Aaron Hernandez Trial (Odin Lloyd)

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Kevin Armstrong ‏@KevinGArmstrong  2m2 minutes ago
Aaron Hernandez has been transferred from Walpole, Mass. to more permanent home of Souza Baranowski Correctional.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

I enjoy the fact that this scumbag's "vacation" will be the appeal and the next murder trial, in whatever order. 

 

[smastroyin]

Don't forget the wrongful death civil suit(s)

 

[Rovin Romine]

I enjoy the fact that this scumbag's "vacation" will be the appeal and the next murder trial, in whatever order. 

 
He can always try for some vandalism, etc. and hope he'll be charged and tried for that.  Another courtroom, another trip outside the walls. 

 

[Ferm Sheller]

I remember when I was pissed at Edelman for falling on the back of Hernandez's leg, which caused Hernandez to miss several games. What a shame it was for a player of reduced value to cause an injury to his far more valuable teammate.

 

[theapportioner]

 
He can always try for some vandalism, etc. and hope he'll be charged and tried for that.  Another courtroom, another trip outside the walls. 

 
Could always fake a heart attack or other serious medical condition. Might get a trip to the hospital out of it.

 

[Kevin Youkulele]

 
Could always fake a heart attack or other serious medical condition. Might get a trip to the hospital out of it.

This has been tried (in an attempt to get a mistrial, actually, so arguably AH is behind the curve).
http://www.loweringthebar.net/2008/07/poorly-faked-he.html (with video)

 

[Rovin Romine]

 
Could always fake a heart attack or other serious medical condition. Might get a trip to the hospital out of it.

 
I think Rev/noRev might be the best man to respond to "how prisons are structured" questions, but I believe prisons often have a sort of "first cut" medical care.   Usually transfers to hospitals are to a dedicated secure wing, which could be better or worse than prison, depending on the prisoner and the specifics.   
 
If you misbehave in prison there's usually an incentive not to encourage the misbehavior.  You can always add more time - but what do you do for a lifer?  If a lifer breaks a sprinkler head, why "reward" him with a trip to the local county court where he'll get 90 extra days on top of the 250 years?  I do know there are administrative punishments in prison - possibly very psychologically severe ones if the small luxuries of prison life are all you have and could ever hope to have.  Perhaps some of those penalties need a conviction to secure or justify them?  I vaguely remember that sort of thing being an issue on a case I had. 
 
Personally, I deal more with temporary incarceration facilities (jails, courthouse holding cells, etc.)  My prison knowledge is very ad hoc, and probably not the most balanced view, given that a lot of this stuff can vary state to state.  
 
In any event, lifers have nothing better to do than game the system, so it makes sense that the system has significant ability to curtail gamesmanship.
 
Any lurkers want to chip in?  One corrections officer out there must be among us.  

 

[edoug]

 
I think Rev/noRev might be the best man to respond to "how prisons are structured" questions, but I believe prisons often have a sort of "first cut" medical care.   Usually transfers to hospitals are to a dedicated secure wing, which could be better or worse than prison, depending on the prisoner and the specifics.   
 
If you misbehave in prison there's usually an incentive not to encourage the misbehavior.  You can always add more time - but what do you do for a lifer?  If a lifer breaks a sprinkler head, why "reward" him with a trip to the local county court where he'll get 90 extra days on top of the 250 years?  I do know there are administrative punishments in prison - possibly very psychologically severe ones if the small luxuries of prison life are all you have and could ever hope to have.  Perhaps some of those penalties need a conviction to secure or justify them?  I vaguely remember that sort of thing being an issue on a case I had. 
 
Personally, I deal more with temporary incarceration facilities (jails, courthouse holding cells, etc.)  My prison knowledge is very ad hoc, and probably not the most balanced view, given that a lot of this stuff can vary state to state.  
 
In any event, lifers have nothing better to do than game the system, so it makes sense that the system has significant ability to curtail gamesmanship.
 
Any lurkers want to chip in?  One corrections officer out there must be among us.  

They can take his visitation rights. At his new home he's allowed three a week. 
http://www.inquisitr.com/2035032/aaron-hernandez-moved-to-new-prison-life-inside-souza-baranowski-torture-for-ex-patriots-player/

 

[theapportioner]

At Bellevue Hospital in NYC, there's an entire locked-down floor pretty much dedicated to inmates, mostly from Rikers. My understanding is that whoever is deemed sick enough will be transferred from the in-house medical facility to Bellevue. Many of the patients are malingering but obviously some aren't. We weren't supposed to tell them that they are being discharged, because some will suddenly say they have severe chest pain which would earn them an extra day's stay. The facility certainly isn't the Ritz but I got the impression that many of them would rather be at the hospital than back at Rikers.

 

[Monbo Jumbo]

My old man was a prison doc in another era. He was at MCI Norfolk from the late 1930s to the early 70s. That was the primary medical facility in the state prison system at the time, and under his administration it had hospital accreditation in his later years. They had full operating facilities within the prison walls. There weren't many situations where they had to move prisoners to local hospitals, but it did happen on occasion. The hospital lost its accreditation shortly after my dad retired. 
 
He took me inside a couple of times when I was a kid. That was always eye opening. 

 

[Caspir]

They can take his visitation rights. At his new home he's allowed three a week. 
http://www.inquisitr.com/2035032/aaron-hernandez-moved-to-new-prison-life-inside-souza-baranowski-torture-for-ex-patriots-player/

DOC can do a lot of things administratively. If he is charged with an infraction and it's found credible by someone after an initial review, there's a hearing before a board that listens to both sides and makes a determination. If the person is found responsible they can lose privileges including visits, or be ordered to pay restitution if they damage property, but there's also things like having them take away hot plates/cooking tools, televisions and other amenities they earn or collect over time. He could also be sent to the disciplinary unit, be segregated, lose good time, etc. The last one doesn't apply to him, but there's a lot of tools at their disposal if he doesn't follow the rules inside. DOC has a section on administrative penalties in its facilities, but it's a pdf so my phone won't let me link to it.

From making it rain in the back of the end zone to hoping he doesn't fuck up and get his ramen taken away.

 

[chechusma]

 
I think Rev/noRev might be the best man to respond to "how prisons are structured" questions, but I believe prisons often have a sort of "first cut" medical care.   Usually transfers to hospitals are to a dedicated secure wing, which could be better or worse than prison, depending on the prisoner and the specifics.   
........
 
Any lurkers want to chip in?  One corrections officer out there must be among us.  

 
 
I'm an ER doc in one of the large teaching hospitals in Boston (and I also work some shifts at some smaller community hospitals in Eastern Massachusetts). At all of them, we see a fair number of inmates for a variety of issues... sometimes traumatic injuries, sometimes medical issues (chest pain, etc), even for allegations of sexual assault in prison. Sometimes, we even admit them to the hospital (not to a secure wing, though they will have a private room). They generally are cuffed to the stretchers, and will always have two police/COs with them at any time. 
 
Last year I saw the same inmate 3 different times within about a month - he would find random objects (spoons, pencils) and insert them into his abdominal cavity through a surgical scar, and need to be taken to the operating room to have them removed. 
 
Another inmate repeatedly would get hold of some blades from those disposable plastic razors, and would insert them into his urethra. 
 
Not sure if that's my idea of a "vacation", though....

 

[ifmanis5]

Ex-NFL star Aaron Hernandez indicted on new charge linked to 2012 double murder in Massachusetts - @NBCConnecticut http://t.co/xt7TcndxLA
— Breaking News (@BreakingNews) May 11, 2015

The good news keeps coming lately.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

So, none of this is super relevant or newsworthy, but my BiL works in Walpole and I just saw him for the first time in several months. Figured I'd post some random shit here in case people found it interesting:
 

• Re: Aaron Hernandez on suicide watch - when he entered the facility, there were rumors he was put on suicide watch. This is true. During his pysch eval, he was avoiding questions which is often a red flag. When he was asked "how do you feel about the charges of life in prison?" he would respond with random statements like "you write really fast." Apparently, this is often a symptom that someone hasn't come to terms with their reality, and when reality hits, it hits hard.

• As one would expect, Hernandez was in isolation for the majority of his stay. He had his own personal guards whenever he was moved, and also had a guard stationed outside his cell 24 hours a day.

• In his new home, Hernandez will also be kept from the general population for the foreseeable future. As in, until people stop giving a shit that he's Aaron Hernandez or until he is no longer seen as a source of income by other inmates. There is a concern that people will still do his bidding while they know he can provide money outside of prison (either into an account for an inmate upon his release or to an inmates family member).

• There were multiple disciplinary issues for guards during Hernandez's stay due to breach of protocol. Officers are only allowed access to an inmates internal files for valid reasons. In the first few days, Hernandez's file was viewed over 90 times, as officers were viewing/printing his files to try to make a quick buck selling to murderabilia buyers. He also went through multiple ID cards as guards were snatching them and trying to sell them.

Nothing mind-blowing, but since this thread is most likely on its last legs, I figured I'd throw this random info in here.

 

[mauidano]

 
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Ex-NFL star Aaron Hernandez indicted on new charge linked to 2012 double murder in Massachusetts - @NBCConnecticut http://t.co/xt7TcndxLA
— Breaking News (@BreakingNews) May 11, 2015The good news keeps coming lately.
 

So more trips out of prison and a chance to look good in his suit for his delusional baby mama.  He's probably happy about it at this point, something different from his hopefully mind numbing routine.  Fuck that guy.  And fuck those prison guards who are cozying up to him or trying to make a buck off of him.

 

[Rovin Romine]

So, none of this is super relevant or newsworthy, but my BiL works in Walpole and I just saw him for the first time in several months. Figured I'd post some random shit here in case people found it interesting:
 

• Re: Aaron Hernandez on suicide watch - when he entered the facility, there were rumors he was put on suicide watch. This is true. During his pysch eval, he was avoiding questions which is often a red flag. When he was asked "how do you feel about the charges of life in prison?" he would respond with random statements like "you write really fast." Apparently, this is often a symptom that someone hasn't come to terms with their reality, and when reality hits, it hits hard.

• As one would expect, Hernandez was in isolation for the majority of his stay. He had his own personal guards whenever he was moved, and also had a guard stationed outside his cell 24 hours a day.

• In his new home, Hernandez will also be kept from the general population for the foreseeable future. As in, until people stop giving a shit that he's Aaron Hernandez or until he is no longer seen as a source of income by other inmates. There is a concern that people will still do his bidding while they know he can provide money outside of prison (either into an account for an inmate upon his release or to an inmates family member).

• There were multiple disciplinary issues for guards during Hernandez's stay due to breach of protocol. Officers are only allowed access to an inmates internal files for valid reasons. In the first few days, Hernandez's file was viewed over 90 times, as officers were viewing/printing his files to try to make a quick buck selling to murderabilia buyers. He also went through multiple ID cards as guards were snatching them and trying to sell them.

Nothing mind-blowing, but since this thread is most likely on its last legs, I figured I'd throw this random info in here.

 
I expect we'll start a new thread for the next trial.  I also expect it won't be quite so heavily followed.  
 
If you have any more updates, please add them. The post trial process/prison acclimation story is pretty interesting.  Especially the ID thing, given that I was under the impression most correction officers are pretty well paid.  But I don't know about MA. 

 

[DegenerateSoxFan]

If you have any more updates, please add them. The post trial process/prison acclimation story is pretty interesting.  Especially the ID thing, given that I was under the impression most correction officers are pretty well paid.  But I don't know about MA. 

I don't know about MA either, but I have previously worked in a state (AZ) where they're paid diddly (or at least they were back when I worked there as a public defender). I was under the impression that CO pay sucks in most places. Which would explain why many aren't adverse to making a little extra where they can.

 

[Valek123]

This to me is fascinating, Lexington(His insurance carrier) is denying the claim by Alexander Bradley for funds due to Hernandez shooting him in the face, and legal defense for Hernandez.  Makes total sense to me, but Bradley's attorney at the bottom had an interesting take(short version - insurance companies are crooks).  I just don't get how shooting someone in the face is an occurrence for a homeowner liability claim, or even an umbrella claim as it was an intentional act with intent to harm(thus committing a crime).
 
Must be weird to root for a team that isn't in legal battles or have players in them constantly, I feel like SOSH attorneys are on retainer to the rest of our curiosity.  Such a weird world we live in now...

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

An insurance policy, contractually, requires a number of things from the policyholder in order for the whole system to work.  The relevant ones include:
 
- You have to be fully honest about everything you're doing and your whole situation (because otherwise you get adverse selection, e.g. if I say I just use my car for a sunday drive, but I'm actually running a taxi service)
 
- When filing a claim, you have to be proactive and helpful to the insurance company in evaluating the facts of the case.  This is a big one.  If you say "my house burned down, I have no idea why" and they want to come survey the site and you say "no, you can't do that, my pet parakeet got charred to a crisp in there and so the rubble is now sacred ground", they're unable to evaluate things like, say, did you burn it down yourself.  Unless you're up to no good, there's usually no reason not to be helpful to your insurer, and reasonable objections are usually around time, place and manner, rather than whether you'll cooperate at all.
 
- Causing an actionable claim through intentional acts is excluded from coverage in just about every form of liability policy.  Butch meant to run Marcellus Wallace over; he'd have no coverage from his insurer if Wallace sued for his injuries.  Insurance doesn't work if it's covering harm that you intend to cause, rather than accidentally (or negligently) caused - again because of adverse selection.
 
- It's also your responsibility to put together all relevant information for a claim and submit it to your insurer within, usually, 60 days of the incident.
 
So, here we have Hernandez not filing a timely claim, intentionally causing the actionable claim (i.e., shooting the guy in the face), probably not fully disclosing all prior legal issues in his original application for insurance (which means they could probably void his policy retroactively), and on top of that, refusing to cooperate in the investigation of the claim.  But he wants them to pay him, and Bradley.  Sure, OK.
 
Hernandez will not get a red cent of coverage from Lexington; he'll owe Bradley every dollar he is found to owe, out of his own pocket.

 

[Kevin Youkulele]

An insurance policy, contractually, requires a number of things from the policyholder in order for the whole system to work.  The relevant ones include:
 
- You have to be fully honest about everything you're doing and your whole situation (because otherwise you get adverse selection, e.g. if I say I just use my car for a sunday drive, but I'm actually running a taxi service)
 
- When filing a claim, you have to be proactive and helpful to the insurance company in evaluating the facts of the case.  This is a big one.  If you say "my house burned down, I have no idea why" and they want to come survey the site and you say "no, you can't do that, my pet parakeet got charred to a crisp in there and so the rubble is now sacred ground", they're unable to evaluate things like, say, did you burn it down yourself.  Unless you're up to no good, there's usually no reason not to be helpful to your insurer, and reasonable objections are usually around time, place and manner, rather than whether you'll cooperate at all.
 
- Causing an actionable claim through intentional acts is excluded from coverage in just about every form of liability policy.  Butch meant to run Marcellus Wallace over; he'd have no coverage from his insurer if Wallace sued for his injuries.  Insurance doesn't work if it's covering harm that you intend to cause, rather than accidentally (or negligently) caused - again because of adverse selection.
 
- It's also your responsibility to put together all relevant information for a claim and submit it to your insurer within, usually, 60 days of the incident.
 
So, here we have Hernandez not filing a timely claim, intentionally causing the actionable claim (i.e., shooting the guy in the face), probably not fully disclosing all prior legal issues in his original application for insurance (which means they could probably void his policy retroactively), and on top of that, refusing to cooperate in the investigation of the claim.  But he wants them to pay him, and Bradley.  Sure, OK.
 
Hernandez will not get a red cent of coverage from Lexington; he'll owe Bradley every dollar he is found to owe, out of his own pocket.

And it might even be frivolous litigation if he tried to sue his insurer, meaning that the court could order Hernandez to pay the insurance company's lawyers for the fees for defending the suit.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

I'm pretty sure that is just a standard Declaratory Judgement action brought by the insurance company. They are likely asking the court to rule on whether they are required to provide coverage or the legal defense in this scenario. They aren't exactly suing anyone in the real sense in that they want damages, they just want a ruling on the contract language, i.e. for the court to "declare" their responsibility. So what has likely happened is claims have been made, they have denied the claims on the grounds that the policy does not provide coverage, they are going back and forth with the parties and need the court to step in and state their legal responsibility before it goes any further. 
 
Standard stuff in the insurance litigation world. 

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/601046686492958720
 
I'm guessing it won't be long before we start seeing Aaron Hernandez in the yearly Death Pool threads. Prop bet for over/under on his life expectancy? 3.5 years? Sounds reasonable.

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

Pats still making the league look bad. That will cost a 2017 3rd rounder.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/601046686492958720
 
I'm guessing it won't be long before we start seeing Aaron Hernandez in the yearly Death Pool threads. Prop bet for over/under on his life expectancy? 3.5 years? Sounds reasonable.

 
I'd take the over since he's going to be going on a few month vacation to Boston courts soon.

 

[soxfan121]

It's time for a new AH thread; thanks to Rovin Romine and the legal experts who made this a must-read.