Aaron Nola back to Phillies: 7 years/$172 million

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ERA+ says Nola has been a below-average pitcher for two of the past three seasons and is 30 years old. Fortunately, Dave Dombrowski has always made smart decisions when re-signing starting pitchers, so this should be fine.
 

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I mean I get he's an innings eater, but turns 31 mid-season, seems to be regressing and, well, has pitched a lot of innings. I guess that's the market these days.
 
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Seems like most of the projections I've seen had Nola getting 5 or 6 years but at a higher salary.
None of these had him getting 7:

Athletic: $180M/6 ($30M per)

NY Post Heyman and 2 "unnamed experts": Expert 1: $175M, 5 years ($35m per). Expert 2: $140M/5 ($28M per). Heyman: $168M/6 ($28M per)

MLBTR: $150M/6 ($25M per)

Sportrac: $140m/6 ($23M per)


Despite the slightly lower AAV he got, I'm concerned that him being off the market already and staying in Philly is going to make the other starters even more expensive now. There were definitely teams that were going to make him a big offer who will now move on to other starters.
 
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Seems like most of the projections I've seen had Nola getting 5 or 6 years but at a higher salary.
None of these had him getting 7:

Athletic: $180M/6 ($30M per)

NY Post Heyman and 2 "unnamed experts": Expert 1: $175M, 5 years ($35m per). Expert 2: $140M/5 ($28M per). Heyman: $168M/6 ($28M per)

MLBTR: $150M/6 ($25M per)

Sportrac: $140m/6 ($23M per)
Total amount of the contract is pretty much consistent with the upper estimated guesses. Nola probably knows there's not likely to be a big contract after this one, so stretching it out over seven years instead of five or six probably doesn't make much difference to him.
 

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Glad one of the big names has dropped, glad too that the Sox aren't paying that. Hopefully it lets Dave chill out on the other big stuff the rest of the offseason.
 

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Wouldn't his performance the past 3 years also be?

The more recent numbers kind of remind me of Porcello, coincidentally.
Reminds you of Porcello? Nola has had a 10.3 K/9 over the past three years. His FIP is 3.31. he's missing bats without walking people while playing in front of a terrible defense.
 

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I'd be thrilled if we'd gotten him on this contract. He has the third highest IP in the game over the past three seasons. That's value well beyond his ERA+ and WAR numbers.
 

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Nola is a true ace in a league with very few of them, I think he's a really valuable guy even if his ERA+ is iffy.
 

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Less than I expected, but I'm ok with him going back to Philly. Keeps him out of NY and doesn't cost us anything. Yamamoto and either Snell or a trade for Burnes and I'm beyond thrilled. That said, @Kliq ain't wrong, Nola is a valuable guy and I would've been ok at $24M AAV. If we can get Yamamoto at ~$26-27M AAV and Snell for a little less than Nola, it's money better spent than all of that on Ohtani.
 

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Hasn’t missed a start in 6 years, worst FiP in a season is 4.03. BB rate around 2, K rate over 10. There are no sure things, but he’s a darn good pitcher and this seems like a fair deal.
 

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I'd be thrilled if we'd gotten him on this contract. He has the third highest IP in the game over the past three seasons. That's value well beyond his ERA+ and WAR numbers.
Here's my question on this...If Yamamoto is the primary target, is there room to bring in Nola on this contract first? We don't know what the bidding war for YY is going to look like or how high the Sox are willing to go to bring him in. I think that's why so many here and elsewhere seem to be leaning toward bringing in YY or another of the top tier FAs and looking for a trade partner to bring in another.
 

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Nola turned down more money elsewhere to go back to PHI, I don't think he was an actual option for other teams at any point.
 

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Dave doesn’t really let big time pitchers get away, even if it’s a “bad” contract. Dude doesn’t give AF about the details, just wants the player.

It’s a good pitcher off the board, so this isn’t a good thing, it’s also not a contract I’d be thrilled to give out.
 

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Looks like DD got a small hometown discount for a good pitcher who has had great success in Philly. That's good work.

I understand folks are uncomfortable with how the market has been developing over the last couple of years, and I am too, but it is what it is.
 

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Hasn’t missed a start in 6 years, worst FiP in a season is 4.03. BB rate around 2, K rate over 10. There are no sure things, but he’s a darn good pitcher and this seems like a fair deal.
1.5 HR/9 last year, which was the driver of that ERA well above 4. Finished 2nd in the NL in homers allowed. He apparently made some adjustments late in the season and his last few starts showed some improvement, but at age 31 I wouldn't want the Sox committing to him for 7 years.
 

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Looks like DD got a small hometown discount for a good pitcher who has had great success in Philly. That's good work.

I understand folks are uncomfortable with how the market has been developing over the last couple of years, and I am too, but it is what it is.
Yep, thats the deep end of the pool and DD knows how to play in it. Breslow gets a chance to show he can too, but this representing the hometown deal doesn't speak well for the next set of contracts.

Winning whoever they are only happens if you splash so much money that even other billionaire owners had to blink.
 

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Nola turned down more money elsewhere to go back to PHI, I don't think he was an actual option for other teams at any point.
Is there reporting that he took less to stay with the Phillies? The only #s higher than that I saw are what his camp was asking for.
 

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It’s Jon Heyman, so ‘reporting’, but:

“Nola met with other teams and turned down more $ to remain in Philly. Teams love Nola for his dependability, but Philly players love Philly.”

View: https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1726286590056800679?s=12
Yeah, who knows? It sounds good for everyone to say that, though, I guess.

The Athletic article doesn't really say one way or the other.

In February, when the two sides opened negotiations but stalled, Nola’s camp was seeking more than $200 million, according to multiple major-league sources. Through free agency, Nola was able to see how other teams valued him. It’s unlikely any club reached the $200 million threshold.
https://theathletic.com/5075230/2023/11/19/aaron-nola-phillies-172-million-contract/
 

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It’s Jon Heyman, so ‘reporting’, but:

“Nola met with other teams and turned down more $ to remain in Philly. Teams love Nola for his dependability, but Philly players love Philly.”

View: https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1726286590056800679?s=12
He could have had an offer for 7/173 and technically he'd have been turning down more money. Unless we hear actual numbers for what he turned down, this feels more like agent smokescreen to pump up the market than an altruistic gesture by Nola.
 

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No one is more dubious about Heyman than me but I’ve been saying here for months that the market for the top handful of SPs is going to be nuts.

Nola pretty clearly wanted to stay in PHI, understandably as it seems like a very fun situation but the more open that guys are to just going to whoever bids the most, the more they’re going to get.

“Can confirm @JonHeyman’s report that Nola turned down better deals (more money) to stay in Philadelphia.”

View: https://twitter.com/byalexcoffey/status/1726288237101253008
 

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1.5 HR/9 last year, which was the driver of that ERA well above 4. Finished 2nd in the NL in homers allowed. He apparently made some adjustments late in the season and his last few starts showed some improvement, but at age 31 I wouldn't want the Sox committing to him for 7 years.
I don’t really disagree, but acquiring one or two front line starters is going to involve spending money or giving players we aren’t comfortable moving. You can wait and see who will end up signing for what you are comfortable with, but then you end up with Corey Kluber.
 

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I don’t really disagree, but acquiring one or two front line starters is going to involve spending money or giving players we aren’t comfortable moving. You can wait and see who will end up signing for what you are comfortable with, but then you end up with Corey Kluber.
If reports are correct, Eovaldi came back asking if the original offer was on the table, and was told it was gone because Kluber.

So maybe they jumped too early on Kluber?
 

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If reports are correct, Eovaldi came back asking if the original offer was on the table, and was told it was gone because Kluber.

So maybe they jumped too early on Kluber?
Eovaldi signed his Rangers deal a couple weeks before Kluber was officially announced by Boston (12/27/22 vs 1/12/23), so it wasn't Kluber specifically that removed the original offer from the table. In the interim between Eovaldi turning down the offer and signing with Texas, the Sox signed Yoshida, Jansen and Martin and reportedly came to terms with Turner and Kluber. Presumably the money initially allocated for Eovaldi was re-distributed amongst all those deals.
 

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Eovaldi signed his Rangers deal a couple weeks before Kluber was officially announced by Boston (12/27/22 vs 1/12/23), so it wasn't Kluber specifically that removed the original offer from the table. In the interim between Eovaldi turning down the offer and signing with Texas, the Sox signed Yoshida, Jansen and Martin and reportedly came to terms with Turner and Kluber. Presumably the money initially allocated for Eovaldi was re-distributed amongst all those deals.
Thanks for the clarity.

Not much you can do when you correctly peg the market but the player realizes it too late.

At least Nate got a WS championship, so I doubt he regrets it.
 

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If reports are correct, Eovaldi came back asking if the original offer was on the table, and was told it was gone because Kluber.

So maybe they jumped too early on Kluber?
I insist the President of Baseball Ops responsible for this be fired immediately!
 

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Eovaldi signed his Rangers deal a couple weeks before Kluber was officially announced by Boston (12/27/22 vs 1/12/23), so it wasn't Kluber specifically that removed the original offer from the table. In the interim between Eovaldi turning down the offer and signing with Texas, the Sox signed Yoshida, Jansen and Martin and reportedly came to terms with Turner and Kluber. Presumably the money initially allocated for Eovaldi was re-distributed amongst all those deals.
Eovaldi came to terms with the Rangers on 12/27; the Red Sox came to terms with Kluber on 12/28, they just didn’t formally announce it until much later.

View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10059975-red-sox-rumors-corey-kluber-bos-agree-to-1-year-10m-contract-with-option-for-2024
 

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No one is more dubious about Heyman than me but I’ve been saying here for months that the market for the top handful of SPs is going to be nuts.

Nola pretty clearly wanted to stay in PHI, understandably as it seems like a very fun situation but the more open that guys are to just going to whoever bids the most, the more they’re going to get.

“Can confirm @JonHeyman’s report that Nola turned down better deals (more money) to stay in Philadelphia.”

View: https://twitter.com/byalexcoffey/status/1726288237101253008
Here's some more reporting on #s. AAV definitely much better on that Braves offer. Idk how many years the Dodgers one was.

View: https://twitter.com/StoolBaseball/status/1726640294282854430

View: https://twitter.com/ScottLauber/status/1726575005214122059
 

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Isn’t 172 more than 162 and 165, though?
So based on that, the reports he turned down better deals were, at best, playing with semantics. Higher AAV certainly, but not more money.
Personally, if I had an equal interest in being two places (or if the same team offered me both contracts), I would take 6/$162m over 7/$172m for several reasons. Too lazy to do a present value calculation but I'm guessing that getting $27m per year for 6 years is probably going to be worth as much or more than $24.57m for 7 years. & regardless of that, I would like to think that I could go back out there at 36 & make at least $10m.

Plus it says the Braves offer wasn't final & apparently there was another team in the mix with a big offer, so it's quite possible those #s would have gone higher. So I think it's fair to say he probably took a small hometown discount to keep playing somewhere he was comfortable & to get that full no-trade clause, which has value in its own right because it allows you to basically pick any future destinations.