Adrian Klemm heads back to New England

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huge upgrade either way,

Interested to see if he will have some influence on the offense and not just OL.
 

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Very refreshing change of pace from last off-season's clandestine coaching staffing so far. It will be interesting to see what AK can bring to the run game in addition to making Mac comfortable. He's also primed to learn from BOB and take over if he decides to go for a HC opportunity.
 

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Interesting--there was talk last week that Orgeon's HC said that he didn't expect any staff changes.
 

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Very refreshing change of pace from last off-season's clandestine coaching staffing so far. It will be interesting to see what AK can bring to the run game in addition to making Mac comfortable. He's also primed to learn from BOB and take over if he decides to go for a HC opportunity.
Yes, it's also reassuring to see that Belichek either clearly saw all this was needed or the message was otherwise relayed, i.e. there was no obstinance.
 

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Lazar's take: Report: Patriots to Add Former Oregon Offensive Line Coach Adrian Klemm to Coaching Staff

Although O'Brien also orchestrates the offense from a blocking perspective, Klemm helped design an Oregon rushing attack that wanted to set a physical tone. The Ducks used a variety of formations, motions, shifts, and an up-tempo spread system to keep the defense off-balance. From a run game standpoint, they were an inside zone-based attack that mixed in power and counter schemes in their gun-run approach, while run-pass options were also featured prominently.

After O'Brien's two-year stint at Alabama and time spent as the head coach at Penn State, the Patriots bringing in another offensive mind with a college background is enticing. New schemes often trickle up from the college game to the NFL, so Klemm and O'Brien could bring new wrinkles and flavor to a system that has been somewhat stale recently.
 

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Alex Barth: The Patriots have reportedly filled the last big opening on their offensive coaching staff

Last season at Oregon, Klemm, 45, coached an offensive line that allowed just five sacks in 13 games – the fewest in college football. As run game coordinator, he also helped come up with a play action package that resulted in quarterback Bo Nix leading the nation with a 143.9 passer rating on such plays. That should excite Patriots fans, after the team struggled with play action in 2022.
His early departure from Pittsburgh sounded dubious, but this sure sounds promising.
 

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Klemm was drafted by the Pats in round 2 in 2000, 4 rounds ahead of some other guy who worked out a bit better.

He has been a coach now for 15 (!) years while his more famous draft classmate just hung em up.
 

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Alex Barth: The Patriots have reportedly filled the last big opening on their offensive coaching staff


His early departure from Pittsburgh sounded dubious, but this sure sounds promising.
I don't love the early departure from Pittsburgh, but Bedard is making kind of a thing about that which leads me to believe it's nothing to worry about.

Not every coaching hire is a home run but unless there's an obvious question mark (like with Judge and Patricia) it's basically impossible to judge whether he's a good hire or not.
 

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Alex Barth: The Patriots have reportedly filled the last big opening on their offensive coaching staff


His early departure from Pittsburgh sounded dubious, but this sure sounds promising.
from the BoB thread:

Not a great track record at Pittsburgh based on PFF rankings. No idea what else was going on with Steelers at the time though.

working as their assistant offensive line coach in 2019 and 2020 before getting promoted to being their offensive line coach in 2021. Pittsburgh’s offensive line graded out as the ninth-best offensive line in 2019, but took a step back in 2020 (17th) before falling to 26th in 2021 (via Pro Football Focus). Klemm left the Steelers with two games left in the 2021 season to go to Oregon.
 

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Pittsburgh's line was bad because their better players retired, got hurt, and they played with scrubs. Blaming their line play on Klemm is unfair given who they actually had in the trenches.
 

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Pittsburgh's line was bad because their better players retired, got hurt, and they played with scrubs. Blaming their line play on Klemm is unfair given who they actually had in the trenches.
Yeah, look at the line he had in 2021:

2019: Villanueva (16), Foster (14), Pouncey (13), Decastro (16), Feiler (16)

2020: Villanueva (16), Feiler (13), Pouncey (13), Decastro (13), Okorafor (15)

2021: Moore (16-ROOKIE), Dotson (9), Green (16-ROOKIE), Turner (7), Revolving door

Green didn't play a down last year after moving to guard and not beating out Kevin Dotson for the job.
 

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Always good to see BB hire a creative football mind, especially at a position group that underachieved badly last year between the inept coaching and injuries.
 

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from the BoB thread:

Not a great track record at Pittsburgh based on PFF rankings. No idea what else was going on with Steelers at the time though.
Yeah, look at the line he had in 2021:

2019: Villanueva (16), Foster (14), Pouncey (13), Decastro (16), Feiler (16)

2020: Villanueva (16), Feiler (13), Pouncey (13), Decastro (13), Okorafor (15)

2021: Moore (16-ROOKIE), Dotson (9), Green (16-ROOKIE), Turner (7), Revolving door

Green didn't play a down last year after moving to guard and not beating out Kevin Dotson for the job.
Im more excited about this move than the BoB one.

But not because I think he's an awesome offensive line coach. I'm not going to pretend to have any idea how good he is at his job. An offensive line coach is so impacted by everything around him, its really difficult to parse out a good one from a bad one without a long track record (*cough* Patriots have only won SB's with Scarnecchia and had to pull him out of a 3-year retirement to fix their offensive line problems *cough*)

And it isn't just about how successful the line is, or the players on the line (as alluded to with the above stats).

Yes, the O-line coaches job is to lead the offensive line practice, work with them on drills, work on each players weaknesses, etc.

But the role is also to work with the offensive coordinator on determining what plays to use for the upcoming game. To understand the defense, how it attacks, where the weaknesses are with his players - This player is going to have trouble with the nose's strength, they stunt 40% of the time and our guard has trouble passing assignments, etc - and to help build the plays around all that information. And while thats true for all positional coaches, the offensive line coach should have the most pull with the offensive coordinator when building out gameplans.

So, yes, of course if a line is performing poorly, thats a big part of his role. But so much rides on the relationship with the offensive coordinator, the plays at their disposal, the strength and composition of the rest of the offense - "we have no pass catching backs, but our linemen are mobile and can get downfield for screen blocks...wtf are we doing?" - and so many other things, that I think its really, really difficult to gauge how good an offensive line coach is from the outside looking in. I think its one of the few times we really just have to trust his reputation around the league and with his former colleagues. If everyone thinks hes smart and will be successful, thats a good sign for us.

It'll be interesting to see how he and BOB work together. In relation to the teams weaknesses last season, I think it'll be one of the most important relationships on the team this year. O'Brien comes off as stubborn and hard-headed, but hes also been around the block for a while now. Hopefully he understands how to let the coaches under him cook.

Either way, I'm just excited that we're getting a good blend of guys with experience (BOB) and guys on the rise (Klemm).
 

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But not because I think he's an awesome offensive line coach. I'm not going to pretend to have any idea how good he is at his job. An offensive line coach is so impacted by everything around him, its really difficult to parse out a good one from a bad one without a long track record (*cough* Patriots have only won SB's with Scarnecchia and had to pull him out of a 3-year retirement to fix their offensive line problems *cough*)
Deguglielmo was the OL coach in 2014 when they won.
 

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Deguglielmo has had one of the stranger coaching careers that I can remember. He's had 7 different jobs since getting fired by BB in 2016, coaching OL in SD, IND, Miami (two separate stints under different coaches), NYJ, NYG, Louisiana Tech and was just let go by BC this week.
 

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According to wiki he was. For whatever that’s worth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_New_England_Patriots_season
Sorry, worded poorly by me. I meant that Scar was not the line coach, but was still active with the team (workouts and consulting throughout the season).

And, judging Gug's seasons without Scar and the near decade of failure since, I'd say Scar may have had more of an impact on the 2014 team than people want to give him credit for.
 

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Didn't Scar give him his seal of approval? If so that is enough for me. Also, how long do we have to wait for Scar to be considered for Patriots Hall of Fame?