Alex Cora-- what do we have here? Perhaps the best manager in baseball.

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He was on bereavement leave. I never saw any additional information on the situation.
Was going to say the same thing. No details have been released as far as I know.
It was Aug 11 to Aug 14 per the MLB site. He played in games on the 10th and on the 14th.

Maybe someone can run some before/after splits to see if anything there? With the caveat that if something tragic was slow in coming, it may have had an earlier impact on him.
 

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He's not going to be prime Eck / Koji forever, but as alluded to upthread, add this to Houck in the pen, add in a better Barnes, and the Sox have something there.
Barnes is out pitching his career averages in basically every meaningful rate stat except HR/9 this year. I'm not sure how much better we can ask him to be. It's possible he just isn't good enough for the 9th inning.
 

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Barnes is out pitching his career averages in basically every meaningful rate stat except HR/9 this year. I'm not sure how much better we can ask him to be. It's possible he just isn't good enough for the 9th inning.
I just mean better than the 16 ERA guy he has been in August or whatever. Average career Barnes if you will. Not dominant stud closer.
 

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It was Aug 11 to Aug 14 per the MLB site. He played in games on the 10th and on the 14th.

Maybe someone can run some before/after splits to see if anything there? With the caveat that if something tragic was slow in coming, it may have had an earlier impact on him.
He's been consistently mediocre all year. His OPS high for a month was .679, his low was .595.

Up to 8/10: .254/.303/.336 on a .306 BAbip in 370 PA, 23bb/70k.
8/14 and beyond: . 286/.375/.449 on a .293 BAbip in 57 PA, 7bb/6k.
Not including his last game: .244/.346/.356 on a .256 BAbip in 53 PA, 7bb/5k.

So he's been a little better of late.
 

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He's been consistently mediocre all year. His OPS high for a month was .679, his low was .595.

Up to 8/10: .254/.303/.336 on a .306 BAbip in 370 PA, 23bb/70k.
8/14 and beyond: . 286/.375/.449 on a .293 BAbip in 57 PA, 7bb/6k.
Not including his last game: .244/.346/.356 on a .256 BAbip in 53 PA, 7bb/5k.

So he's been a little better of late.
If Vaz was defensively even close to as good as his reputation the team could live with that
 

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I wouldn't go that far. ;)

Seriously though, there are only 5 starters, and while they didn't have to call up Sale/Houck, it's the blindingly obvious thing to do. Also, they didn't have to DFA Richards when they could DFA/option the most marginal bullpen guys. You pretty much have to see if he works out in the pen before you cut him (and his affordably priced starter's option for next year.) So - no brainers.

I will, however, give Cora full credit and kudos for using only Richards for 3 innings last night.

Richards was brought in with men on base, so he had already warmed up and logged an inning's worth of pitches. So even though they were up by 4 runs, there's no clear call to put in a scrubish guy, then maybe have to go to a third relief pitcher (Whitlock?) to clean up a mess and eek out a win. (If they were up 5 or 6, maybe you do it and so take Richards out after 10ish pitches.)

But, leaving Ricards in gave a day off for the rest of the pen, and secured a victory against a division rival. The trade-off is not having a good bullpen piece available for a couple of days. But that's worth it. There's also the psychological impact - Richards really delivered here, and I have to think that might be a good motivator for him in his new role. (Eck speculated on that a bit.)

While this isn't an example of creative brilliance, it's solid bullpen management, and that's not to be dismissed.
I agree with all of this. It's not as though Cora decided that Richards was better suited for a bullpen role. He was the worst starter and the obvious demotion when Sale was ready. That Richards is blossoming in the role is a happy accident more than according to plan.

But now that he is showing to be effective, take advantage of his being stretched out for starter-level innings and ride him for 2+ when he's rolling. Seems like that's an ideal role for him, and not dissimilar to how they have used Whitlock. If they can get a 2-3 inning "closer" outing out of each of those guys every few days, that's 2-3 games a week where they don't necessarily have to use four other guys. It may not be a sustainable model for a full 162, but with the expanded roster and a limited number of games left, it might be the most efficient use of resources.
 

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He's been consistently mediocre all year. His OPS high for a month was .679, his low was .595.

Up to 8/10: .254/.303/.336 on a .306 BAbip in 370 PA, 23bb/70k.
8/14 and beyond: . 286/.375/.449 on a .293 BAbip in 57 PA, 7bb/6k.
Not including his last game: .244/.346/.356 on a .256 BAbip in 53 PA, 7bb/5k.

So he's been a little better of late.
It wasn't the hitting that was a problem. That's mostly quick reaction anyway. It was the dumb/lazy mistakes in the game that might make you think he was distracted. Forgetting the number of outs, running into outs, and the effortless tag all made it seem like his head wasn't at all in the game.
 

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One thing I seem to recall about Zunino is his switching stances depending on the situation. I'll never understand why (assuming the current vogue of the "pitch-framing stance") one would sacrifice pitch blocking or throwing to 2B regardless of the actual game condition. Obviously having a runner on 1st or 3rd should enter into the decision - including who's pitching. I blame the coaching staff for this.
 

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I agree with all of this. It's not as though Cora decided that Richards was better suited for a bullpen role. He was the worst starter and the obvious demotion when Sale was ready. That Richards is blossoming in the role is a happy accident more than according to plan.

But now that he is showing to be effective, take advantage of his being stretched out for starter-level innings and ride him for 2+ when he's rolling. Seems like that's an ideal role for him, and not dissimilar to how they have used Whitlock. If they can get a 2-3 inning "closer" outing out of each of those guys every few days, that's 2-3 games a week where they don't necessarily have to use four other guys. It may not be a sustainable model for a full 162, but with the expanded roster and a limited number of games left, it might be the most efficient use of resources.
Totally, Richards performance in the pen is a happy accident; though long baseball seasons are full of them, and I'm glad Cora is taking advantage of the serendipity (or, perhaps, he's being forced given the decimated roster). Great. This is part of sports ... performances waxing and waning in unexpected ways, and adjusting player usage accordingly ... I always find Cora slow to react to these vicissitudes, but eventually he comes around. The present crisis is maybe forcing him to act faster than he normally does.
As was pointed out in and around these threads: with Richards emergence and Houck able to join the pen should they make it to October, the pen might well look real nice in October, albeit half reconstructed from just a months ago.
Amazing, strange, often uncomfortable season: nowhere to fix your perception. As I've said before, huge range for this team IMO: from missing the playoffs to a deep post season run ...if they can play even .500 ball the next 10 days (tough schedule guys missing), they go into the back half of the month at full strength and with an easy schedule ....
 

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Half this board wanted Richards released outright a month ago, so it isn't entirely a lucky accident that he's now saving the bullpen. It also sounds like he has reinvented himself, so they probably had at least some idea that this was possible with his current slider.
 

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I don't see the first half of your sentence and the second half of your sentence having anything to do with each other.
A month ago either sending him to the pen or releasing him seemed like viable options. Cora (and or Bloom) decided it was worth keeping him around and using him rather than cut him loose.
 

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A month ago either sending him to the pen or releasing him seemed like viable options. Cora (and or Bloom) decided it was worth keeping him around and using him rather than cut him loose.
Sure, but just because people here were clamoring for his release, it doesn't mean that the organization ever seriously considered it before seeing what he could do in the bullpen. Same as Perez. Perez just hasn't been a lucky accident thus far.
 

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At some point Cora has got to take some blame for this team's constant sloppiness. Today's game was given away because Vasquez couldn't get a bunt down and multiple defensive plays were butchered. Cora cannot keep having press conferences where he shakes his head and says how the team needs to start playing better without putting some blame on himself.

Either pull the guys who can't make the plays or make them practice until they get it right.
 

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I think it’s legitimate to ask the question about whether he should be the manager next year. I absolutely loved the hire/re-hire, but it isn’t working anymore. Having Motter lead off today, the strange pitching decisions and the lack of accountability indicate to me that he is no longer the man for the job.
 

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I think it’s legitimate to ask the question about whether he should be the manager next year. I absolutely loved the hire/re-hire, but it isn’t working anymore. Having Motter lead off today, the strange pitching decisions and the lack of accountability indicate to me that he is no longer the man for the job.
At this point it almost looks like he doesn't want to be back.
 

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I think it’s legitimate to ask the question about whether he should be the manager next year. I absolutely loved the hire/re-hire, but it isn’t working anymore. Having Motter lead off today, the strange pitching decisions and the lack of accountability indicate to me that he is no longer the man for the job.
If Verdugo catches that ball it didn’t really matter.
 

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Maybe some kind of compromise where Cora returns but there are significant changes to his coaching staff. A more experienced bench coach than Will Venable.
 

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I think it’s legitimate to ask the question about whether he should be the manager next year. I absolutely loved the hire/re-hire, but it isn’t working anymore. Having Motter lead off today, the strange pitching decisions and the lack of accountability indicate to me that he is no longer the man for the job.
The Motter hitting lead off didn't really bother me. Motter has hit lefties well this season (albeit in AAA), and he did go 2 for 5 with a RBI and 2 runs scored. The only other spot he'd have likely hit was ninth, so it really only affected the first inning.
 

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Which is why Dave Stapleton should have been in as a defensive replaecement.
Bleh ... if McNamara had given Gedman a blow at any time during the postseason, maybe he reacts better to Stanley's pitch, Knight stays at first and Mookie's grounder is easily gobbled up by Buckner, who would be holding him on
 

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I think it’s legitimate to ask the question about whether he should be the manager next year. I absolutely loved the hire/re-hire, but it isn’t working anymore. Having Motter lead off today, the strange pitching decisions and the lack of accountability indicate to me that he is no longer the man for the job.
We scored 10 runs. I don't think lineup composition was a real issue. I'm frustrated as hell with the performance art tribute to my little league team's defensive pantshitting, but he can't bench guys and field a winning team the way this roster is constructed right now. We're all shitting on Verdudo because he lost a ball in the sun in CF today. HE'S NOT A CENTER FIELDER!!!

I will say that I thought the Vaz bunt was fucking atrocious game management. That said, the players are responsible for being professional baseball players capable of executing things professional baseball players are supposed to be able to do. Vaz failed miserably.

Cora is 100% not getting fired; the FO made roster decisions with 2022 in mind, and I'm sure Chaim isn't super fired up about firing his first manager hire in a year we outperformed pre-season expectations in the midst of a team-wide case of the black plague. All that said, I would expect AC to be on the proverbial hotseat in 2022 if the team fails at doing baseball things.
 

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Bleh ... if McNamara had given Gedman a blow at any time during the postseason, maybe he reacts better to Stanley's pitch, Knight stays at first and Mookie's grounder is easily gobbled up by Buckner, who would be holding him on
Too soon, man.
 

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Until game 6, Schiraldi had this pitching line in the playoffs: 7.0 ip, 5 h, 2 r, 1 er, 4 bb, 10 k, 1.29 era, 1.29 whip, 12.9 k/9

So he had been really good. But man, the wheels came off in game 6, and followed in game 7.

G6: 2.2 ip, 4 h, 4 r, 3 er, 2 bb, 1 k
G7: 0.1 ip, 3 h, 3 r, 3 er, 0 bb, 0 k
TOT: 3.0 ip, 7 h, 7 r, 6 er, 2 bb, 1 k, 18.00 era, 3.00 whip, 3.0 k/9

We always think about the inning of doom, but Boston held a 3-2 lead going into the 8th in game 6. Schiraldi was called upon - and again, he had been really good in the playoffs til this point - and he gave up a single to Mazzilli on a grounder through the hole between 1st and 2nd (when these days a shift would have eaten that up). Then Dykstra sacrificed right back to Schiraldi who made a terrible throw to second instead of getting the easy out at first. So instead of a runner at 2nd with one out, the Mets had runners at 1st and 2nd with nobody out. Then Backman successfully sacrificed, moving both runners over, and they walked Hernandez intentionally. So bases loaded with one out. Then suddenly Schiraldi couldn't find the zone, throwing three straight pitches out of the zone, with none being particularly close. Not wanting (obviously) to walk in the tying run, he had to throw a strike and Carter knew it. So Schiraldi threw a fastball at the knees that Carter (who led the league in SF that year) lined to left for a sac fly to tie the game.

A weak grounder through the hole, a terrible play by Schiraldi, and then his inability to find the strike zone allowed the Mets to tie the game. He had thrown 2 innings in two of his previous 4 postseason outings, and in 15 of his 25 appearances during the season, so this was nothing new. Moreover, he hadn't pitched in a week, so rest wasn't an issue. Rust may have been, but not rest.

He just came in and didn't do the job. UGH.
 

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The Motter hitting lead off didn't really bother me. Motter has hit lefties well this season (albeit in AAA), and he did go 2 for 5 with a RBI and 2 runs scored. The only other spot he'd have likely hit was ninth, so it really only affected the first inning.
I also suspect that the FO works with Cora on the lineups, so I tend not to blame Cora for those.

But Cora is responsible for allowing this team to engage in sloppy play without any ramifications for months now.

I'll add that I'm curious what efforts Cora put into making sure the team was observing all the required COVID protocols. I believe he said last week that the team had gotten lax. If that's the case, it's another mark against him.

I feel a little crazy coming down this hard on a manager who has a team I expected to finish around .500 this year in line for a playoff berth, but the lack of discipline in all facets is growing disturbing.
 

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Regurgitating my game thread, apologies for redundancy if you already saw this, but:

The only Cora move I didn't like was pinch hitting for Dalbec. Though that had a good result with the Shaw bloop double. Then, I didn't like pinch running for Shaw, because that meant, if the game went into extras, degrading the defense and the offense with Cordero. I looked at the line up going into bottom of the tenth and I SWEAR i knew before the half inning began we'd see the Cordero spot come up with the bases loaded, two outs and the game on the line. So, your options there are Cordero, or pinch hitting Plawecki, rather than having Dalbec - one of the hottest hitters in baseball - still in the game and up at the plate with the game on the line.

Also, of course the game turned on horrendous horrendous D - a new low for a team that's been bad all year. Now, this is in large part because the team is depleted by COVID, and some of it is about talent, too. But much of it is sloppy and stupid, and that, to some degree is on Cora. I like Cora as a persona, but am souring on him as a manager ....

EDIT: I do understand pinch running down by a run in the 9th, of course - anything to get the chance to at least extend the game - it's imperative. But pulling key players to pinch run in a tie in the 9th is a tricky proposition and may well come back to bite.
 

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I also suspect that the FO works with Cora on the lineups, so I tend not to blame Cora for those.

But Cora is responsible for allowing this team to engage in sloppy play without any ramifications for months now.

I'll add that I'm curious what efforts Cora put into making sure the team was observing all the required COVID protocols. I believe he said last week that the team had gotten lax. If that's the case, it's another mark against him.

I feel a little crazy coming down this hard on a manager who has a team I expected to finish around .500 this year in line for a playoff berth, but the lack of discipline in all facets is growing disturbing.
This.

The teams repeated mental mistakes and inability to do fundamental things consistently well is on Cora. Baseball is a long season and Cora is good at understanding that which means not overreacting, but at some point it’s too much. Renfroe not backing up center on the inside the park home run today was inexcusable, Cora needs to take action on that.
 

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This.

The teams repeated mental mistakes and inability to do fundamental things consistently well is on Cora. Baseball is a long season and Cora is good at understanding that which means not overreacting, but at some point it’s too much. Renfroe not backing up center on the inside the park home run today was inexcusable, Cora needs to take action on that.
I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily. But suppose Cora "takes action" by sitting Renfroe - one of the team's best hitters and overall players - today. How will people react? Will it be:

(A) "Good job disciplining him even if his absence costs us today's game too."
or
(B) "How can Cora bench one of the best players in the heat of the pennant race, in a critical game against the Rays, while even more teams are bearing down on the Sox?"

Moreover, fan reaction aside, which choice (benching him or playing him) gives the Sox the better chance to win today, do you think?
 

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I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily. But suppose Cora "takes action" by sitting Renfroe - one of the team's best hitters and overall players - today. How will people react? Will it be:

(A) "Good job disciplining him even if his absence costs us today's game too."
or
(B) "How can Cora bench one of the best players in the heat of the pennant race, in a critical game against the Rays, while even more teams are bearing down on the Sox?"

Moreover, fan reaction aside, which choice (benching him or playing him) gives the Sox the better chance to win today, do you think?
Renfroe might be a bad example for this but Vazquez is not. He has been repeatedly making unforced mental and physical errors. Never mind the bunt yesterday, he's been poor on the basepaths and has been dropping throws home. He is the very first player I would bench and I would make it semi-permanent.

Cora's issue is that he says they need to play better but never holds the players accountable. The same players will be in the lineup tomorrow making the same unexcusable mistakes and he'll sigh in the post-game presser, say they need to play better, and do nothing about it.

As an aside, while I know his hands were tied with Hernandez being out but there's no reason Cora should ever play Verdugo in CF again.
 

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Renfroe might be a bad example for this but Vazquez is not. He has been repeatedly making unforced mental and physical errors. Never mind the bunt yesterday, he's been poor on the basepaths and has been dropping throws home. He is the very first player I would bench and I would make it semi-permanent.

Cora's issue is that he says they need to play better but never holds the players accountable. The same players will be in the lineup tomorrow making the same unexcusable mistakes and he'll sigh in the post-game presser, say they need to play better, and do nothing about it.

As an aside, while I know his hands were tied with Hernandez being out but there's no reason Cora should ever play Verdugo in CF again.
Right - so you bench Vazquez because he's been stinking up the joint, but you don't bench Renfroe for his errors because he's been one of the team's best players.

So the lesson the players learn is....what, exactly? Not "if you make a mental error you're facing consequences". It's "don't suck because if you do, you'll be on the bench". Which most players understand is the reality anyway.
 

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Right - so you bench Vazquez because he's been stinking up the joint, but you don't bench Renfroe for his errors because he's been one of the team's best players.

So the lesson the players learn is....what, exactly? Not "if you make a mental error you're facing consequences". It's "don't suck because if you do, you'll be on the bench". Which most players understand is the reality anyway.
No, you bench Vazquez because he's been screwing up for 3 solid months now while Renfroe only had a bad game.
 

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No, you bench Vazquez because he's been screwing up for 3 solid months now while Renfroe only had a bad game.
Renfroe has made plenty of mistakes. He's got 9 errors, which is a lot for an outfielder. He's made base running blunders. He's been one of their best players, but he's made his share of boneheaded plays.
 

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Renfroe has made plenty of mistakes. He's got 9 errors, which is a lot for an outfielder. He's made base running blunders. He's been one of their best players, but he's made his share of boneheaded plays.
I suppose the question is have the mistakes been mental or physical. For example, Vazquez costing the Sox a run (and the game) the other week because he forgot how many outs there were and didn't run while on the bases is a stupid mental error. His numerous lapses in concentration have been ongoing and reflect that his head is, quite frankly, up his ass most of the time. Renfroe's errors are annoying as it his propensity to show off his arm at any opportunity, but they are not reflective of a player who is not paying attention to the game.
 

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The accountability should match the root cause of the issue. If the errors are mental, the player, no matter who, should perform extra drills in practice to account for those errors. For example, hold extra drills of covering each other in the outfield. If the errors are physical, maybe that means forced days of rest or extra conditioning. Base-running drills should be daily at this point.
Maybe all of this is already occurring, but it seems doubtful given the continued similar errors.
 

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Renfroe might be a bad example for this but Vazquez is not. He has been repeatedly making unforced mental and physical errors. Never mind the bunt yesterday, he's been poor on the basepaths and has been dropping throws home. He is the very first player I would bench and I would make it semi-permanent.

Cora's issue is that he says they need to play better but never holds the players accountable. The same players will be in the lineup tomorrow making the same unexcusable mistakes and he'll sigh in the post-game presser, say they need to play better, and do nothing about it.

As an aside, while I know his hands were tied with Hernandez being out but there's no reason Cora should ever play Verdugo in CF again.
I hold Vazquez accountable for Austin Meadow's inside-the-park home run yesterday. Could a better CF caught that fly ball? Probably. But it was very solidly hit. It seemed as if Meadows was expecting a FB and sitting on it, didn't it? Not surprising considering that Vazquez called for 8 straight FBs in that at bat, all thrown between 96.5 and 99.4 mph. Any MLB hitter at present can hit a FB, even quality ones like Whitlock's when they know what is coming. Hence the solidly hit ball off the wall in CF.
Initially, I hold Vazquez responsible for this pitching "sequence", especially with a rookie pitcher on the mound, but this responsibility can also be shared with the pitching staff: pitching coach, Varitek and manager.
It is not the first time I have noticed that Vazquez falls into trends while calling for pitches.
 

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I hold Vazquez accountable for Austin Meadow's inside-the-park home run yesterday. Could a better CF caught that fly ball? Probably. But it was very solidly hit. It seemed as if Meadows was expecting a FB and sitting on it, didn't it? Not surprising considering that Vazquez called for 8 straight FBs in that at bat, all thrown between 96.5 and 99.4 mph. Any MLB hitter at present can hit a FB, even quality ones like Whitlock's when they know what is coming. Hence the solidly hit ball off the wall in CF.
Initially, I hold Vazquez responsible for this pitching "sequence", especially with a rookie pitcher on the mound, but this responsibility can also be shared with the pitching staff: pitching coach, Varitek and manager.
It is not the first time I have noticed that Vazquez falls into trends while calling for pitches.
I don't think any centerfielder not named Jackie Bradley Jr had much chance of catching Meadow's ball. I do think a better centerfielder might have recognized that they weren't catching it, backed off and played it off the wall for a double instead. That was a triple as soon as Verdugo tried to make the catch. It became a HR when Iglesias bobbled then airmailed the throw. Renfroe I'm not going to come down too hard on if he truly didn't see the ball and where it went because of the sun. It's not like he never arrived, he just got a late jump and Iglesias beat him there. Renfroe does make some poor throwing decisions and misses cut-off men a bunch. He should be held accountable for that, but not necessarily that inside the parker.

Vazquez does need to sit more. He's started 105 games and played 118 of the team's 140 total games. That's a huge load for a catcher and he's obviously wearing down (and has been for weeks/months). Plawecki is competent enough to be playing more than once a week, and he's been hitting well enough to justify more play (and not just at DH).
 

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The accountability should match the root cause of the issue. If the errors are mental, the player, no matter who, should perform extra drills in practice to account for those errors. For example, hold extra drills of covering each other in the outfield. If the errors are physical, maybe that means forced days of rest or extra conditioning. Base-running drills should be daily at this point.
Maybe all of this is already occurring, but it seems doubtful given the continued similar errors.
That sounds more like stuff they should be giving more attention to in spring training next year.

This team is in the latter part of what for all of them must feel like the longest season any of these players have ever experienced after last year's abbreviated one. This team is also stretched beyond all reasonable expectations given all the depletions they've suffered due to COVID, which has caused players to be shifted to unfamiliar positions and play next to new teammates on a roster that seems to be in constant churn over the past two weeks. I doubt Alex Cora is, OR ANY GOOD MLB MANAGER would be, asking this team to run extra drills at this point in the season, because that's more likely to result in a tired, listless team than a sharper one.
 

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I suppose the question is have the mistakes been mental or physical. For example, Vazquez costing the Sox a run (and the game) the other week because he forgot how many outs there were and didn't run while on the bases is a stupid mental error. His numerous lapses in concentration have been ongoing and reflect that his head is, quite frankly, up his ass most of the time. Renfroe's errors are annoying as it his propensity to show off his arm at any opportunity, but they are not reflective of a player who is not paying attention to the game.
The MFYs sat Sanchez (who can actually hit the ball hard once in a while) for a couple of weeks in favor of their shitty backup. The Sox could do the same with Vazquez who rarely makes hard contact.
 

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This team is in the latter part of what for all of them must feel like the longest season any of these players have ever experienced after last year's abbreviated one.
Vazquez does need to sit more. He's started 105 games and played 118 of the team's 140 total games. That's a huge load for a catcher and he's obviously wearing down (and has been for weeks/months). Plawecki is competent enough to be playing more than once a week, and he's been hitting well enough to justify more play (and not just at DH).
Well, as of today, Alex marathon-not-a-sprint Cora, has managed his way to this:

Vazquez: 921 innings at catcher. 113 games at catcher. (Plus 5 DH/various, for 118 total games.) 404 ABs for a 75 OPS+
Perez: 884. 108. (30 DH for 138.) 524 for 129.
Maldonado: 853. 101. (103 total.) 319 for 59.
Molina: 855. 101. (104 total.) 377 for 83.
Smith: 842. 98. (111.) 355 for 137.
Realmuto: 829. 101. (111 total.) 393 for 116.
Murphy: 826. 100. (107 total.) 325 for 102.
 
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I think Tom Kelly with the Twins was known for doing full infield drills pretty much all season.
 

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I think Tom Kelly with the Twins was known for doing full infield drills pretty much all season.
Well it’s hardly like Tom Kelly ever won anything….wait a minute.

In all seriousness this can be over-emphasized but at the same time given how wretched the team’s defense has been, extra defensive drills could hardly hurt them.
 

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I have wondered whether the Sox take infield or outfield before games. It really bothered me when Verdugo lost the flyball in the sun yesterday. He is not a natural centerfielder and may not have played a lot of day games in center at Fenway. Now we don’t know whether he did or didn’t but shoukdnt he have prepared for the game by taking 10 minutes of fly balls in center and try to deal with the sun, so it is not a case of first impression during the game. Take 10 fly balls, 10 line drives. Go back on some, and In on another’s, see if the sun is different on a fly ball off the bat of a lefty vs righty. Is the sun worse in direct fly balls or ones to right center or left center. Try out the shades to see when you do or don’t need them. Again this is 10 minutes. Do these guys prepare for this type of stuff?
 

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In general I have been fine with his game management and strategy, aside from some strange choices in the leadoff spot. We don’t know whether or not he holds players accountable in private, eg for all the miscues in recent weeks; he is not going to throw anyone under the bus in a press conference, nor would most of us want him to do so.

That said, the frequent sloppiness we have witnessed speaks to a lack of preparedness…somewhat reminiscent of the start of the 2019 season. That is the responsibility of the manager and the coaching staff.

Verdugo losing a ball in the sun is one thing, but his needing more reps in handling balls up against the wall is another. Of course the player is responsible, but so is the coaching staff.