ALDS vs. MFY—Buckle Up

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I’m not ready to call it a curse just yet....but the MF Yankees haven’t won a postseason game since Judge played Sinatra when leaving Fenway.
 

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Man, I'm glad that series is over, but I was just going through the thread and wanted to say that this sounds awesome, BaseballJones. I don't know the first thing about turning it into a real game, but I spend a lot of time in the Board Game thread in P&G, and @RobD might be able to point you in the right direction (I hope he doesn't mind me linking his name here).

Mine is a percentage based dice game. I obviously had to be the manager of both teams but tried to be realistic in the decisions I made. It's a little hard to describe here, but I took the player stats and plotted them out over 1,000 plate appearances. Using three ten-sided dice (red, white, and blue), a player card looks like this:

Betts
HR 052
3b 060
2b 137
1b 293
BB 425
HBP 438
K 586
G 715
F 000

So roll the three dice. Red 2, White 7, Blue 1 = 271. 271 fits between the 137 and 293 on Betts' card, and therefore that's a single. I then have a separate chart indicating where the single lands and whether it's a soft single or a hard single. That matters, obviously, if you have a runner at second say, and the difference between hitting a hard single to left or a soft single to right center is the difference between scoring that runner from second or not. Also a separate chart indicating where grounders and flies/pops go.

Here's Devers playing card, to see how different it is from Betts

Devers
HR 043
3b 043 (meaning that his card cannot produce a triple; more on that in a moment)
2b 092
1b 220
BB 298
HBP 298
K 545
G 766
F 000

That same 271 roll for Devers is a walk instead of a single for Betts. A roll of 050 is a homer for Betts but a double for Devers. A roll of 393 is a walk for Betts and a strikeout for Devers.

Now, you see that the HR and 3b numbers (as well as BB/HBP) are the same. That means that you can't roll a triple on Devers' card (nor can you roll a HBP). That's because Devers had zero triples and zero HBP this year. In order for you to get a triple for Devers, it has to be rolled on the pitcher's card. Here are two pitchers' cards.

Sale
HR 018
3b 023
2b 058
1b 165
BB 220
HBP 243
K 627
G 780
F 000

Pomeranz
HR 035
3b 038
2b 102
1b 253
BB 381
HBP 392
K 584
G 784
F 000

So a 355 roll is a strikeout for Sale and a walk for Pomeranz. A 247 roll is a strikeout for Sale and a single for Pomeranz. A 600 roll is a strikeout for Sale and a ground out for Pomeranz. If say Pomeranz were facing Devers (obviously they're teammates, but just to show how this works), Devers could get a triple ONLY if 036, 037, or 038 were rolled *using Pomeranz'* card.

We determine which card is used by simultaneously rolling two six-sided dice (one for the batter, one for the pitcher). The die with the higher number represents which card we are going to use. In the case of a tie, if it's a same-side matchup (R/R or L/L), we use the pitcher's card and if it's an opposite side matchup (R/L or L/R) we use the batter's card.

This game is WAY WAY WAY simpler than stratomatic. That's on purpose. I love stratomatic, but it's very complicated. I wanted to create something easy to use so that I could play a game in 10-15 minutes or less. This is super simple (I could make a variation using actual L-R splits, but that's a lot more work) and very fun to play and yet after a full season, the season-ending stats are remarkably similar to their actual stats the cards are based off of.

I had fun and years ago made single-year player cards for some of the all-time greats. Ruth, Maris, Yaz, etc. Some of their numbers are just insane. Anyway, this is a very fun way to play baseball games for anyone who likes board games and who likes baseball.

And yes, I'd love to market it but have NO idea how to do that or if it's even worth it. I think there's a market for it somewhere though.
 

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Mine is a percentage based dice game. I obviously had to be the manager of both teams but tried to be realistic in the decisions I made. It's a little hard to describe here, but I took the player stats and plotted them out over 1,000 plate appearances. Using three ten-sided dice (red, white, and blue), a player card looks like this:

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And yes, I'd love to market it but have NO idea how to do that or if it's even worth it. I think there's a market for it somewhere though.
I realize this isn't quite the main topic of the thread, but reading this I was reminded of a game I played growing up that used a similar system. I THINK it was Statis Pro Baseball -- at least that is what seems most recognizable after some Google Image searching. A link here, I remember playing this a whole lot and it had a similar system where certain players had certain ranges of of numbers allocated for different outcomes. I never played Strat-o-Matic, but it seems like a much simpler version of a similar idea.

Anyway, thanks for this because it brought back some great memories of playing this on rainy afternoons in Maine during various summer vacations. I'll have to see if it's still somewhere stacked among boxes at my mom's.

Oh, and bring on the Astros. I hope Kevin Bass doesn't have a huge series.
 

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You should check out Derrick beckners advanced statis pro baseball he also included handedness and a lot of other cool stuff.

I made a similar system based on percentages but what I did in a nutshell was


Get stats for hitters divided into outs hits and walks for hitting vs left or right pitchers

Get stats for pitchers doing same vs left and then vs right

Within each category of hit percentages for each type

Used a thumb rule from old baseball games that pitchers dominate the outcomes of at bats so created cards that basically had the batter side add up to a third and the pitcher two thirds

So if a RHB was out 60% of the time against a LHP they would have a third of that or 20%
Facing a pitcher who got righties out 90% of the time - ie an ace
He’d get two thirds or 60%

Adding those up to 80 gives the out% in that situation etc


I think I used league average stats in some way too but i forget how

Biggest problems I had were defensive stuff, base running, especially stuff like how do you make a stat that reflects a 90% success rate in stealing but limit how often you can steal but still allow player to ‘manage’ those opportunities in a realistic way
 

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Thanks guys...as a hobby of game-making (I've done football, baseball, even a superhero game, just tons of things - I started it as a kid and then made a bunch for my own kids), it's been cool.
 

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It cant get much sweeter than the MFYs now having their own equivalent of Bucky effing Dent! Not quite as dramatic as far as the timing, but Vazquez (with his 3 regular season homers) hits the homer that just barely clears the short porch and ends up being the winning run. And to add another cherry on top, I heard Dent threw out the ceremonial first pitch before the game!
 

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It cant get much sweeter than the MFYs now having their own equivalent of Bucky effing Dent! Not quite as dramatic as far as the timing, but Vazquez (with his 3 regular season homers) hits the homer that just barely clears the short porch and ends up being the winning run. And to add another cherry on top, I heard Dent threw out the ceremonial first pitch before the game!
I love the fact that the all time HR champs or whatever they were hit zero homers in the final two games, but the crucial hit last night was a HR by our #9 hitter with an OPS+ of 46 and 10 HR in his career.
 

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It bears noting that the Sox played much better defense than the Yanks this series. The infield defense was tight the entire series, with Nunez standing out, but with almost every infielder making a slick play at some point (Bogaerts did have some somewhat sluggish turns at 2nd that may have cost). Leon also had a number of clutch blocks behind the plate on some 55-foot breaking balls that could have easily ended up as wild pitches. There were several hard shots to the outfield that looked like doubles down the line or up the gap that were cut off or were caught pretty comfortably on the run. Contrast that with how Gardner played (or misplayed) the Kinsler double, which looked like it could have very easily been an out. When you couple that with the Nunez/Pearce play to end the game, the defense was very likely the deciding factor yesterday.

Also, this should go without saying, but it's important to note the impact that Mookie had on the game despite not having a terribly productive series at the plate. He put early pressure on the Yanks in Game 3 with his aggressive baserunning in the 3rd where he single-handedly turned a 1st and 2nd into a 2nd and 3rd with an amazing read on Beni's bloop to left (to left!). He looked ugly at the plate in some at-bats yesterday, but he did hit a 400ft screamer to dead center on Monday, so I'm bullish on him going into the ALCS.
 

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Man I know it's time to move on and think about Houston, but I'm not quite done with that game. I didn't get to watch it, but I was catching up on the game thread and watched a condensed game, and that last play at first was too close for comfort. Yes, an out, but much closer than I would have liked.

I sure hope Kimbrel can figure out what's going on by the time the ALCS starts. Baring that, I hope that Cora isn't afraid to pull him for someone else if he gets in trouble. He should have been long gone by the time it got to where it was.
 

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Some MFY fan on another board said “Yellich is the kind of star we need.”

Are you fucking kidding me? What— Andujar, Voit, Torres, and Judge aren’t enough young sluggers for you? Greedy bastard.
 

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Is there an MVP named for DS series? My pick would be Porcello...pitched great in Game 4 of course, but the outs he got in Game 1 when the bullpen was struggling to throw strikes just restored order and flipped the game.
 

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Random thought on the final out.

Imagine the shit-show if the call was "safe" and tieing run scores, and then upon review, it was reversed to "out"

The Toilet would explode
 

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Random thought on the final out.

Imagine the shit-show if the call was "safe" and tieing run scores, and then upon review, it was reversed to "out"

The Toilet would explode
Only way the 9th could have possibly gotten more ridiculous. We might have seen a SWAT team escort the Sox out.
 

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Some MFY fan on another board said “Yellich is the kind of star we need.”

Are you fucking kidding me? What— Andujar, Voit, Torres, and Judge aren’t enough young sluggers for you? Greedy bastard.
What they actually need is a great starter. Happ, Severino, and CC produced this:

Happ: 2.0 ip, 4 h, 5 r, 5 er, 1 bb, 2 k
Severino: 3.0 ip, 7 h, 6 r, 6 er, 2 bb, 2 k
Sabathia: 3.0 ip, 5 h, 3 r, 3 er, 2 bb, 1 k
TOTAL: 8.0 ip, 16 h, 14 r, 14 er, 5 bb, 5 k, 15.75 era, 2.63 whip, 5.6 k/9

I mean, that's just HORRIFIC. Give them one stud pitcher and this team becomes incredibly difficult to beat. But you're just not gonna win many series if your starters are giving you that.
 

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Just saw CC being interviewed where he claimed to have “great stuff” and that none of the Sox hits outside of Kinsler were hard contact.

You be you, CC.
 

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What they actually need is a great starter. Happ, Severino, and CC produced this:

Happ: 2.0 ip, 4 h, 5 r, 5 er, 1 bb, 2 k
Severino: 3.0 ip, 7 h, 6 r, 6 er, 2 bb, 2 k
Sabathia: 3.0 ip, 5 h, 3 r, 3 er, 2 bb, 1 k
TOTAL: 8.0 ip, 16 h, 14 r, 14 er, 5 bb, 5 k, 15.75 era, 2.63 whip, 5.6 k/9

I mean, that's just HORRIFIC. Give them one stud pitcher and this team becomes incredibly difficult to beat. But you're just not gonna win many series if your starters are giving you that.
Happ, Severino and CC were all Price-like.

Price 1.2 ip, 3 h, 3 r, 3 er, 2 bb, 0 k
 

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Is there an MVP named for DS series? My pick would be Porcello...pitched great in Game 4 of course, but the outs he got in Game 1 when the bullpen was struggling to throw strikes just restored order and flipped the game.
I agree with this. Porcello would be my choice as well. Honorable mention to J.D. Martinez with divisional round best 6 RBIs. With .992 OPS he continued to produce offensively in this round.
 

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I'm sure this has been mentioned elsewhere, but the key to this series was the Yankees inability to get to the Red Sox bullpen in games 1 and 4, I thought going into the series their tire fire bullpen would be their achilles heel.

Other than that high wire act in the bottom of the ninth, the bullpen was outstanding and was one of the keys to the win.

Outside of Price, the starters were nails.

Imagine the all time home run hitting champs hit zero in games 3 and 4, that's incredible, they scored a whopping 2 runs in games 3 and 4 at home prior to the bottom of the ninth last night.

The worm has officially turned in this rivalry, I thought Voit would kill the Red Sox this series, he did virtually nothing outside of the cue shot down the first base line in game one, Gardner either, same with Stanton, talk about laying an egg.

The Red Sox have won four in a row at Yankee stadium in the playoffs; I can just see my Dad, two uncles and two grandfathers sitting around a table up in heaven laughing their asses off as Babe Ruth waddles by...………………………..
 

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Some MFY fan on another board said “Yellich is the kind of star we need.”

Are you fucking kidding me? What— Andujar, Voit, Torres, and Judge aren’t enough young sluggers for you? Greedy bastard.
I have seen a lot of that recently. "We should have traded for Yelich". The only reason they got Stanton is because he forced a trade to the NYY. The Brewers had to give up real assets to trade for him, they didnt get him for free bc he had an albatross contract.
 

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What they actually need is a great starter. Happ, Severino, and CC produced this:

Happ: 2.0 ip, 4 h, 5 r, 5 er, 1 bb, 2 k
Severino: 3.0 ip, 7 h, 6 r, 6 er, 2 bb, 2 k
Sabathia: 3.0 ip, 5 h, 3 r, 3 er, 2 bb, 1 k
TOTAL: 8.0 ip, 16 h, 14 r, 14 er, 5 bb, 5 k, 15.75 era, 2.63 whip, 5.6 k/9

I mean, that's just HORRIFIC. Give them one stud pitcher and this team becomes incredibly difficult to beat. But you're just not gonna win many series if your starters are giving you that.
That's exactly right.
In a discussion I had with Jon Abbey in the "Yankees get Stanton" thread, I suggested strongly that the MFY rotation was their Achilles heel, and that they needed another #1- 2 starter more than Stanton.
 

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The Red Sox have won four in a row at Yankee stadium in the playoffs; I can just see my Dad, two uncles and two grandfathers sitting around a table up in heaven laughing their asses off as Babe Ruth waddles by
Love this! Was thinking along the same lines about my Dad last night. Watching all those hearts get broken in the Bronx last night was just so much fun.
 

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As a 55-year-old lifelong Sox fan who has lived and died with the Old Towne Team since the early 1970's, I was more than a little surprised to realize over the past week how much winning this series meant to me. It wasn't just the validation of the 108 wins in the regular season, although that was part of it. It was the feeling that, just once in my life, I wanted to see a Red Sox team clearly show without any reasonable doubt that they were the better team and leave the Yankees gasping in the dust. They did that in the regular season - going 8-5 vs. the MFY's when the division was still in doubt - and I wanted to see them impose their will in October as well. I wasn't ready for a resumption of Yankee dominance, not with their ascending group of young players amidst our possibly closing window (and sure as s*** not in a year ending in '18'). I wasn't ready for people to start suggesting more loudly that 2004 was just an outlier. I wanted our version of the 1999 ALCS, where the Yankees could laugh and casually dismiss a game 3 beatdown by the Sox as 'it was their World Series' before resuming their own march to the real World Series.

I could have done without that ninth inning drama, but in the end, the Sox gave us a tremendously satisfying series win, complete with universal acknowledgements that the Sox were clearly the better team, that Bucky Bleepin' Dent holds no power over the Red Sox any more, that Alex Cora managed rings around Aaron Bleepin' Boone, and at least a year's worth of glorious agonizing by the New York fan base about 'Why can't the Yankees beat the Red Sox when it counts?'
 

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BULLPEN

Barnes: 2.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 1 k
Brasier: 2.1 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 er, 2 bb, 4 k
Hembree: 3.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 3 bb, 2 k
Kelly: 2.1 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 1 k
TOT: 9.2 ip, 2 h, 0 r, 0 er, 6 bb, 8 k, 0.00 era, 0.83 whip, 7.4 k/9

Add in..
Porcello: 0.2 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 0 k
Sale: 1.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 1 k

But...
Kimbrel: 2.1 ip, 2 h, 3 r, 3 er, 2 bb, 4 k
Workman: 0.2 ip, 4 h, 1 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 2 k
 

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Stanton getting called the new Arod, bugs me.
The Arod = choker serves 2 purposes for the Yankee Fan
1. Elevates the already grossly over-rated Jeter.
2. Allows them to hide the fact his HGH fueled bat carried them to #27

They even have commemorative 09 merch with team pics omitting him. He had 6hr and 18 rbi in the 09 post season.
 

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Fly out for Manhattan tomorrow morning. Red Trot Nixon jersey is already in the carry on...

What a game. Vegas has us as slight dogs to Houston... I'm okay with that.
 

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Is there an MVP named for DS series? My pick would be Porcello...pitched great in Game 4 of course, but the outs he got in Game 1 when the bullpen was struggling to throw strikes just restored order and flipped the game.
Was just wondering this. Porcello's a good pick. Sale, Eovaldi (who threw the most innings), JDM, Beni, even Vazquez are all defensible choices.
 

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I'd give it to Eovaldi or Sale. Sale's just so insanely valuable to the squad as a whole, but Eovaldi absolutely stomped on them and single-handedly turned that series around. Even bigger that he did it on the road in that joke of a stadium.
 

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As a 55-year-old lifelong Sox fan who has lived and died with the Old Towne Team since the early 1970's, I was more than a little surprised to realize over the past week how much winning this series meant to me. It wasn't just the validation of the 108 wins in the regular season, although that was part of it. It was the feeling that, just once in my life, I wanted to see a Red Sox team clearly show without any reasonable doubt that they were the better team and leave the Yankees gasping in the dust. They did that in the regular season - going 8-5 vs. the MFY's when the division was still in doubt - and I wanted to see them impose their will in October as well. I wasn't ready for a resumption of Yankee dominance, not with their ascending group of young players amidst our possibly closing window (and sure as s*** not in a year ending in '18'). I wasn't ready for people to start suggesting more loudly that 2004 was just an outlier. I wanted our version of the 1999 ALCS, where the Yankees could laugh and casually dismiss a game 3 beatdown by the Sox as 'it was their World Series' before resuming their own march to the real World Series.

I could have done without that ninth inning drama, but in the end, the Sox gave us a tremendously satisfying series win, complete with universal acknowledgements that the Sox were clearly the better team, that Bucky Bleepin' Dent holds no power over the Red Sox any more, that Alex Cora managed rings around Aaron Bleepin' Boone, and at least a year's worth of glorious agonizing by the New York fan base about 'Why can't the Yankees beat the Red Sox when it counts?'
56 and same here, except...

...as stressful as the Kimbrel 9th was, I’m glad that we got their hopes up, then dashed them. I’d never have planned it that way, but letting the MFY fans smell, but not taste victory, made it all the better. Beating them 4-3 was weirdly better than beating them 4-1.

This was especially the case following the humiliating 16-1 beatdown, which was delicious in its own right.
 

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I was talking to my brother after the game last night. I asked him how we survived and stayed (relatively) sane in 2004. He said he has no idea.

Games 1 and especially 4 probably took years off my life, but it's worth it.
 

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I love the fact that the all time HR champs or whatever they were hit zero homers in the final two games, but the crucial hit last night was a HR by our #9 hitter with an OPS+ of 46 and 10 HR in his career.
And just as NY brought out Bucky Dent to throw out the ceremonial first pitch last night, 40 years from now Christian Vazquez will have the same honor in a postseason NY/Boston game to be played by players yet unborn.

(Dent will be pushing up daisies.)
 

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56 and same here, except...

...as stressful as the Kimbrel 9th was, I’m glad that we got their hopes up, then dashed them. I’d never have planned it that way, but letting the MFY fans smell, but not taste victory, made it all the better. Beating them 4-3 was weirdly better than beating them 4-1.

This was especially the case following the humiliating 16-1 beatdown, which was delicious in its own right.
My thoughts exactly, loved how they got their hopes up, then murdered.

They scored two runs on a walk, a seeing eye base hit, another walk, a hit batter and a sacrifice fly, not one ball squared up, so close too on that last out.

If this was pre 2004, Nunez's throw bounces in the dirt, shoots off the stands, Mookie comes charging in to field it, slips and the ball rolls through his legs, two runs score, game over and we're off to game 5.

Tough shit, close but no cigar.

Enjoy your off season Yankee fans, tell us all about how you're going to sign Machado, Harper and trade for two top of the rotation starters..