Andrew Bynum's knee is an unhappy man

[knucklecup]

Andrew Bynum suspended indefinitely.
 
Woj's League Source = "He doesn't want to play basketball anymore.  He never liked it that much in first place."

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Andrew Bynum suspended indefinitely.
 
Woj's League Source = "He doesn't want to play basketball anymore.  He never liked it that much in first place."

Green and Bass for Bynum, Waiters, and Cleveland's #1. Get it done, Danny.

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

Green and Bass for Bynum, Waiters, and Cleveland's #1. Get it done, Danny.

Sounds like the Cavs are just going to cut Bynum. That deal was really team friendly; they knew they probably weren't going to get anything out of it, and next year's money is a team option.

 

[jabo57]

Bynum is a fucking head case. I read articles and he is think of retiring. It is a shame. He was a great player. He is just not mentally in basketball anymore.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Bynum is a fucking head case. I read articles and he is think of retiring. It is a shame. He was a great player. He is just not mentally in basketball anymore.

Well earlier in the year I remember reading how he was trying to adjust to his loss of athleticism, and that he still has pain every time he plays. If he wants to be able to walk normally past 45 it might be a good idea to hang it up.

 

[Kliq]

Simmons talked earlier on Twitter about how Bynum is tanking himself so he can go to a winning team. Apparently, he really wants to go to either Miami or the Clippers. At this point, why would a team even want Bynum? Is there a GM out there that thinks that once Bynum gets on a winning team he will magically start being a 20-10 guy? Is all the trouble he brings worth a guy that goes 8-6 every night?

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Simmons talked earlier on Twitter about how Bynum is tanking himself so he can go to a winning team. Apparently, he really wants to go to either Miami or the Clippers. At this point, why would a team even want Bynum? Is there a GM out there that thinks that once Bynum gets on a winning team he will magically start being a 20-10 guy? Is all the trouble he brings worth a guy that goes 8-6 every night?

 
Because in today's NBA, he doesn't need to be a "20-10" guy and an "8-6" might be just fine.   Those numbers don't mean as much as the some of the advanced stats - for example, his true shooting percentage, which is probably better than EFG% given that he is a center, is a woeful 45.6.   However, when Bynum is healthy, motivated and in the right system, the guy has shown that he can put up 60-handles consistently and rebound at an elite rate.    
 
He is just 26 years old (in October) and seven feet tall.  Just about any contending team that can afford him can use that.  He may never be the guy who averaged ~ 12 rebounds per 35 minutes played.   But with his size, strength and track record, he will garner some interest.  Hell, I hope Golden State looks into him.

 

[jabo57]

Well earlier in the year I remember reading how he was trying to adjust to his loss of athleticism, and that he still has pain every time he plays. If he wants to be able to walk normally past 45 it might be a good idea to hang it up.
.

True but if he feels so bad why would he sign the fucking contact knowing he was hurt? The cavs could have signed other talent instead.

 

[Blacken]

Because he thought he'd feel better by this point in the season?

 

[jabo57]

Because he thought he'd feel better by this point in the season?



He Said he was gonna try his hardest to heal and do better but he gave no effort and is producing shit numbers.

 

[Blacken]

Setting aside how absolutely ludicrous it is for a fan to try to evaluate effort: OK. And?

 

[Brickowski]

If I were playing for the Cavs, I wouldn't be mentally into basketball either.

 

[Kliq]

 
Because in today's NBA, he doesn't need to be a "20-10" guy and an "8-6" might be just fine.   Those numbers don't mean as much as the some of the advanced stats - for example, his true shooting percentage, which is probably better than EFG% given that he is a center, is a woeful 45.6.   However, when Bynum is healthy, motivated and in the right system, the guy has shown that he can put up 60-handles consistently and rebound at an elite rate.    
 
He is just 26 years old (in October) and seven feet tall.  Just about any contending team that can afford him can use that.  He may never be the guy who averaged ~ 12 rebounds per 35 minutes played.   But with his size, strength and track record, he will garner some interest.  Hell, I hope Golden State looks into him.

 
That is the big issue. You need three things to break right for this guy just so he doesn't end up being a scrub. Being an 8-6 player is fine, can really help any team, but you don't want an 8-6 guy that is a bad teamate and has motivational issues. NBA teams will look the other way and deal with a lot of crap for a star player, but they will put up with a lot less from an expendable guy, like Bynum is right now.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I don't buy the lazy talk at all. Bynum came back sooner than expected and lost a ton of weight, coming into the season in great shape. It seems like much of the issue between him and the Cavs is that he isn't getting playing time or the ball when he's out there. Windhorst had a nice balanced piece on him today. Woj is playing hatchet man for a team looking to force CLE to cut him. All those anonymous quotes on what teams thought in the summer but didn't tell Woj until now make me think someone (Miami or LAC most likely) but can't trade.

 

[jabo57]

I am just saying that Bynum does not have what it takes to be a legitamnet superstar in the NBA. He showed signs of greatness in LA but I have not seen It since

 

[Blacken]

Not one person in this thread, aside from you, has said anything about Bynum being a superstar. Certainly not a legitamnet one.

 

[jabo57]

I am just stating that people are defending him but he sucks

 

[Sprowl]

Andrew Bynum suspended indefinitely.
 
Woj's League Source = "He doesn't want to play basketball anymore.  He never liked it that much in first place."

 
Cleveland in December will do that to any man, but it will do that even more to a man with a failed bionic knee who is condemned to attempting to race up and down a basketball court every day for the rest of his life, and lose
 
every single time. He probably envies Prometheus.

 

[cardiacs]

I am just stating that people are defending him but he sucks

 
I don't post too much outside game threads because I am afraid people are going to judge me in the same manner I am judging you now. 

 

[knucklecup]

The eye test says differently, son.

You should really put your money where your mouth is. I have no doubt in my brain that I would do better than you predicting the outcomes of NBA games.

Let me know if interested. Could be fun for the board as well.

 

[knucklecup]

@BillSimmons: 4 - Also hearing he'd consider Boston - Celts have expirings/assets to get him (if they wanted him). His ideal teams are Miami/Clips though.

Bynum probably deserves his own thread at this point. He's going to derail this game thread until January 7th.

 

[Sprowl]

@BillSimmons: 4 - Also hearing he'd consider Boston - Celts have expirings/assets to get him (if they wanted him). His ideal teams are Miami/Clips though.

Bynum probably deserves his own thread at this point. He's going to derail this game thread until January 7th.

 
Andrew Bynum doesn't deserve his own thread, but his knee does. Now it has one.

 

[knucklecup]

 
Andrew Bynum doesn't deserve his own thread, but his knee does. Now it has got one.

That's what I meant. Thank you.

 

[nighthob]

Green and Bass for Bynum, Waiters, and Cleveland's #1. Get it done, Danny.

 
I'd be wiling to give them more to cut into that stash of draft picks they're holding. Especially the Miami one because if they can reach the second round this year they just might be able to get James to return, at which point that Miami #1 will be pretty valuable.

 

[moly99]

It's easy to say that he is a lazy bastard for being unhappy because of knee problems. But as someone who has chronic patellar tendonosis I think I can safely say that anyone with a significant knee problem is inevitably going to be unhappy about routinely doing something that inflames that knee. It's just human nature.
 
If Bynum has a good financial manager he is justified in considering walking away from the game and spending the rest of his life on a beach in Andalusia.

 

[Blacken]

You should really put your money where your mouth is. I have no doubt in my brain that I would do better than you predicting the outcomes of NBA games.

Why would I do that? I don't put any stock in my ability to predict individual games on a consistent basis. I'm just having fun at your expense for thinking your "eye test" means anything when everybody from media members to metrics people discount their own eye test.

You're the fan everyone loves making fun of.

 

[Koufax]

Why would Cleveland give away draft picks to get rid of Bynum when they can just cut him?

 

[radsoxfan]

Why would Cleveland give away draft picks to get rid of Bynum when they can just cut him?

 
They might trade a package of Bynum and a draft pick if they are getting players they want and they think they need to throw in the pick to make the trade happen. 
 
Obviously they won't trade Bynum and a pick for nothing just to get rid of Bynum.

 

[smastroyin]

It really pisses me off that nearly the only time in his career when he was useful was the 2010 playoffs.

 

[knucklecup]

Why would I do that? I don't put any stock in my ability to predict individual games on a consistent basis. I'm just having fun at your expense for thinking your "eye test" means anything when everybody from media members to metrics people discount their own eye test.

You're the fan everyone loves making fun of.

This is a cop out.

You make constant back handed remarks, your arrogance is on display daily, and you have even attempted to put me down in PM form by bragging about your entry level "job offer" with the Bobcats (I got an email too and when I realized my current role paid me more and gave me a better opportunity moving forward, I opted not to continue pursuing).

You remind me of Miles Finch in Elf.

"I get more ass in a week than you've had in your entire life."

Congrats dude. Be proud.

How is being superior to you at being able to predict outcomes of NBA games over the long haul not show a superior understanding of the game?

This isn't baseball where I'll say something and get checked by Sprowl who goes way more in depth than I ever could. Basketball has too many variables.

It's an open invitation. I'll be here until the day I die. You know where to find me.

 

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

It really pisses me off that nearly the only time in his career when he was useful was the 2010 playoffs.

 
I was just thinking that

 

[jon abbey]

 
I was just thinking that

 
It's not true, though, he was an impact player pretty much the entire time he was in LA (keeping in mind he came into the league at 18) and continued to improve until this most recent wave of injuries:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01.html

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

This is a cop out.

You make constant back handed remarks, your arrogance is on display daily, and you have even attempted to put me down in PM form by bragging about your entry level "job offer" with the Bobcats (I got an email too and when I realized my current role paid me more and gave me a better opportunity moving forward, I opted not to continue pursuing).

You remind me of Miles Finch in Elf.

"I get more ass in a week than you've had in your entire life."

Congrats dude. Be proud.

How is being superior to you at being able to predict outcomes of NBA games over the long haul not show a superior understanding of the game?

This isn't baseball where I'll say something and get checked by Sprowl who goes way more in depth than I ever could. Basketball has too many variables.

It's an open invitation. I'll be here until the day I die. You know where to find me.

 
So you are saying that he'll be seeing you?
 
Back on topic, looking at his game logs for this season, Bynum's shooting is still pretty erratic and poor.  But his rebounding seems to have improved as the season goes along.   I will stand by my original thought that he will garner lots of interest from teams who are contending.  Who doesn't want a seven footer who can give you 20+ minutes and ~ eight boards?

 

[smastroyin]

That's true, and really he wasn't even that good on offense in 2010, but he certainly changed a bunch of what the Celts were trying to do with the offense.
 
I'm just a bitter bitter man about that series still.

 

[knucklecup]

Ha. Not at all. Just want something practical to determine basketball knowledge, not a popularity contest.

 

[jon abbey]

 I'll be here until the day I die.

 
Not if it was up to me.

 

[jabo57]

What you guys think of the suns?

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

That's true, and really he wasn't even that good on offense in 2010, but he certainly changed a bunch of what the Celts were trying to do with the offense.
 
I'm just a bitter bitter man about that series still.

 
In my reality, the Cs won that series.  I'm sticking to that.
 
It would suck if Bynum went to the Heat and sacrificed his future ability to walk to get the one or two more titles.

 

[jabo57]

Who you guys think is the best talent on the c's currently not including rondo

 

[nighthob]

Sullinger maybe? Green is pretty much topped out at average NBA player at this point. Sullinger might have upside as an above average player.

 

[jabo57]

Yea true. I also think that Crawford is up there

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Take it with a million grains of salt, but I just heard from a buddy who is fairly well connected that Bynum was suspended because he was banging the wife of one of the assistant coaches.  Lol if true.

 

[DJnVa]

http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/articles/andrew_bynum_caught_sleeping_with_coachs_wife/15419830

 

[joeydaly]

Wouldn't be surprised due to Bynums terrible attitude and lack of respect.

 

[Jer]

http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/articles/andrew_bynum_caught_sleeping_with_coachs_wife/15419830

 
A quick Google search implies that she's pregnant and due in February*. I'm not saying that makes the rumor impossible, but it does seem either less likely or significantly more scandalous.
 
 
*Baby registry, exact name match on both husband and wife, in Ohio, cached on December 19th (before rumor broke)

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

If this is at all real, his "true" shooting percentage should be a lot higher, right?

 

[nighthob]

When the Lakers raved about his length they obviously meant a whole lot more than we suspected

 

[moondog80]

A quick Google search implies that she's pregnant and due in February*. I'm not saying that makes the rumor impossible, but it does seem either less likely or significantly more scandalous.


*Baby registry, exact name match on both husband and wife, in Ohio, cached on December 19th (before rumor broke)


I assume Bynum wouldn't be the father, so I'm not sure what this changes except maybe a bit more scandalous.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Irish Coffee: Why a Bynum Trade isn't Crazy
 

This past summer, after missing the entire 2012-13 NBA season due to knee injuries, Bynum signed a two-year, $24.8 million deal in Cleveland, but the structure of the contract is a unique one. Only $6 million is guaranteed should the Cavaliers or any potential trade partner cut him prior to Jan. 7. Likewise, next year’s $12.5 million price tag does not become guaranteed until July 10, so there are salary cap-saving options galore. 

Cavaliers blog Fear the Sword proposed an interesting swap (h/t Red’s Army): Jeff Green and Courtney Lee for Bynum and one of Cleveland’s two first-round picks in 2014.
 

So, why would it make sense for the Celtics to part with their leading scorer? Ainge’s stockpiling of first-round picks is no secret, and by cutting Bynum before Jan. 7 (or even at season’s end), he could shave as much as $36.5 million off the cap through 2016 by shipping Green and Lee’s $15 million combined annual salaries. Such a deal slices the C’s guaranteed commitments to just $35.5 million next season, offering complete flexibility on the free agent market while landing a third first-round pick for the league’s most loaded draft in a decade.
 

 

[ElUno20]

Is Dan Gilbert really going to help the lakers out?