Analysis of Celtics Games, '21-'22 Season

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Ime has decided against naming a captain, but this quote reflects well on Tatum’s effort in practice/games. Also a good quote about how they are trying to scheme around all the traps Tatum draws.

“That’s probably in the rearview now. Like I mentioned earlier, it was a focus until guys were missing with Al and Jaylen going out (in the preseason),” he said. “Then, the focus became figuring out lineups and rotations and all that. As I mentioned, they all do it in different ways. Jayson is a guy who does it on the court everyday here, maybe not as vocal as other guys but Al and Marcus do it in their own way and Jaylen brings some as well. It’s something I haven’t thought about as much as far as initially in the season due to the circumstances. That’s probably in the rearview, honestly.”
“When he holds it he draws attention — obviously he’s the center of attention out there. So quick decisions is one thing. But he’s been great against the blitz, gotten off the ball, and we didn’t score as well against Chicago but we did against Dallas. So we trust our guys behind him, and getting the numbers behind it. We worked on a few situations today knowing that teams will probably go after him.”
 
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Nice game today.

Tatum's shot left him, but he added 12 rebounds and a team-leading 7 assists.

Smart had his first game where he looked like Marcus Smart. 13 points, 6 assists, 3 steals, and a block. Took over with his defense for a stretch in the third.

Robert Williams had 16 points (8-11, missing his only 3 non-dunks), 13 rebounds, 2 steals and a block. One nice asisst, too. Had the ball at the top of the key and it was poked away. He smoothly retrieved it and hit Taum for an open 3.

Richardson chipped in 15 points off the bench along with 3 steals and a block in 33 minutes.

Schroder, coming off his best game as a C, put up his worst. He somehow scored 20 points on 8 of 15 and added 4 assists. That's the good part. But he had 8 turnovers (Celtics as a team had only 15), and there was a stretch early in the third where it looked like he was singlehandedly out to deprive the C's of the game by repeatedly turning the ball over.
 
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Our starters have been kicking ass.

This is our net ratings when the following starters are out.
Jaylen -9.0
Rob -9.3
Al -2.4
Tatum -10.2
Smart -10.9
Schroder -8.0
 

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Toronto shot 42.9% from the field. That's three out of the last four games where they held teams below their season average. To be fair, in this case it was essentially right below the Raps season average but it lines up with what we are seeing on the court. This team is kind of terrifying for the opposition defensively.
 

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Nice game today.

Tatum's shot left him, but he added 12 rebounds and a team-leading 7 assists.

Smart had his first game where he looked like Marcus Smart. 13 points, 6 assists, 3 steals, and a block. Took over with his defense for a stretch in the third.

Robert Williams had 16 points (8-11, missing his only 3 non-dunks), 13 rebounds, 2 steals and a block. One nice asisst, too. Had the ball at the top of the key and it was poked away. He smoothly retrieved it and hit Taum for an open 3.

Richardson chipped in 15 points off the bench along with 3 steals and a block in 33 minutes.

Schroder, coming off his best game as a C, put up his worst. He somehow scored 20 points on 8 of 15 and added 4 assists. That's the good part. But he had 8 turnovers (Celtics as a team had only 15), and there was a stretch early in the third where it looked like he was singlahdnedly out to deprive the C's of the game by repeatedly turning the ball over.
That's pretty much how I saw the game too. Not DS worst game as a C, but that stretch was dreadful. He was great otherwise.

Grant made a few nice plays and looks great...except for the 3ball abandoning him.

Toronto shot 42.9% from the field. That's three out of the last four games where they held teams below their season average. To be fair, in this case it was essentially right below the Raps season average but it lines up with what we are seeing on the court. This team is kind of terrifying for the opposition defensively.
Yeah we met fire with fire tonight. Toronto was trying to out physical and outhustle us again, and no dice this team. This team is developing an edge and almost an identity. Love the stability that the vets provide.
 

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Smart had his first game where he looked like Marcus Smart. 13 points, 6 assists, 3 steals, and a block. Took over with his defense for a stretch in the third.
Not a coincidence that Smart is settling back into his role now that he no longer has primary ball handling responsibilities. Unfortunately it took a Jaylen injury for Ime to figure this out……hopefully he figured it out and doesn’t screw things up once Jaylen returns. This lineup is putting some pieces into their proper places and is crushing defensively.
 

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Toronto shot 42.9% from the field. That's three out of the last four games where they held teams below their season average. To be fair, in this case it was essentially right below the Raps season average but it lines up with what we are seeing on the court. This team is kind of terrifying for the opposition defensively.
Up to 4 straight games of strong defensive effort and pretty good execution. I don't think last year's team hit that at any point during the season. Have to start giving Ime credit if this keeps up.

Schroder being competitive on D finally gives them someone who can guard 1s without being totally abused in the rest of the scheme. You can tell Ime likes this, because he's mostly stapled PP to the bench.

The real story is that Smart and Tatum look like themselves again defensively. It changes everything when your two star wing defenders are actually that, as opposed to theoretically that.
 
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Up to 4 straight games of strong defensive effort and pretty good execution. I don't think last year's team hit that at any point during the season. Have to start giving Ime credit if this keeps up.

Schroder being competitive on D finally gives them someone who can guard 1s without being totally abused in the rest of the scheme. You can tell Ime likes this, because he's mostly stapled PP to the bench.

The real story is that Smart and Tatum look like themselves again defensively. It changes everything when your two star wing defenders are actually that, as opposed to theoretically that.
People seem to forget last years team started 8-3 before everything went to shit. This board was all pumped about Jaylen's hot start.

They also went 8-1 to start April and everyone was turning into a believer again. They finished 6-10.
 
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Sorry for the dummy question here, but Potential Assists is new to me in the last couple of weeks. That's passes that lead directly to shots, whether they hit or not, correct?
Yeah, it’s not some amazing stat, but it does give an indication of how guys are moving the ball.

Schroder is at 10.9 a game, Smart 10, Tatum 8.3, Al 5.6, and Jaylen 5.3.
 

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Yeah, it’s not some amazing stat, but it does give an indication of how guys are moving the ball.

Schroder is at 10.9 a game, Smart 10, Tatum 8.3, Al 5.6, and Jaylen 5.3.
It's very helpful, thanks. It adds some context. There may be some value in tracking conversion percentage too, as far as the quality of the potential assist. I'm sure I didn't invent that lol.
 

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Sorry for the dummy question here, but Potential Assists is new to me in the last couple of weeks. That's passes that lead directly to shots, whether they hit or not, correct?
I’d guess it is what would be credited an assist regardless of whether his teammate makes the shot.
 

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I’d guess it is what would be credited an assist regardless of whether his teammate makes the shot.
Its an assist attempt that results in a shot, drive or turnover. Its still subjective but gives credit to the passer and puts the onus on the recipient.
 

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Watching the TSN broadcast last night and they put up Toronto's upcoming schedule and it's absolutely brutal. 7 out of 8 on the road and in Philly tonight after last night's dismantling.

Looking at the C's upcoming dates they have Cleveland on Sunday, a day off in beautiful Cleveland, and then another game in Cleveland on Tuesday. Can't recall that happening too often.

Also, Canada apparently has a pizza chain called Boston Pizza.
 

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Watching the TSN broadcast last night and they put up Toronto's upcoming schedule and it's absolutely brutal. 7 out of 8 on the road and in Philly tonight after last night's dismantling.

Looking at the C's upcoming dates they have Cleveland on Sunday, a day off in beautiful Cleveland, and then another game in Cleveland on Tuesday. Can't recall that happening too often.

Also, Canada apparently has a pizza chain called Boston Pizza.

Yes, during the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals (Bruins v Canucks) they crossed out "Boston" and added "Vancouver" on the ad on the boards in the Canucks's arena.
 

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It's interesting to me how much tighter the whole rotation is this season than last. The bottom ~40%+ of the roster gets pretty much zero playing time. And this is with one of our starters out.
 

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It's interesting to me how much tighter the whole rotation is this season than last. The bottom ~40%+ of the roster gets pretty much zero playing time. And this is with one of our starters out.
Give it time. Hopefully they are healthier this year than they have been the last few.
 

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Sorry for the dummy question here, but Potential Assists is new to me in the last couple of weeks. That's passes that lead directly to shots, whether they hit or not, correct?
NBA.com defines potential assist as: "Any pass to a teammate who shoots within 1 dribble of receiving the ball."

So I guess DS's pass to TL that would have been a dunk except DS threw it at 100 mph is not a potential assist but if JT gets rid of the ball to Smart at the end of the shot clock and Smart puts it up, not only does JT not get a miss but he gets a potential assist!
 

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Do you get a potential assist on an inbound pass to someone who heaves? It's a little different than WBCDs scenario.
 

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But it also seems like a shot attempt is a necessary condition for a potential assist.
Yes. Again its a pass that results in a shot, foul or turnover. I would guess that a heave should count as a shot. It would be consistent with how some players avoid heaves because its deleterious to FG%.
 
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But it also seems like a shot attempt is a necessary condition for a potential assist.
It seems like an ambitious type could then calculate some differential comparing regular FG % by Player X to FG % on passes received from Player Y, then aggregate all those differentials to see if Player Y delivers sweet passes which are easily converted to scores.
 

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It seems like an ambitious type could then calculate some differential comparing regular FG % by Player X to FG % on passes received from Player Y, then aggregate all those differentials to see if Player Y delivers sweet passes which are easily converted to scores.
That's the type of shit that I was thinking of.

Noisy number for sure, but probably somewhat useful over a wide enough sample.
 

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Karalis has a great article about how effective Tatum's passing was against Toronto.

https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/11/11/video-breakdown-jayson-tatums-attacking-makes-him-the-creator-people-have-asked-for

His first three assists of the night were almost identical: Drive from the left side, get into the middle of the paint, kick it into the right corner for a 3-pointer. Toronto over-helps a lot on defense, and Tatum took advantage of that to really suck in the defense and get the ball out to the corner. Each time, just like almost every paint touch ever, the entire defense was focused on Tatum in the lane, which opened up the pass. Side note: Marcus Smart’s hammer screen on the first Romeo Langford 3 was beautiful. And on the second one, the lob threat to Robert Williams gave Langford all the time in the world to shoot.
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But when Tatum is attacking and drawing multiple defenders, he’s actually taking teams away from their defensive strategy. When he drives into the paint, it means he’s beating at least one person off the dribble, and requiring at least one other person to come over and help. Watch how much attention he gets on this beauty of a dime to Smart. Again, Robert Williams demands attention down low. Langford hit a couple of 3-pointers so he demands some attention. Grant Williams and Marcus Smart are the guys to help off of, which Toronto does to try to build a wall against Tatum. That creates this massive cutting lane for Smart.
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There is so much attention there that even when Smart is already under the basket, that huge lane is still there.
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Again, a paint touch that Tatum created drew a lot of attention, giving Williams the chance to come over from the left dunker spot to get an easy basket. Look at how much attention Tatum gets on this.
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2-1 without JB.
3-5 with.

Wonder if the ball movement will stay the same on his return.
I caught 5 minutes of a radio show yesterday that basically said that it's time that we trade Brown because look at how good the Cs are playing without him.

I know that's not what you're saying here.
 

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I caught 5 minutes of a radio show yesterday that basically said that it's time that we trade Brown because look at how good the Cs are playing without him.

I know that's not what you're saying here.
no, but the board has talked about the Tatum/JB duo and the lack of playmaking skills between them.

It's Ewing Theory, the C's are better with JB than without him (and replacing him with no one). There may be some things the C's do better without him, though. Passing may be one. JB is kind of a black hole.
 

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So while it’s true JB is a bit of a black hole, the ball movement has been better when he’s played, though obviously part of that is he’s much more likely to knock down chances than whoever is filling in for him, which raises the assist percentage.

Celtics net rating when Jaylen/Tatum play together is +11.3. They’ve worked together extremely well this season, though it’s obviously a very SSS.
 

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I don't think it's wrong to say that Tatum and Brown kind of play a bit in parallel than together when they are on the court at the same time. It's rare to see both of them really in rhythm concurrently. But I don't think that means they don't play well together -- or can't.

I wasn't as down on this team initially as some guys here -- but I think we're beginning to see some of the payoff. Much like I felt Ime's switching stuff was going to make the defense more dynamic once they figured things out, I felt Tatum's shooting struggles in the first few games were related to them trying to get him to facilitate more and him losing his rhythm a bit in the process. Seeing those videos of him passing out of double and triple teams gets me really, really excited.
 

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My guess is that if the Celtics made Jaylen Brown available today, his market might surprise some of those making the argument that he and Tatum cannot play together. In short, they don't really understand Brown's value. I don't know if they can win together but everything about the league right now suggests that you only move a player with Brown's skillset/control if you absolutely have to do so.
 

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The worries about Jaylen's offensive fit are so weird. Since he made his leap in 2019, the team's been very good with him on that end. Scoring points with Brown+Tatum lineups is not a problem.

Everything about the current roster comes down to getting Smart playing in position on both ends, better defense from Smart and Tatum, and finding some bench help on the wings (JRich and Romeo being decent would go a long way).

Jaylen is overrated on D and a bit spacey there, but he's the least of this team's issues. As DeJesus said, the market for him would be extremely robust.
 

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My guess is that if the Celtics made Jaylen Brown available today, his market might surprise some of those making the argument that he and Tatum cannot play together. In short, they don't really understand Brown's value. I don't know if they can win together but everything about the league right now suggests that you only move a player with Brown's skillset/control if you absolutely have to do so.
Depends why he was made available. He's a top 20-40 player, a Robin or 2nd banana.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading him but it would take quite an offer.

Also the argument isn't that they can't play together. It's that they don't have the Jordan/Pippen, Curry/Thompson, Malone/Stockton dynamic. Their chemistry level would be a C, so to speak.

My intentions also weren't to start a debate about whether the C's are better without him or not. They are clearly better with him (especially when there is no replacement). I was focusing on playmaking and playmaking only.

If you replaced JB, you would need to replace him with someone who can do everything he can do on offense at like 90-95% effectiveness and be a very good to elite playmaker while being a wash on D. Does that player even exist and are they available for Jaylen Brown? Probably not.

The one deal I think I'd do that others would pass on is Barnes and Haliburton for Brown + filler. I'd have to think about it, though. PG of the future and a player that can replace most of Brown's production. Plus I think the team has been one player short for awhile so a 2 for 1 would solve that. The problem is it's a star driven league and Barnes and Haliburton (at least for now) don't have JBs gravity. If it doesn't work out, good luck finding your 2nd star.

That's probably the worst deal anyone would advocate for on this board. I'd trade him for Ingram too but I'm guessing most would pass on that as well. Ingram is the much better play maker and both have the tools to play D but yeah. That's where I'd say his value is though. Right around Ingram, Fox, LaVine,

Long story short, the player you would want in return for Jaylen Brown probably isn't available and will probably end up being a lateral move. It might look a bit better aesthetically though.
 

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The worries about Jaylen's offensive fit are so weird. Since he made his leap in 2019, the team's been very good with him on that end. Scoring points with Brown+Tatum lineups is not a problem.

Everything about the current roster comes down to getting Smart playing in position on both ends, better defense from Smart and Tatum, and finding some bench help on the wings (JRich and Romeo being decent would go a long way).

Jaylen is overrated on D and a bit spacey there, but he's the least of this team's issues. As DeJesus said, the market for him would be extremely robust.
I'm writing off 90% of the trade-Jaylen talk here as do-somethingism. And I get that. This team sucked last year and got off to a slow start this year, so the temptation to "do something"--while kneejerk--is relatable. And credit to SoSH for being smart enough to know that trading Tatum is especially fucking dumb.

However, this talk of Brown-Tatum offensive incompatibility is nonsense. Everyone here would trade Smart plus filler/picks for Brad Beal, and I'm lost as to how he is materially more "compatible" with JT and JB than JB is with JT alone. His assists and ast% is obviously better, but his usage is astronomical. He's an off the dribble player who needs the ball a lot. And I love the guy and am trying to hoodoo that trade into existence myself.

You can't have enough good players, especially long, athletic wings who can shoot and create their own shot. This Ewing theory bullshit is tired, especially with laughably small sample sizes.

Those who want to move Jaylen for a comparable asset who plays a different position, fine. That's a different argument. But a quarter for 2 dimes trade...no thanks.
 

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I think the trade a star for depth concept just doesn't work in the NBA. As someone else mentioned upthread, this is a star league, and you win championships by having the best 5 players on the court. The Celtics need to find another star, not trade one of the two that they have.
 

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I'm writing off 90% of the trade-Jaylen talk here as do-somethingism. And I get that. This team sucked last year and got off to a slow start this year, so the temptation to "do something"--while kneejerk--is relatable. And credit to SoSH for being smart enough to know that trading Tatum is especially fucking dumb.

However, this talk of Brown-Tatum offensive incompatibility is nonsense. Everyone here would trade Smart plus filler/picks for Brad Beal, and I'm lost as to how he is materially more "compatible" with JT and JB than JB is with JT alone. His assists and ast% is obviously better, but his usage is astronomical. He's an off the dribble player who needs the ball a lot. And I love the guy and am trying to hoodoo that trade into existence myself.

You can't have enough good players, especially long, athletic wings who can shoot and create their own shot. This Ewing theory bullshit is tired, especially with laughably small sample sizes.

Those who want to move Jaylen for a comparable asset who plays a different position, fine. That's a different argument. But a quarter for 2 dimes trade...no thanks.
No one is suggesting to move him for 2 dimes. People may differ greatly on what is a comparable asset though. I guess some might consider Barnes and Haliburton 2 dimes, but I'm really high on Haliburton being a quarter within 2 years. I wouldn't trade him for Dame because Dame's window is too short. I wouldn't trade him for Simmons because teams need 2 gravity scorers. Probably wouldn't trade him for Beal either, I'm just not the biggest Beal fan. I'd definitely take Beal for Smart, TL and whatever though.

And Beal is not a good fit with the Jays. He's a pretty bad fit, actually. But if you can acquire Beal (a quarter) for 2 dimes, you do it. You hope that talent beats out fit and most of the time, it does. Plus you have one poster (HRB) actively saying to trade JB for Beal or Simmons, which would make the JT/JB/Beal fit moot. He wants to go with a Tatum/Simmons/Beal core, which is probably better "fit wise." I'm not sure it's any more of a title contender.

Outside of HRB, I don't think anyone is looking to blow it up just for sake of change. I'm probably 2nd on the "trade JB" list and I'm not really looking to trade him. The C's are also not going to trade him. It's a theoretical exercise.

Jaylen Brown isn't going anywhere but he shouldn't be untouchable and there are players who, on paper, look like better fits next to Tatum.

So no, you don't trade Brown for Marcus Smart and Robert Williams. (Some may think this is what Barnes + Haliburton is but I strongly disagree) I'd drive him to the airport for KAT though. He's the only player I see becoming available who is more than a marginal upgrade over Jaylen and has the same window as Tatum.

I think the trade a star for depth concept just doesn't work in the NBA. As someone else mentioned upthread, this is a star league, and you win championships by having the best 5 players on the court. The Celtics need to find another star, not trade one of the two that they have.
It doesn't. If you traded a star for depth, you'd have to get a piece back that you think will turn into a star a few years down the line. The star for depth trades are also always forced by a top 10 player rather than Jaylen Brown. We don't really know the return for 2nd star types as they are rarely moved. I mean, there's the Kyrie trade but that was an awful return.
 

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Jaylen is overrated on D and a bit spacey there, but he's the least of this team's issues. As DeJesus said, the market for him would be extremely robust.
This is probably the larger issue. I think the Tatum/Brown fit stuff is overblown, and if both can be healthy and play to the level they are capable of, the offense isn't going to be a significant issue. If they have a fit issue or if their fit creates roster construction issues, it's more defensively than offensively, given Tatum's decline and Jaylen's sometimes pretty bad defense.

What they need is a defensively-minded bigger wing who can push Tatum/Brown down to easier defensive assignments, which would improve the Celtics floor considerably. I assume that's why Danny was calling about Aaron Gordon last trade deadline. If they had that kind of player, I feel like this narrative would die.
 

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No one is suggesting to move him for 2 dimes. People may differ greatly on what is a comparable asset though. I guess some might consider Barnes and Haliburton 2 dimes, but I'm really high on Haliburton being a quarter within 2 years. I wouldn't trade him for Dame because Dame's window is too short. I wouldn't trade him for Simmons because teams need 2 gravity scorers. Probably wouldn't trade him for Beal either, I'm just not the biggest Beal fan. I'd definitely take Beal for Smart, TL and whatever though.

And Beal is not a good fit with the Jays. He's a pretty bad fit, actually. But if you can acquire Beal (a quarter) for 2 dimes, you do it. You hope that talent beats out fit and most of the time, it does. Plus you have one poster (HRB) actively saying to trade JB for Beal or Simmons, which would make the JT/JB/Beal fit moot. He wants to go with a Tatum/Simmons/Beal core, which is probably better "fit wise." I'm not sure it's any more of a title contender.

Outside of HRB, I don't think anyone is looking to blow it up just for sake of change. I'm probably 2nd on the "trade JB" list and I'm not really looking to trade him. The C's are also not going to trade him. It's a theoretical exercise.

Jaylen Brown isn't going anywhere but he shouldn't be untouchable and there are players who, on paper, look like better fits next to Tatum.

So no, you don't trade Brown for Marcus Smart and Robert Williams. (Some may think this is what Barnes + Haliburton is but I strongly disagree) I'd drive him to the airport for KAT though. He's the only player I see becoming available who is more than a marginal upgrade over Jaylen and has the same window as Tatum.



It doesn't. If you traded a star for depth, you'd have to get a piece back that you think will turn into a star a few years down the line. The star for depth trades are also always forced by a top 10 player rather than Jaylen Brown. We don't really know the return for 2nd star types as they are rarely moved. I mean, there's the Kyrie trade but that was an awful return.
I think that we're pretty much in agreement, like almost completely.

KAT was the guy I had in mind in the "comparable talent, different position" scenario. I think that KAT is soft and that matters. However, I totally get that trade. You're probably improving the club there. KAT is really fucking good. Basically same goes for Dame. Better player, different position...still don't like it, but I understand.

And yes, Haliburton might be a quarter soon. Hell, he probably will be. But Brown is now. So I'm not interested. Nevermind Simmons. Simmons was a quarter and may be again, but he isn't now. Don't like the gamble. Bird in hand.
 

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Semi came into tonight's game with 14 career blocks, and he comes in and blocks Tatum. Was that kind of lackluster half for the Celtics against the Giannis-free Bucks.

Also, at end of half, Schroder leads the C's with 15 points on 6-15 shooting. Also leads the team in missed shots (9), threes attempted (6) and missed (4), and turnovers (3). How many assists? Zero. I remain on Team Marcus. Looking forward to Jaylen's return and Schoder seeing fewer minutes.
 

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Mixed results aside, Ime has the style and emphasis that seems like a fit for the league as currently officiated. I had read about the rule/emphasis changes during the off-season, but severely underestimated the amount they would let players battle.

May take acclimation by many, but it seems like a hard-nosed, defensive-minded coach is best for this incarnation of the league. A d’antoni type would likely have a much harder time adjusting.
 

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Mixed results aside, Ime has the style and emphasis that seems like a fit for the league as currently officiated. I had read about the rule/emphasis changes during the off-season, but severely underestimated the amount they would let players battle.

May take acclimation by many, but it seems like a hard-nosed, defensive-minded coach is best for this incarnation of the league. A d’antoni type would likely have a much harder time adjusting.
This is a fantastic observation. Partly because of Udoka's defensive rep, but also because he doesn't have a "system" burned in over 20 years of coaching in the league. He is probably thrown by the new rules less than most.
 

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This is a fantastic observation. Partly because of Udoka's defensive rep, but also because he doesn't have a "system" burned in over 20 years of coaching in the league. He is probably thrown by the new rules less than most.
unfortunately, it looks like he's going to burn out his players over 20 games of coaching in the league.

I'm kind of joking and think that will change within the next 6-8 games, but I'm kind of serious too. His rotations give me Thibs vibes. Comparison is about heavy usage only.
 

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Didn't watch , and another win (you're welcome) My kid made his college debut (0-1 2 reb, 1 steal in 3 minutes)
Can anybody explain why Tatum has been so inefficient?