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Let's look at the incentives that are currently in place with the league right now.  The league has taken the approach that they will not mete out any discipline until a final ruling has been reached by a judge, at which point Goodell will rule on discipline. Unfortunately, this encourages teams to draft players and keep who may be character risks, as they will retain the services of the player throughout the investigation, and may only lose their services in the event of a conviction, at which point the player may be released.  There is no real rule in place to prevent this from happening now.
I don't think you're describing the status quo accurately, which isn't really your fault because the NFL hasn't been consistent on it. The NFL has suspended players before a final ruling by a judge, not suspended players even after a final ruling, and several permutations thereof.
 
In my opinion, the major thing that has to be done is remove the incentive for NFL teams to engage with players who may be discipline problems.  With the way the CBA is currently drafted, NFL teams can hide behind "due process" much like the Vikings and Panthers attempted to do and still try to get their guys on the field.  The option I would suggest in fixing this aspect of the problem is that any player who is charged with a violent crime be suspended with pay, effective immediately, for the length of the investigation.  This is much the situation that occurs in any other workplace.  Being suspended with pay is very common for people who are involved in ongoing investigations.  It should be in the NFL as well.
It's really not very common and very much not the situation that occurs in any workplace. It happens for some people who are being investigated for misconduct in connection with their jobs. Others are fired unceremoniously. Others have no disciplinary action taken against them at all while charges are pending.
 
But I can't understand why you think this is the proper incentive system anyway. Should the Patriots have been forced to suspend Hernandez with pay until years later when his trial and appeals are done? It seems more likely than not that he took actions that had the foreseeable results of rendering him unable to fulfill his contractual duties and, more importantly, causing a number of deaths.

By moving to this incentive system, it discourages bringing on players who are character risks unless you feel that you have means within your team to help prevent those risks from occurring again.  I think that burden falls to the individual team, rather than the NFL, to determine whether they want to allocate the funds for counseling and other programs for their own players if they want to try to bring on high-risk players.
They don't carry signs that say, "Possible future batterer." I think you're basing your proposed policy on a number of unsound assumptions.
 
I do not think the NFL should have additional suspensions once a verdict is reached in a trial.  If a player has to serve time for a crime, he will miss games.  If he is able to reach a deal with a judge to avoid time, he has already been suspended through the proceedings, and teams can take risks on those players as needed.  But I do not believe that additional punishment should be given out at this point, as the criminal justice system has served its purpose.
The purpose of the criminal justice system is not and never has been to impose the only consequences for unacceptable behavior. Given the awesome power of the system to deprive people of their lives and liberty, it operates under a burden of proof requirement sometimes described as being in favor of 10 guilty men going free lest one innocent man be punished.

I have literally no idea why people believe this burden of proof should apply to any repercussions other than those imposed by the criminal justice system itself. In doing something like this, I think you have your incentives precisely backwards.
 

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Goodell announces 3pm presser.

I sure hope he addresses the monstrosity that is the Thursday night game on 3 days rest.
 

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http://www.aol.com/article/2014/10/06/report-minnesota-vikings-rb-adrian-peterson-funded-orgy-for-underage-brother/20973301/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing9%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D541129
 
 
Report: Minnesota Vikings RB Adrian Peterson funded orgy for underage brother with charity money
 
The carousing was detailed in a 38-page police report filed after the four women, Peterson, his brother and the other relative spent hours arguing, drinking and having sex in the hotel room.

A rape charge stemming from the night revealed that Peterson's underage brother had sex with at least one of the women as Peterson and Chris Brown, the other relative, passed the females around like party favors, police said.

One of the women, upset after seeing the two-time MVP having sex with another female, argued with him for about an hour, according to the Star-Tribune, which cited the police report.
 
 
 
Not exactly football related, but there's no chance he plays football again. This more or less seals it, you'd have to think.
 

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Curll said:
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/10/06/report-minnesota-vikings-rb-adrian-peterson-funded-orgy-for-underage-brother/20973301/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing9%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D541129
 
 
Not exactly football related, but there's no chance he plays football again. This more or less seals it, you'd have to think.
 
The way this story's been reported is pretty hilarious. He paid for a hotel room with a credit card attached to his charity. Somehow, that equals "funding an orgy."
 

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And then that room was used for 3 dudes to pass around 4 women...
 

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http://www.aol.com/article/2014/10/06/report-minnesota-vikings-rb-adrian-peterson-funded-orgy-for-underage-brother/20973301/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing9%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D541129
 
 
Not exactly football related, but there's no chance he plays football again. This more or less seals it, you'd have to think.
Not sure he never plays again; he's pretty damn good and would probably play pretty cheap. All it would take one contender with a RB injury after he's reinstated and he'd be back.
 

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And then that room was used for 3 dudes to pass around 4 women...
 
Look, the dude seems like a scumbag. But he paid for a hotel room. An orgy took place inside of the hotel room. Unless the women were prostitutes and he used the same credit card to pay them, I find that description a little disingenuous. It's a scummy thing to do either way, but I think the line being drawn between the charity and the orgy is a little too clear.
 

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Look, the dude seems like a scumbag. But he paid for a hotel room. An orgy took place inside of the hotel room. Unless the women were prostitutes and he used the same credit card to pay them, I find that description a little disingenuous. It's a scummy thing to do either way, but I think the line being drawn between the charity and the orgy is a little too clear.
 
I'm responding mostly because I'm bored and it's not 5 pm, but the story is reporting that he used charity money (he did, it was a charity credit card) to pay for an orgy (kind of a "gotcha" word, sure, but the definition is a wild party with excessive amounts of sex--3 dudes passing around 4 girls *seems* to qualify--an orgy doesn't mean you have to pay for prostitutes).
 
The story was written to be sensationalized, but I don't think the facts are really wrong here.
 


Seriously?  What do you think is abnormal about this?  The credit card or the orgy?
 
Charity credit card paying for underage brother to get laid by multiple women? I'm not trying to be a prude here, but if AP was ever going to come back, he was going to have to turn the PR hit around 180 degrees. This won't do that.
 
 

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WAIT. You mean to tell me a star NFL player who could be the father of 7 children (and didn't met one until after he died) is having sex with multiple women?
 
I am shocked!
 
Next, you're going to tell me rock bands in the 60s smoked weed and Santa doesn't exist....
 

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WAIT. You mean to tell me a star NFL player who could be the father of 7 children (and didn't met one until after he died) is having sex with multiple women?
 
I am shocked!
 
Next, you're going to tell me rock bands in the 60s smoked weed and Santa doesn't exist....
 
I don't think anyone is shocked at AP doing that at all. 
 

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I don't really give a shit what AP or anyone else does with their free time.  If he wants to have sex with multiple, legal-age women, good for him.  But that isn't the point of the story and it's like some of you guys are ignoring what Drew is saying.  The point isn't what he did.  It's that he had his charity pay for it.  Is that the worst thing in the world?  Of course not.  But it's stupid (and possibly illegal- what do I know) and it can't help his image or his efforts to get back on the field.
 

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WAIT. You mean to tell me a star NFL player who could be the father of 7 children (and didn't met one until after he died) is having sex with multiple women?
 
I am shocked!
 
Next, you're going to tell me rock bands in the 60s smoked weed and Santa doesn't exist....
 
Let's all kind of pump the breaks on this one.
 
Peterson did know the son who died, although he (and nobody else) knew he was the father until recently before he died, and he did try and be a part of the kid's life.
 
Peterson was not the person reported to be involved in the orgy.
 
Peterson was also not the one who paid for the hotel room. His brother was reportedly an "employee" of the charity and used his own Corporate Credit Card to pay for the room.
 
Peterson was the face of a charity that employed his brother and seems to have had a very low percentage of the money go to the cause and a high percentage going to high level employees. This is, sadly, pretty par for the course for professional athletes. They're often approached by people to start and be the public face of charities, and do fund raisers, often with the lure of well paying jobs for relatives, and are usually barely involved with the day to day operations of the charity. Here's a report in the Chicago Tribune on how athletes' charities usually wind up in this scenario. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-12-21/sports/ct-sports-charities-spt-1222-20131221_1_charities-charitable-efforts-wise-giving-alliance
 
As awful as what Peterson did to his children, this is unrelated, unfortunate, and pretty par for the course as far as celebrity charities go.
 

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Let's all kind of pump the breaks on this one.
 
Peterson did know the son who died, although he (and nobody else) knew he was the father until recently before he died, and he did try and be a part of the kid's life.
 
Peterson was not the person reported to be involved in the orgy.
 
Peterson was also not the one who paid for the hotel room. His brother was reportedly an "employee" of the charity and used his own Corporate Credit Card to pay for the room.
 
Peterson was the face of a charity that employed his brother and seems to have had a very low percentage of the money go to the cause and a high percentage going to high level employees. This is, sadly, pretty par for the course for professional athletes. They're often approached by people to start and be the public face of charities, and do fund raisers, often with the lure of well paying jobs for relatives, and are usually barely involved with the day to day operations of the charity. Here's a report in the Chicago Tribune on how athletes' charities usually wind up in this scenario. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-12-21/sports/ct-sports-charities-spt-1222-20131221_1_charities-charitable-efforts-wise-giving-alliance
 
As awful as what Peterson did to his children, this is unrelated, unfortunate, and pretty par for the course as far as celebrity charities go.
 
The last reports I read stated pretty clearly that Peterson was involved with the orgy.
 
 
 
It uncovered allegations of money raised by his charity foundation never going to the intended recipients, as well as accusations that a relative used a foundation credit card to pay for hotel rooms for an orgy involving Peterson and a group of women.
 
The police report, which runs 38 pages, describes a night of drinking, arguing and sex that involved the running back, two relatives — including Peterson’s brother, a minor — and four women.
 
Also, is fraud par for the course?
 
 
In 2009, the charity said its largest gift, $70,000, went to Straight From the Heart Ministries in Laurel, Md. But Donna Farley, president and founder of the Maryland organization, said it never received any money from Peterson's foundation. "There have been no outside [contributions] other than people in my own circle," said Farley. "Adrian Peterson - definitely not."
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
 
The last reports I read stated pretty clearly that Peterson was involved with the orgy.
 
 
 
 
Also, is fraud par for the course?
 
 
 
According to Adrian Peterson on Twitter, the fraud you're pointing out was an accounting error that has since been corroborated by ESPN. The donation was made to a charity of the same name in California, and a CPA mistakenly identified it as the MD company. Not sure the validity of that, but that's the story he's telling at least.
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
 
The last reports I read stated pretty clearly that Peterson was involved with the orgy.
 
 
 
 
Also, is fraud par for the course?
 
 
 
To the reports that Peterson was involved, the WaPo article is news to me. I'm wrong on that one.
 
To the fraud, sadly yes. A high number have "unaccounted funds", and their charitable donations are often nowhere close to as stated.
 
From the article I linked:
 
 
But, as reported by the Tribune in 2010, the charity lost its way. Zorich, who retired in 1997, told the Tribune he lost track of the charity's finances. Under investigation by prosecutors, Zorich eventually agreed to pay back almost $350,000 to state authorities to make up for unaccounted funds.
 
From this OTL Piece: http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9125446/rethink-giving-athlete-charities
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9109024/top-athletes-charities-often-measure-charity-experts-say-efficient-effective-use-money
 
That mystery was heightened by an eye-opening report on Sunday's "Outside the Lines," which found that 74 percent of 115 athlete charities investigated fell short of acceptable nonprofit standards used by the top three charity watchdogs. Odom's charity, named for his mother, who died of cancer when Lamar was 12, was highlighted as one of the most egregious offenders.
 

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
 
According to Adrian Peterson on Twitter, the fraud you're pointing out was an accounting error that has since been corroborated by ESPN. The donation was made to a charity of the same name in California, and a CPA mistakenly identified it as the MD company. Not sure the validity of that, but that's the story he's telling at least.
 
Ah, thank you.
 

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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/520292040081686529
 
Is that really enough to arrest someone?
 
I suppose it is when you're out on bond awaiting trial. What an idiot
 

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CONROE, Texas (FOX 26) - Montgomery County prosecutors have filed documents to have suspended Minnesota Vikings player Adrian Peterson arrested again after he admitted to using drugs in violation of his bond conditions, FOX 26 News has learned.  
 
Court records show while giving his urine sample Wednesday Peterson admitted to a staffer he had 'smoked a little weed' before the test. As a result of that, the Montgomery County District Attorney has asked the judge in this case to set aside Peterson's $15,000 bond and have him arrested again. However, there won't likely be any action on Thursday because the current judge presiding over Peterson's case is facing a recusal hearing scheduled to take place on Friday morning.
 
Peterson's attorney Rusty Hardin has not been available for comment.
 
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/26748108/adrian-peterson-could-be-arrested-again-on-drug-violation?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
 

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I find it amusing (and sloppy) that they didn't put quotes around "smoked a little weed."
 
"Your honor, Defendant smoked a little weed!"
"Mr. Peterson, did you, or did you not, smoke a little weed?"
 

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and aren't we past the point where we don't need to say "weed" is a common slang term for marijuana?  i think it is common knowledge at this point.
 

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I enjoy the consectutive subordinate clauses beginning with the word "and," as well as the completely random use of the semicolon in the immediately preceding sentence. Also, I gotta ask, is "prays" a Texas thing?
 

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No.  "Prayer for relief" is a standard part of a motion.
 

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Its a poorly worded and needlessly ambiguous motion,  but it gets the job done and that's all you need in at the state level in criminal court. 
 

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I don't expect these guys to be any smarter than the average guy, but Jesus, he's a moron.
 

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Adrian's writing a new verse. "I was gonna go to the Hall of Fame... I was gonna beat these charges... I was gonna clear my name.... Now I'm in the penitentiary, and I know why..."
 

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Its a poorly worded and needlessly ambiguous motion,  but it gets the job done and that's all you need in at the state level in criminal court. 
Lawyer throwdown!!
 

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http://www.startribune.com/local/280108652.html
 
 
A Texas judge swept aside a possible block Wednesday to a Dec. 1 trial for Minnesota Vikings MVP Adrian Peterson’s felony child abuse case.
 
Retired Texas Judge Jeff Walker declined the prosecution’s request to take Judge Kelly Case off the case.
 
Montgomery County, Texas, prosecutors had claimed Case is biased against their office. District Attorney Brett Ligon noted that Case had recently referred to him as a “media whore.” Peterson’s defense attorneys wanted to keep Case on the bench, saying the prosecutor hadn’t met the high standard necessary to remove the judge.
 
 
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/04/peterson-will-plead-no-contest/
 
 

Peterson will plead no contest to misdemeanor
Posted by Mike Florio on November 4, 2014, 10:53 AM EST

With fewer than four weeks until the start of his trial on felony child-abuse charges, Vikings running back Adrian Peterson will reach an agreement today to resolve the case.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Peterson will plead no contest to one count of misdemeanor reckless assault.  The plea will not include reference to family violence or violence against a minor.
If the agreement is accepted by Judge Kelly Case, Peterson will pay a $2,000 fine, be placed on probation, and perform 80 hours of community service.  Technically, the adjudication of the case will be deferred for two years.
The next question becomes whether the NFL will impose a suspension on Peterson above and beyond the eight games he already has missed with pay.  Although Peterson agreed to the existing arrangement, the paid suspension helped the league and the team avoid a major P.R. mess.  Unless he would be suspended more than eight games for the incident, he should be reinstated for Minnesota’s next game against the Bears.
 

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The plea will not include reference to family violence or violence against a minor.
 
 
That's a very specific exclusion. I assume that's meant to avoid the NFL's new domestic violence automatic suspension. If Goodell wants to keep him suspended, he's going to have to make a decision and not just point to his rule. 
 

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NFL Suspends Adrian Peterson For The Rest Of The Season

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Amid a weeks-long battle over Adrian Peterson's potential reinstatement, the NFL has decided to push the issue to its end game. The league announced today that Peterson will be suspended without pay for the final six games of the 2014 season—a punishment he will almost certainly appeal.

The NFL's release on the suspension includes quotes from Roger Goodell.

In a letter to Peterson, Commissioner Roger Goodell said, "The timing of your potential reinstatement will be based on the results of the counseling and treatment program set forth in this decision. Under this two-step approach, the precise length of the suspension will depend on your actions. We are prepared to put in place a program that can help you to succeed, but no program can succeed without your genuine and continuing engagement. You must commit yourself to your counseling and rehabilitative effort, properly care for your children, and have no further violations of law or league policy."

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In his letter, Commissioner Goodell identified several aggravating circumstances present in this case:

"First, the injury was inflicted on a child who was only four years old. The difference in size and strength between you and the child is significant, and your actions clearly caused physical injury to the child. While an adult may have a number of options when confronted with abuse – to flee, to fight back, or to seek help from law enforcement – none of those options is realistically available to a four-year old child. Further, the injury inflicted on your son includes the emotional and psychological trauma to a young child who suffers criminal physical abuse at the hands of his father.

"Second, the repetitive use of a switch in this instance is the functional equivalent of a weapon, particularly in the hands of someone with the strength of an accomplished professional athlete.

"Third, you have shown no meaningful remorse for your conduct. When indicted, you acknowledged what you did but said that you would not 'eliminate whooping my kids' and defended your conduct in numerous published text messages to the child's mother. You also said that you felt 'very confident with my actions because I know my intent.' These comments raise the serious concern that you do not fully appreciate the seriousness of your conduct, or even worse, that you may feel free to engage in similar conduct in the future."
http://deadspin.com/nfl-suspends-adrian-peterson-for-the-rest-of-the-season-1660048905?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Letter from Goodell is gold.
 

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Goodell is such an ass.  Whether you agree with Peterson being suspended for the year or not, having to listen to this jackass with zero integrity tell other people how poorly they acted makes me ill.
 

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I actually like the letter in and of itself as it pertains to Peterson, but when you compare it to the way Rice was handled, particularly the "adults can run away" part, it becomes painful.
 

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I'm sure this will take us all back to the discussion on corporal punishment, but is anyone even a little concerned that this could lead to the NFL involving itself in parenting issues?  I mean, what if Peterson hadn't used a switch, but rather his big, huge, strong hand?  And what if, instead of welts from the switch, he left giant red marks on the child?  Does that make it substantially better?  
 
I don't pretend to know the answers here.  I read the post above and see Goodell's words, and it seems to me that he's telling Peterson how to parent.  
 
I don't think any of us disagree that Peterson abused his child.  It seems abundantly clear that he did, and I am in favor of whatever punishment the law deems necessary in this case.  
 
But Goodell's words really smacked (no pun intended) of "Let me tell you what you are doing wrong as a parent", and not simply "Hey Adrian, you were found guilty of child abuse".  
 

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I can see some potential for the slippery slope but in this case, AP comitted a crime, admitted it, and basically said he'd do it again.
Child abuse is a crime so i don't know that it's the league legislating parenting techniques as much as punishing someone for a crime.
It's not like he's suspending him for co-sleeping or for not breastfeeding
 

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Kindve ironic that Peterson is filing a legal appeal claiming that hes being disiplined too harshly
 

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I can't really disagree with this:
 
 
"The decision by the NFL to suspend Adrian Peterson is another example of the credibility gap that exists between the agreements they make and the actions they take. Since Adrian's legal matter was adjudicated, the NFL has ignored their obligations and attempted to impose a new and arbitrary disciplinary proceeding," the union said in a statement.
 
"The facts are that Adrian has asked for a meeting with Roger Goodell, the discipline imposed is inconsistent and an NFL executive told Adrian that his time on the Commissioner's list would be considered as time served."
 
The union confirmed they would appeal the decision and would demand a neutral arbitrator oversee said appeal.
 
Additionally, the union called for the Management Council to do whatever was necessary to make changes
 
"We call on the NFL Management Council to show our players and our sponsors leadership by committing to collective bargaining so a fair personal conduct policy can be implemented as quickly as possible."