Well, at one point Myra Kraft said "it won't be my team. Get rid of him, Bob."HomeRunBaker said:
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Then they negotiated a settlement for Bob to keep his 29-year old girlfriend in exchange for Myra to get her way.twothousandone said:
Do we really want to go down THAT road of what's right and what is wrong?
Oh I agree although I'd argue that it is many more than only a few and they are spread out among ALL the teams. That doesn't make any organization better or worse than the other since they all have skeletons in their closet. Shit, we had a murderer who we knew had a history of gun violence and still extended him a large contract due to his football abilities.Super Nomario said:
Oh and he was drafted while Myra was alive when it was well known about his incidents at Florida.
I don't understand this point at all. What does Kraft's girlfriend have to do with the Christian Peter situation?HomeRunBaker said:
Or maybe it doesn't, and NFL players get arrested at rates similar (though not identical) to adult men generally, less often than those who typically grew up in similar circumstances, yet more often than those currently in similar economic circumstances. Hmmmmmmm.HomeRunBaker said:
I think the accusation is from some time ago. But also, lost in the shuffle is that the kid he beat with the switch also said that Peterson hit him in the face. http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/
And here's the article with the new allegation:
http://khou.mlnwap.com/article.html#!/52370/3afdfe95ed122262c4fbd9dc632fce52
So long asshole!
And here's the article with the new allegation:
http://khou.mlnwap.com/article.html#!/52370/3afdfe95ed122262c4fbd9dc632fce52
So long asshole!
This is not playing out well in Minnesota. The media and the fans are incensed about him being reinstated, and I think this latest revelation will be too much for the Vikings brass to ignore. From one of the Vikings main fan sites and message boards...
Of course there are more victims. Peterson wasn’t trying to hide the fact that he believes in this form of punishment. He has at least three other kids.
He is also guilty of abusing countless fantasy owners this season.
He is also guilty of abusing countless fantasy owners this season.
If that is representative of the thinking of Vikings fans, it seems like a pretty strong contrast with how the Ravens fan base responded to the Ray Rice case.Bone Chips said:
MarcSullivaFan said:
You can't blame him for this one. It was the car's fault...or the kid's. Either way, the kid is fine, in fact, "He aight".
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11534340/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-facing-second-child-abuse-accusation
We are very close to this being worse than Rice. Whatever the motivation --
1. It's at least two victims, not one.
2. Both reportedly 4 years old, not adults.
3. This wound to the head, which left a scar, reportedly was occasioned because the 4 yr old cussed at a sibling. AP allegedly told the spouse that if the kid had taken the punishment like a man, he would not have moved and there would be no scar.
He's radioactive at this point, I imagine. At some point, hatred of all things Ravens had to yield to facts.
edit -- I also imagine the League, which cares about image more than everything else but money, now must regard him as a lit fuse. He regrets these beatings after the fact, but only in their flawed execution
1. It's at least two victims, not one.
2. Both reportedly 4 years old, not adults.
3. This wound to the head, which left a scar, reportedly was occasioned because the 4 yr old cussed at a sibling. AP allegedly told the spouse that if the kid had taken the punishment like a man, he would not have moved and there would be no scar.
He's radioactive at this point, I imagine. At some point, hatred of all things Ravens had to yield to facts.
edit -- I also imagine the League, which cares about image more than everything else but money, now must regard him as a lit fuse. He regrets these beatings after the fact, but only in their flawed execution
Also, as I noted above, the kid got the whipping recently also said that Peterson hit him in the face, which Peterson has not admitted to.dcmissle said:
The "I felt so bad, but..." tone was in the texts about the first child, too.
I'm going to go out n a limb here and speculate that he did not, in fact, feel so bad about any of this and he has no sense of appropriate behavior with children.
How long until he gets removed from Madden? This Friday's update?
I'm going to go out n a limb here and speculate that he did not, in fact, feel so bad about any of this and he has no sense of appropriate behavior with children.
How long until he gets removed from Madden? This Friday's update?
All the baby mamas that are scattered all over the country are getting phone calls from Child Protective Services, newspapers, tabloid sites. Offers are being made for interviews, photos are being sold, reports are being written, hospital records are being "leaked". This might just be the beginning of a scandal that shows repeated abuse of multiple children by AP over a period of years.
Radisson suspends Vikings' sponsorship after they were up as the background during the PC today.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/radisson-suspends-minnesota-vikings-sponsorship-25525900
On another note, you never want to take guys like this seriously, but the boyfriend who killed Peterson's kid a few years ago talked about how much of a deadbeat father and terrible person Adrian was. Pot kettle obviously, but he's not looking wrong. The guy is a selfish asshole.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/radisson-suspends-minnesota-vikings-sponsorship-25525900
If anything, he's just guilty of loving his kids too much. You really have to admire what multimillionaires will do to keep their kids off the street these days. That letter today where he admits he hit his kid too hard and hurt him, but also didn't abuse him, was a breath of fresh air. You don't get that kind of honesty in these times.
On another note, you never want to take guys like this seriously, but the boyfriend who killed Peterson's kid a few years ago talked about how much of a deadbeat father and terrible person Adrian was. Pot kettle obviously, but he's not looking wrong. The guy is a selfish asshole.
This is where lawyerly notions of due process run up against the reality of the modern NFL. It sells much more than the product on the field. It pitches myth, values and the illusion that you actually know the heroes on the field. But of course, we don't.
No, that was the guy who had been the primary father figure to that child, not the guy who killed the child.Ed Hillel said:
http://nypost.com/2013/10/16/man-who-raised-petersons-son-tired-of-poor-adrian-talk/
MarcSullivaFan said:
Right, the guy who raised the child as his own son, but was not the biological father, nor the current boyfriend of the biological mother.
It's horrible that AP uses the religion excuse while he clearly is a womanizer and deadbeat father who doesn't even try to give his children any semblance of a family structure.
The point was the percentages. I believe that the statistics are that roughly 11% of males in this country will spend some time in jail in their lifetime. Translated to an NFL roster, that would be 5-6 players per team going to jail at some point in their lives. Of course there are several different socioeconomic breakdowns you can make to be more precise, but when you have over 1600 active players at any one time, statistically it is almost a certainty that "more than a few" will get in trouble.HomeRunBaker said:
Which incidents at Florida were well known before the incident in Attleboro? All that was reported when he was drafted was the marijuana-based suspension IIRC. After the Lloyd shooting, the lightbulb went off with the Gainesville police that Hernandez might have been the one behind some unsolved incidents. I'm not trying to carry water for the Krafts or Pats here, so correct me if I am missing anything.
Just had a crazy thought - maybe not so crazy, youze guys can help me with a plausibility check.Bone Chips said:
The switch incident happened "last May" (no link b/c on phone, but check the CBS Sports story at footnote 99 on AP's Wikipedia page.
So presumably the cops/DA/grand jury have been sniffing around him for a while.
Did AP call Jerrah out of the blue last month to say he wanted to play for the Cowboys because he knew the shit was about to hit the fan , that he would likely be run out of town in Minnesota, and that he would stand a chance of Dallas taking him on because 1) he is a Texas guy and hometown hero, 2) it's a part of the country where whoopin' is a (more ) accepted part of the culture, and 3) Jerrah?
You are talking 11% over an adults entire lifetime however when the average NFL players career is what, 3 years? The number of arrests in that small window have to be accounted for and not that of a mans lifetime.redsahx said:
It was on record that Hernandez was questioned for the 2007 shooting, teams took him off their board due to strong rumors of gang affiliation, and he failed multiple drug tests at Florida despite these tests not being random. He knew that he had to take them and didn't give a shit.
Red flags were everywhere but of course many other college players who also have red flags don't go off on (alleged) killing sprees.
Of course there were other incidents. This how he thinks parenting is done. (Hell, if he hadn't done this with all his kids, what would that say?) It's obviously a tragedy that more children have suffered, but I don't see why it would change the calculus for the Vikings or anyone else.
That's not the way I read the article.Ed Hillel said:
"I dont blame AP for not really caring cuz [sic] him and I both found out recently who the biological father was."
The father is saying he is annoyed at the media for calling AP the father. The reason there were three males in this 2 year old's life (and presumably why AP was a deadbeat) was because no one thought AP was the biological father for most of the kids life.
That may well be because no one here is trying to justify the abuse by discussing the kid's role in the incident or "elements of provocation."singaporesoxfan said:
The truth is that society sees child abuse as cut and dried wrong and violence against women as "complicated." It's sad and disgusting and playing out in a horrible way here.
soxfan121 said:
There is an issue with this link from 538.....the study is only using raw data. Though probably no way to really discern, what are the odds that an NFL player gets arrested vs Joe Blow? I think it is many times less. AP gets pulled over for speeding in Minneapolis, he is much more likely to be asked for an autograph than given a speeding ticket. We have all read many stories of this. Stars getting hustled away from bar fights, etc. Kind of blows raw data out of the water.
As far as AP, the text transcript turned my stomach - I would suspend him for the remainder of the season. at the least. I would be comfortable with this season and next...it is horrifying that he is belting around children. The NFL certainly seems to be at a pivotal moment here.
On T&R this morning they were talking about the case of Viking cornerback Chris Cook who was charged with a felony in 2011 for choking his girlfriend. Ultimately Cook was acquitted of the charges, but the Vikings suspended him indefinitely without pay while allowing "due process" to be carried out.
What's the difference here, that AP hit a kid and not a woman? Or that Chris Cook is a JAG cornerback and AP is the best running back of his generation?
What's the difference here, that AP hit a kid and not a woman? Or that Chris Cook is a JAG cornerback and AP is the best running back of his generation?
I disagree with your assessment and I, in fact, haven't read many stories of this, but wouldn't you say that the people claiming the league attracts a certain kind of violent person more prone to criminality has some sort of burden to show that's the case?21st Century Sox said:
If you view an NFL team as simply an employer, then it makes sense that you treat an employee who brings more value differently. This gets back to why the justice system punishment should take priority for people.Ralphwiggum said:
Suppose instead of AP you had a rookie backup RB yet to make 6 figures in paychecks for his career now banned from the NFL and in need of work. If a supermarket hires him to stock shelves, do you boycott that supermarket for not taking domestic or child abuse seriously enough? If an NFL career is no longer appropriate for someone based on public outrage over his behavior, which career would be appropriate? Is it all about simply having these people out of sight and out of mind so we don't have to think about their crimes?
I think that the NFL draws in players who are supremely gifted, and have been coddled and given anything they ever wanted from early teen years on. Sexual assaults routinely swept away by colleges, free rides on grades. Hell - A's on courses never attended. They are told from a very early age that they are entitled.....to pretty much whatever they want.Myt1 said:
Women, guns, drugs, whatever.
If you have not read about preferential treatment of athletes, I will just venture to say that you have not looked hard, the examples are endless.
I believe that if I cold cocked my wife, knocked her unconscious, and dragged her out of an elevator - yeah, I would be facing serious charges, and defending myself right now. If my phone had the string like AP's about beating my kid - I believe I would have been arrested. The list goes on.....
I should add the caveat to my previous post that I do admit there is a line somewhere at which organizations will want to avoid affiliation with an individual. I couldn't cover all the bases posting from my phone, so I only went as far as that first thought.
I'm pretty sure Myt1 is not ignorant of the fact that good athletes get coddled, and all you've done is increase your burden of proof. If NFL players are more prone to be entitled pricks, you still need to demonstrate that this manifests itself in a disproportionate number of arrests compared to the rest of society. Absent any numbers, you are not supporting your argument, only adding another hypothesis.
[EDIT] I partly misread your point. I understand you are trying to explain why the numbers might be lower due to guys getting off for things a normal person wouldn't, but there still is a lack of supporting evidence. Ray Rice may have "got off", but he was still arrested and charged. Adrian Peterson was indicted and charged, and the public is appropriately counting these two cases against the NFL. So neither of those examples really matters in this context, as they don't support the idea that the NFL numbers for arrests are reduced.
redsahx said:
First off, I vehemently disagree that any business enterprise should treat differently situated employees differently when it comes to this kind of stuff. Of course they do all the time, but it doesn't make it right. It sends a terrible message to the rest of the employees, kills employee morale, and erodes any hope that you have in effectively deterring this type of behavior. I would argue (and have argued many times in real life situation) that if anything your leaders should be held to a higher standard than the guy stocking the shelves. We just fired a guy who broke no laws and violated no company policies but was engaging in conduct that was completely unbecoming for a leader of a large business. He was a talented guy, but a scumbag, and management did the right thing.
But really we should just stop with the analogies to "what would happen if this was some guy who worked for a grocery store". The analogy does not work for any number of reasons. People who work in grocery stores are not public figures, NFL players are. I don't know who is stocking the shelves at my local Stop & Shop, but I do know who is suiting up for the Pats and other NFL teams, and it detracts from my enjoyment of the league when guys like AP and Hardy are out there playing. The NFL is in the entertainment business to to a certain extent who these guys are and how they behave matters. As long as I can find the stuff I'm looking for in the grocery stores, the conduct of the shelf stocker kind of doesn't. The fucking Vikings acknowledged this when they suspended Chris Cook indefinitely while his court case played out. They let due process run its course, but in the meantime they didn't want a guy who (maybe) was a wife choking scumbag running around covering opposing wide receivers wearing a purple Vikings uniform. The fact that they won't do the same thing with AP now in a case that is much more cut and dried, and that they hide behind "due process", is absurd and disgusting.
Lastly, I am boycotting nothing, I would have watched the Pats game last week if AP played, and I'll continue to watch the NFL regardless. I also don't think APs career should be over. He should get a second chance. But I think a 1 game suspension and then a "we'll let due process play out, we're not sure if this is abuse or not" statement from the Vikings is disgusting. YMMV.
I'm focused on the individuals and what they are accused of doing, and detected here a bend-over- backwards approach to AP that was not extended to Rice. Given the photographic evidence and number of episodes, it is very difficult to square an indefinite suspension with AP free to play on Sunday.Stitch01 said:
Seems to me the NFL is paralyzed and begging the Vikes to do something.
21st Century Sox said:
I don't think anyone's denying that they get coddled, that they get to coast by in school, and that traffic tickets get waved off.
This is a far cry from an officer being called to the scene of a crime and not arresting the prime suspect. Ray Rice's wife refused to testify against him and he was given what was functionally a plea bargain. The police didn't opt to not go after him. Peterson was investigated, and while we don't know all the details, it's a little early to say he got off because he's famous. This was pursued and he was charged in the current case. Show your work on this one, because if we're going anecdotally, we can also cite situations like Plaxico Burress, who was famously tried harsher than normal for his celebrity status to demonstrate how serious NY was about their gun control.
I don't disagree with your sentiment on the first part, was merely pointing out that it happens elsewhere.
The key here is the whole YMMV thing. Chris Cook and Adrian Peterson actually aren't apples to apples as far as the crime goes. It is hard to compare the two. I need to make clear that as a parent of children the same age, of course I find Peterson's behavior to be awful. Not only is whipping a four year old with a branch bad to begin with, but Peterson seemed quite enthusiastic about it given the number of blows he was delivering and the force involved. I am glad he is getting called on it and hopefully set straight.
For whatever reason though, Chris Cook putting his hands around the neck of his wife, or say Terrell Suggs dousing his girlfriend with bleach disturbs me a bit more, as the intent is a lot more scary. Peterson seems guilty of ignorance and backwoods values in raising children, as well as indifference to the emotional pain being caused, perhaps due to his upbringing. I hope that can be cured through proper counseling. Cook, Hardy and Suggs though seem awfully close to actually threatening the life of a person, and I'm not sure how far off they were from meaning it.
I don't disagree that these are not all apples-to-apples comparisons and I am not suggesting they should all be treated the same. I'm not sure what an appropriate punishment for AP should be, certainly not a lifetime ban. But something more than one game. I buy the cultural argument to a point, but not once you are breaking the skin and causing wounds that causes a prosecutor in the state of Texas to seek an indictment. Maybe he doesn't need to sit until his case is resolved, but he needs to sit longer than one week. And let's face it, had the Goodell and Rice shit not been happening, he probably wouldn't have even sat one game.
But mostly I am greatly irked by the Vikings hiding behind "due process" when they have shown in another case that they could give a shit about due process. It is a cowardly stance for the team to take.
But mostly I am greatly irked by the Vikings hiding behind "due process" when they have shown in another case that they could give a shit about due process. It is a cowardly stance for the team to take.
