Angels trade Hamilton to TEX
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Given how fast it was pulled down, my guess is that he was not.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. All that matters is that we were able to capture it for posterity.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. All that matters is that we were able to capture it for posterity.
I don't know anything about this writer so I have no idea of his posting history, but he really needs to be fired for writing an incendiary farewell on a sports blog?
I mean I can see where Hamilton's quote would put some people off.
I'm not defending the piece, but I don't get the immediate desire to make it vanish. At least it's interesting.
I mean I can see where Hamilton's quote would put some people off.
I'm not defending the piece, but I don't get the immediate desire to make it vanish. At least it's interesting.
Hamilton's parting comments:
Regarding Moreno's comments about him lacking accountability: “I have no clue what he’s talking about. I showed up every day and played hard when I was there. I hadn’t been the player they wanted me to be, I know I haven’t been, but I worked my butt off this winter to be that player.
“They just didn’t want that to happen for some reason. It doesn’t hurt my feelings or make me mad, but I prepared. [Moreno] knew what the deal was when he signed me. Hands down, he knew what he was getting. He knew what the risks were. He knew all those things. Under the [joint drug agreement], it is what it is.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-josh-hamilton-exception-angels-accountability-20150427-story.html?track=rss
Scioscia on Hamilton's comments:
"He had his relapse, but I know we supported him in every aspect, whatever his needs were. And just hearing some of his comments, the one thing that I think is said and I'm a little disappointed in is the fact that there wasn't any accountability, most importantly to his teammates. If you look at how much support he got in that clubhouse - when he was struggling, whatever was happening - no one ever questioned Josh's work ethic and him wanting to play hard. I know he got a lot of support from the guys in that clubhouse. For him not to show at least a little remorse from his teammates, I just think it's wrong."
https://twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/593210761054265345
Regarding Moreno's comments about him lacking accountability: “I have no clue what he’s talking about. I showed up every day and played hard when I was there. I hadn’t been the player they wanted me to be, I know I haven’t been, but I worked my butt off this winter to be that player.
“They just didn’t want that to happen for some reason. It doesn’t hurt my feelings or make me mad, but I prepared. [Moreno] knew what the deal was when he signed me. Hands down, he knew what he was getting. He knew what the risks were. He knew all those things. Under the [joint drug agreement], it is what it is.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-josh-hamilton-exception-angels-accountability-20150427-story.html?track=rss
Scioscia on Hamilton's comments:
"He had his relapse, but I know we supported him in every aspect, whatever his needs were. And just hearing some of his comments, the one thing that I think is said and I'm a little disappointed in is the fact that there wasn't any accountability, most importantly to his teammates. If you look at how much support he got in that clubhouse - when he was struggling, whatever was happening - no one ever questioned Josh's work ethic and him wanting to play hard. I know he got a lot of support from the guys in that clubhouse. For him not to show at least a little remorse from his teammates, I just think it's wrong."
https://twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/593210761054265345
Yeah that's a dickish statement by Hamilton. They knew what they were getting into?
I mean, yeah I guess but there's plenty of blame to go around, including you Josh.
I mean, yeah I guess but there's plenty of blame to go around, including you Josh.
Can't say I'm surprised at what Hamilton wrote considering he's been silent while Moreno and the organization shit all over him the past few weeks.
Still stupid of Hamilton to say that.
Still stupid of Hamilton to say that.
I'd be extremely interested in finding out the details of this whole situation. I have trouble believing it is as simple as "Moreno is an asshole, everyone in the organization is a piece of shit and they threw him under the bus". We most likely will never get it, but the whole story could be fascinating in a "driving by a car crash" sense.
I was talking about what you felt was important enough to warrant discussion, not what the Hamiltons discussed themselves. But it's neat that the guy who's blaming the addict's wife for his troubles and who claimed that all battered women have a choice is lecturing me about not knowing what goes on behind closed doors.mauidano said:
Lose Remerswaal said:
Hamilton almost singlehandedly won two games; that's already more value than Moreno saved by dumping the contract.
Plympton91 said:
Kind of a case study for why smart executives don't allow their petulance to drive decision-making.
Arte Moreno is a fool.
jon abbey said:
One good day doesn't really erase a season of an 82 wRC+ with a super high strike out rate, a paltry walk rate and no power. Hamilton is cooked and no matter how much today might hurt the Angels, they can field a better team without him there. Whether that was worth basically eating the entire contract or not is definitely up for debate, but today has nothing to do with it.
Well, there are different ways to look at it. I'd say in a division decided by just a couple of games, it would drive me crazy if I were an Angels fan to see a guy on our payroll swing a few head-to-head matchups and TEX wins the division while LA misses the playoffs, but the opportunity cost is a good argument too. Have Hamilton's replacements in LA done much since his release?
jon abbey said:
Rasputin said:
He hasn't swung any head-to-head matchups. Today was his one of his only good games against them; he had a .551 OPS against the Angels coming in. Fangraphs has him at about $400k value for the year coming into today, and the team got back how many million? How much would you say those 2 HRs in a loss were worth? And how much was his 0-4 last night worth, including stranding a runner on third in the 6th and the K in the 9th down one run with one out?
Rasputin said:
Even if Texas had hung on to win, this was one game out of 162 and it was one good day out of a full season for Hamilton, who probably would have sunk the Angels' season long before now if he'd been playing for them instead of Texas. He's been terrible this year. That's about the end of the discussion, IMO.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
Yes, and if the Rangers had spent the $7 million or whatever it was on another player instead of Hamilton, that player would have been expected to have performed better than Hamilton did, including against LAA, potentially swinging more games in the Rangers favor. The "I wouldn't want him beating my team" is as dumb as the kid complaining about what another player does on the blackjack table.
The Angels made the trade based on the belief that Hamilton's value going forward would be less than what they could get back for him. They appropriately disregarded the sunk costs. Thus far, it's been a good move.