should be clearing space to build around Zion.
 

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Time clouds our memories. Paul George was an LA or bust guy, didn't even want NYC. Kawhi is STILL linked heavily to the Clippers, and to no other teams outside the incumbent Raps.
Yes, it does. A lot of us noted at the time of the George fracas that the sources that declared PG to the Lakers was a fait accompli were all hooked into Laker management. In the Leonard situation what we heard was that he didn't want to team up with James. So neither situation is really analogous to this one where the player has requested a trade to the Lakers and hired a management agency owned by a current Laker player. That is one palpable difference.

I understand that in a vacuum that maybe Davis would love playing in Boston and change his mind, but again, this isn't OKC and his agent isn't Aaron Mintz. He's got Klutch and they will do whatever it takes to get their client teamed up with their owner.
 

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Depends on what all the pieces are. Theoretically it could be Lonzo/Kuzma to Detroit and Ingram, Griffin and #4 to NOP. That's not a bad offer, although I don't understand a Zion/Griffin frontcourt or why you'd clog your cap sheet with that deal when you should be clearing space to build around Zion.
I agree with this, it doesn't make sense to clog the cap with Griffin. Maybe they think they can spin Griffin to the Knicks after they strike out in free agency?
 

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Lonzo + Kuzma seems like a terrible return for DET. I get that maybe they want to move on from Griffin, but they just gave up a hell of a lot more than that to get him and he just went out and played 75 games and had his best season since 2014.
 

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If the rumor has any validity (it's very likely bogus), Detroit maybe gets Randle, who also looks like a bad fit with Zion. Randle would have to opt in or agree to an extension before the trade.
 

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If the rumor has any validity (it's very likely bogus), Detroit maybe gets Randle, who also looks like a bad fit with Zion. Randle would have to opt in or agree to an extension before the trade.
Well, the "rumor" keeps changing so perhaps we should all wait until this is something more.
 

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The problem with this rumored trade is that its very shortsighted. The Pelicans, even with Griffin/Drummond and whatever they can get out of the Lakers, aren't going to contend for a championship. Unless David Griffin is on a very short leash, taking on a veteran on that squad doesn't really move the needle. In addition, he is now diluting the potential return for Davis by forgoing young pieces and assets (vs dealing with the Lakers directly).

Anything is possible but if New Orleans is trying to rebuild on the fly, there are likely far better deals out there with teams that have actual impact players whom they might move in exchange for Davis. I don't doubt Griffin is exploring every option but it seems to me that his best package is a bunch of young players and picks which allow him to build around Williamson.
 

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A three-way is rumored to be under discussion among NO, LAL and Detroit. Griffin (or possibly Drummond) to the Pels, AD to the Lakers, young players and picks to Detroit and NO. It's totally unsubstantiated, but that's one way Griffin could get his all-star.
Rumored where? Provide a link. Otherwise, it's just you throwing shit against the wall
 

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If the rumor has any validity (it's very likely bogus), Detroit maybe gets Randle, who also looks like a bad fit with Zion. Randle would have to opt in or agree to an extension before the trade.
Rumor from where? Not seeing it on twitter or any of the reputable aggregator sites. The three-team scenario was strange enough, but the idea that Randle would opt-in is not believable. He's going to get a full MLE offer or better this offseason.
 

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If Ky/MaMo/Rozier exit, the C's will lose a lot of scoring. BUT we'll see a defensive uptick, more ball movement, improved team chemistry & our coach back in charge. They will be fine next season.
I would be very surprised if Ainge allows three assets to walk out the door this summer for nothing. With Kyrie, he may have no choice, but he has control with Rozier, and I think that there will be a sincere interest in bringing back Morris as well. Those guys will provide rotation minutes to the roster in the near term and potentially valuable midrange contracts to facilitate bigger deals in the future.
 

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I would be very surprised if Ainge allows three assets to walk out the door this summer for nothing. With Kyrie, he may have no choice, but he has control with Rozier, and I think that there will be a sincere interest in bringing back Morris as well. Those guys will provide rotation minutes to the roster in the near term and potentially valuable midrange contracts to facilitate bigger deals in the future.
Fair enough, it's probably Kyrie OR Rozier.

Marcus Morris was a nice pick up for Bradley when we needed salary relief to sign Hayward. BUT its time to move on from MaMo. Assets be damned! He'll need rotational minutes and we've seen enough of that soap opera. His transition defense has been consistently awful and will only get worse with age. In the halfcourt, he's not capable of rotating/helping on bigs down low or staying in front of a wing on the perimeter.
 

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Spoilers? It's a rumor, that's all.
Do I think AD is going to the Lakers? Yes, and so do the people in Las Vegas.
 

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Spoilers? It's a rumor, that's all.
Do I think AD is going to the Lakers? Yes, and so do the people in Las Vegas.
No, what I was saying is that when I was looking at the post it appeared to be in a SPOILER tag. Not seeing it now.
 

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Marc Berman of the NY Post writes that his sources are telling him the Pelicans consider the Celtics to have the best package of young assets to offer them. Also says the Knicks need a 3rd team moreso than any other due to the Pelicans not liking what young players the Knicks can offer.

 

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Between now and, say, July 1 there will be dozens of NBA rumors on free agency, the draft and potential trades, About 2% of them will turn out to be true. But it's hard to know which ones are worth discussing. Sometimes I see one and think "that could never happen" so I don't bother with it. This one seemed at least marginally credible.
 

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Between now and, say, July 1 there will be dozens of NBA rumors on free agency, the draft and potential trades, About 2% of them will turn out to be true. But it's hard to know which ones are worth discussing. Sometimes I see one and think "that could never happen" so I don't bother with it. This one seemed at least marginally credible.
It really didn't though. As others have noted, the fit between Griffin and Williamson is awkward and if its Drummond, that makes even less sense. Then there is the point about New Orleans diluting the young assets they could get from the Lakers by having some sent to the Pistons so the Pelicans can get a declining all star. Tigerdroppings indeed...