Al Horford: he gawn

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So much for all the S&T machinations (I know they still have the full MLE which is not nothing).

The fact Al wasn’t willing to at least wait to see if Boston could match leads me to believe Boston was never really willing to offer anything close to what others were, or Al was really bitter about last year.
 

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Sounds like the 76ers and Heat are looking for a third team to expand their Butler sign and trade deal, since Philadelphia won't take back much (any?) money beyond Richardson.
--Keith Smith
This guy is a dope. He tweeted out that Horford to Philly was off the table right after the sign and trade with Miami was announced and then the Woj bomb dropped 10 minutes later.
 

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So much for all the S&T machinations (I know they still have the full MLE which is not nothing).

The fact Al wasn’t willing to at least wait to see if Boston could match leads me to believe Boston was never really willing to offer anything close to what others were, or Al was really bitter about last year.
Don’t believe they do have the MLE.
 

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Al is going to be awesome as a 4 next to Embiid.
Simmons, Richardson, Harris, Al, Embiid is a massive lineup. If Zhaire Smith is the player I fear he might be, and Thybulle can earn minutes, that’s going to be a really difficult team to score on.

Losing Jimmy hurts them when they need someone to take over on offense- he saved their asses in the playoffs- but this is a great rebound for them.
 

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Woj apparently said that the Celtics offer was significantly lower than 4/97 (I didn't see the clip but reputable people on twitter have said it).
 

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That's what she said.
At some point you pay more so the rivals don't get him. Woj said Al's agent tried to get a deal done with Boston. So do it.

This is a players league now, it is no longer KG/Pierce/Ray.

Danny was handed Kemba when MJ lowballed him, and for some reason MJ wanted Terry. Or else we would be looking at Terry running point and nothing to show for Al and Kyrie.

Time for Zarren to take over. That's where I am now.
 

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If Danny’s offer was that far below the Sixers’ there has to be another shoe to drop.
 

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At some point you pay more so the rivals don't get him. Woj said Al's agent tried to get a deal done with Boston. So do it.

This is a players league now, it is no longer KG/Pierce/Ray.

Danny was handed Kemba when MJ lowballed him, and for some reason MJ wanted Terry. Or else we would be looking at Terry running point and nothing to show for Al and Kyrie.

Time for Zarren to take over. That's where I am now.
This take is scorching. You pay your value on a guy and trust your system and organization.

No credit for Kemba (you're essentially holding it against Ainge that he could have had Rozier and not Kemba and give no credit that he actually doesn't have that), no credit for working potential S&T to possibly keep Al, upset he didn't pay whatever the player wanted.
 

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At some point you pay more so the rivals don't get him. Woj said Al's agent tried to get a deal done with Boston. So do it.

This is a players league now, it is no longer KG/Pierce/Ray.

Danny was handed Kemba when MJ lowballed him, and for some reason MJ wanted Terry. Or else we would be looking at Terry running point and nothing to show for Al and Kyrie.

Time for Zarren to take over. That's where I am now.
Lol - Kemba was “handed” to them? You realize he could have picked like 10 other teams to go to, right?

If you’re gonna ding Danny for (perceived) failures you at least have to give him credit for successes, and Kemba is an unqualified success.
 

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At some point you pay more so the rivals don't get him. Woj said Al's agent tried to get a deal done with Boston. So do it.

This is a players league now, it is no longer KG/Pierce/Ray.

Danny was handed Kemba when MJ lowballed him, and for some reason MJ wanted Terry. Or else we would be looking at Terry running point and nothing to show for Al and Kyrie.

Time for Zarren to take over. That's where I am now.
Are you auditioning for EEI?
 

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Yeah, you can debate what you think Horford will be worth in 3-4 years, but overpaying for a guy only makes sense if you think it makes you title favorites. The easiest way to sink a team is to overpay your own aging vets because "it's better than losing him for nothing"
 

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Guys, it's not like overpaying guys for longer than you want to pay them for hamstrings teams in the NBA because of the cap.
 

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At some point you pay more so the rivals don't get him. Woj said Al's agent tried to get a deal done with Boston. So do it.

This is a players league now, it is no longer KG/Pierce/Ray.

Danny was handed Kemba when MJ lowballed him, and for some reason MJ wanted Terry. Or else we would be looking at Terry running point and nothing to show for Al and Kyrie.

Time for Zarren to take over. That's where I am now.
Kyrie was a swing and miss. It happens.

The only path to a title now is for Jaylen and Jayson to become top 20 players in 2022 after the Kawhi/Davis/Lebron run (hopefully) winds down. It's encouraging that our older GM didn't toss the team into cap hell for unrealistic short term goals.

We are basically the east coast T-Wolves this season with a little more upside because of the Memphis pick and Gordon maybe returning to All-NBA level.
 

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I love Al Horford, but there were many times last season when he looked like he was on his last legs. The rest games, the minutes restrictions, etc., etc. When he can play, he's awesome - don't get me wrong. But, committing big money for 4 years on a player like that is really risky. It's a reasonable risk for Philly because they are closer to title contention than the Celtics are (at least based on what we know now). But, I think they'll be regretting this move in the future.

I just really wish the Celtics hadn't traded away Baynes and had drafted someone with height at #14.
 

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That's what she said.
The money doesn't matter when ownership has said since we won 25 games in 13/14 that they weren't afraid to pay the tax, and pay a lot of it. And with Al, we could have contended the next two years, now we wait and see if Jayson and Jaylen are what we hope.

It wasn't yet cap hell, this was Danny's chance to take advantage of the current CBA and pay his already under contract players as much as it took. The roster was set for the next six years really, which it still is now, Just without Al. If it works we then have Jayson and Jaylen maxed when Al and Kemba are coming off the books and we see what happened.

I'll give Danny credit, that he would have done it, but he underrated Al's market value.

I have long been opposed to thinking the draft picks are as big of assets as many, they are if you can draft Jayson or Jaylen, but they aren't worth that in a trade. And once they are made they really lost their value.

Thought we had the horses and should have ran with them. But I see all sides, and lets see if Enes Kanter can fill Al's shoes. (Spoiler, he Kant...)
 

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The money doesn't matter when ownership has said since we won 25 games in 13/14 that they weren't afraid to pay the tax, and pay a lot of it. And with Al, we could have contended the next two years, now we wait and see if Jayson and Jaylen are what we hope.

It wasn't yet cap hell, this was Danny's chance to take advantage of the current CBA and pay his already under contract players as much as it took. The roster was set for the next six years really, which it still is now, Just without Al. If it works we then have Jayson and Jaylen maxed when Al and Kemba are coming off the books and we see what happened.

I'll give Danny credit, that he would have done it, but he underrated Al's market value.

I have long been opposed to thinking the draft picks are as big of assets as many, they are if you can draft Jayson or Jaylen, but they aren't worth that in a trade. And once they are made they really lost their value.

Thought we had the horses and should have ran with them. But I see all sides, and lets see if Enes Kanter can fill Al's shoes. (Spoiler, he Kant...)
It isn't about paying the tax, it's about being able to add players. If you give Al 4 years, you're going to be unable to add players, you'll never get under the cap, and you'll have very limited exemptions once you go over the tax. It's why the Warriors bench has slowly eroded as time went on, except instead of having 4 top 20 players in the league, the Celtics would have none.
 

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The embarrassment of riches I’ve enjoyed as a Boston sports fan over the past two decades has afforded me a general sense of equanimity over the ups and downs of the teams I once lived and died by, but this one stings a bit. I don’t blame Ainge for a price- Al’s getting old and this is a team built for the future, but I’m gonna miss the big fella.

Plus I was really looking forward to watching him blossom under the tutelage of Grant Williams. He would’ve learned a ton about the nuances of the game and what it takes to be a professional if Grant had been able to take him under his wing.
 

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It isn't about paying the tax, it's about being able to add players. If you give Al 4 years, you're going to be unable to add players, you'll never get under the cap, and you'll have very limited exemptions once you go over the tax. It's why the Warriors bench has slowly eroded as time went on, except instead of having 4 top 20 players in the league, the Celtics would have none.
Not only that but the Celtics would have to part with a good asset to the Nets to retain Als services for the next 4 years for 100 million.
 

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The money doesn't matter when ownership has said since we won 25 games in 13/14 that they weren't afraid to pay the tax, and pay a lot of it. And with Al, we could have contended the next two years, now we wait and see if Jayson and Jaylen are what we hope.

It wasn't yet cap hell, this was Danny's chance to take advantage of the current CBA and pay his already under contract players as much as it took. The roster was set for the next six years really, which it still is now, Just without Al. If it works we then have Jayson and Jaylen maxed when Al and Kemba are coming off the books and we see what happened.
It's not though, if they did sign Al for a deal similar to what he just signed for the roster would have been set because they'd be capped out regardless. Potentially now in the next year or 2, depending on what happens with Brown and Hayward, they could easily have another max slot open. It's way too early now to say how that plays out, but there are certainly ways where this ends up working in the Cs favor beyond Al becoming cooked in a few years.
 

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What does that mean? Does that throw a wrench into Horford’s cap space?
Pretty sure Sixers can sign Al and keep Harris with no cap issues, but if they can't find a new 3rd team they'd have to let Butler walk for nothing so they wouldn't get Richardson. So no unless they can't find a new team and they really really like Richardson.
 

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What does that mean? Does that throw a wrench into Horford’s cap space?
yes and no, they'd have to renounce Jimmy, losing out on Richardson. And the Heat would lose out on Jimmy. Now maybe that changes their decision on Horford, but I doubt it.