All-Star Break fun: USA vs The World lineups

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Suppose the NBA arranges a charity match, USA vs The World. Most such games don't have the full NBA player pool available, but imagine we do. Pick your lineups, and who do you think wins? What might seem like a ludicrous question a decade ago has become a real debate, as arguably 3 of the best 4 players in the league are international now.

For me (and including current DARKO DPM numbers):

USA starters:
- Curry (4.9)
- Mitchell (4.2)
- Lebron (4.6)
- Tatum (5.2)
- Davis (2.7)

USA bench:
- Morant (2.4)
- Irving (3.9)
- Durant (4.6)
- George (4.7)
- Williamson (2.1)
Apologies: Leonard, Booker, Lillard, Bridges, Adebayo, Harden, Holiday, Jaylen...

World starters:
- Doncic (3.9)
- Simmons (0.4)
- Giannis (5.8)
- Siakam (2.7)
- Jokic (6.2)

World bench:
- SGA (2.4)
- Murray (2.5)
- Sabonis (1.6)
- Towns (3.1)
- Embiid (5.8)
Apologies: Gobert, Batum, Porzingis, Okogie

On the one hand: What the hell kind of team brings Kevin Durant off the bench? That's depth. On the other, the World Starters are insane, and if you can figure out how to play Giannis, Embiid and Jokic on the court together, the USA might never score in the paint.

The first thing I think about are weaknesses. For USA: Curry's defense (and Irving's, when he's in), Zion's fit with a modern center scheme that requires mobility and passing vision. USA is also small; they don't really have anyone except Zion who can bang with the likes of Embiid and Jokic in the post (I threw in Davis over Leonard mostly for this). For World, they need some mobility on defense, given Doncic but also Embiid, and they have some players you don't have to respect the 3 on. And, uh, Ben Simmons' shooting. I didn't think Doncic and SGA would play that well together (being as they are #2 and #9 in usage rate), so despite throwing up in my mouth a little bit, I started Ben Simmons. Come at me. You at least know he can guard 1-5 and will bring the intensity on D, and won't use a lot of possessions on a very ball-dominant lineup, they don't need him to score. World's passing skills 1-5 are insane.

I think USA barely edges World on the strength of outside shooting, but if there's an off day on the 3 ball, World can absolutely take it. And the already-narrow edge decreases the more time that World gets to practice and learn to play as a team.
 

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Simmons wouldn't be on Team World at all, let alone a starter.
 

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Yup

I'd start
Doncic (defending Mitchell)
SGA (defending Curry)
Giannis (defending Tatum)
Jokic (defending AD)
Embiid (defending Lebron)
 

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Yea I think i would quibble with the international selections. Simmons is definitely out. Would probably replace him with OG or Markkanen
 

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I'd counter any really BIG World lineup with Curry/Tatum/LBJ/Durant + whichever wing fits best. He's not on the list above but Klay comes to mind as the floor spacer with decent size this lineup could use and who doesn't need the ball.

I don't think there is any permutation of basketball players on the planet that could stop a unit like that over 7 games and the likes of Jokic/Embiid/Doncic would be absolutely dragging trying to keep up.
 
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Markkanen is probably the worst snub by far, and I would rather have Ayton or Wiggins or pretty much anyone with an international passport instead of Simmons.

Also Embiid has shown only tepid interest in representing his birth country, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him on Team USA in the near future.
 

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KAT is an American, despite his appearance on the Dominican National team as a 16 year old. He could be helpful if the height of the World team became a problem.

The World team would crush the US team in 1990s style basketball, but in the three point era, they’d have a problem.
 

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Thank you for starting this. Great choices overall too.

U.S.
  • I'd be starting PG13 over Mitchell. More facilitation, more length. Not a big issue with Mitchell choice there though.
  • Would swap out Zion for Lillard or Adebayo. Honestly would probably swap out Kyrie and Zion for Lillard AND Adebayo, the latter because "AD as only Big" is probably a terrible idea even in this format
World
  • Simmons doesn't belong. The defense is nice enough, but he's not a top-20 player in the world. He's a slow-motion car crash. I still don't know if Lauri is for real or not, but he's an improvement. So is Wiggins. Moops dropped OG, who would also be a better choice. Hell, I'd rather have Ricky Rubio if I were coaching that team. My vote: Markkanen, because you need the shooting and can live with his junk defense with the super long folks you got out there.
  • Great job resisting the impulse to put Towns or Embiid in that starting lineup. Rolling those guys in waves off the bench will be gross.
  • As big of a fan of Sabonis as I am, this team has too many bigs. I'm swapping him out for Anunoby.
I think that the World wins a best of seven in 6 games.

edit: if Towns doesn't qualify for the World team, keep Sabonis when you add Anunoby. I'd still rather have Adebayo on the US team because Towns is soft, but I could live with Towns as Zion replacement instead.
 
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If we are picking ANY international players (or do this draft next year) Victor Wembanyama may make the team.
Yeah, that's gonna be a lot of fun. We just have no idea yet how Wembanyama would look playing against NBA all-stars for 15 minutes in a game like this, so it seemed to make the hypothetical even harder to think about. But this time next year it might be really interesting to wonder what kind of role you could put him into, or how he'd change the team's rotation.


I welcome everyone's hatred on the Simmons selection, it felt ridiculous even typing it. I do still think I'd rather have SGA leading a second unit than trying to share possessions with Doncic, and I couldn't come up with any obvious guards to pair Luka with. World is frontcourt-heavy and backcourt-light. But those of you suggesting OG Anunoby probably have the best of it, I'll buy that.

There's also an argument to start SGA over Luka, mainly because nobody else on the roster could plausibly chase Curry around the floor, and you need to limit the damage.

Markkanen is a great player, but I'm not sure how you take a good-shooting, bad-defending big and decide he's what the World team needs more of. Who do you push out to take him? If you're swapping bigs, wouldn't you take Gobert before you'd take Markkanen? Or a healthy Porzingis, who gives you that shooting but also a post presence?
 

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The World team would crush the US team in 1990s style basketball, but in the three point era, they’d have a problem.
This is very ironic given that the influx of European players over the past 20-30 years has played a major role in shifting the game away from the 90s style and into a game more focused on three point shooting, do-it-all big men and passing.
 

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Hot take: I wouldn't have LeBron on the team because I think at this stage of his career he forces you to play a certain style and doesn't bring anything to the table that you REALLY need (we'll have enough scoring and playmaking regardless) is a questionable outside shooter and takes a bunch of defensive plays off.
 

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Kyrie could replace Simmons on the World team having been born in Australia. Poor Ben.
 

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Kyrie could replace Simmons on the World team having been born in Australia. Poor Ben.
Kyrie doesn't understand why we need to create divisions between people, national divisions, the USA versus the world, humans against humans. He'd be game if it was Team Cosmic Love versus the Israeli national team, though.