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Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots
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Rovin Romine said:
An anachronism (though not magnificient), like Gen. Patton, born too late:
Read more at http://oceandrive.com/style/articles/miamis-most-famous-mob-hit#pfWVLh4cyleFiLG8.99
soxfan121 said:
Yeah, lived, but the one who was shot in the head certainly experienced life-altering permanent damage.
Ed Hillel said:
I'm not a sports lawyer or anything but like that but I looked at the CBA a while ago and as I understand it the money stays on the cap unless the Pats (1) actually get real cash money back from Hernandez--which ain't happening because that money is fucking gone or going fast to lawyers--or (2) have a specially designated insurance policy referenced in the Hernandez contract. (The discussion is primarily on page 96 of the CBA if anyone wants to look for themselves). I tweeted some of the reporters who were opining about Hernandez to ask if they knew if there was an insurance policy but I got bupkis.
dcmissle said:
Thanks for the link. I love old Miami stuff. The 79th Street Causeway is very sedate now-a-days (and right around the corner from where I live.) The biggest recent news off the causeway was this: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/13/3450248/breaking-deck-collapses-at-shuckers.html
I've eaten lunch at Shuckers a number of times. One of the few places you can eat on the water. Or, in the water.
I haven't followed this very closely; I tried to search the thread but I didn't see any one post that lays it out, and I'm an idiot, so I'll see if I can recap something and have someone tell me I'm confusing everything:
Alexander Bradley:
(1) Alleged to be in the 4Runner with Hernandez during the shooting outside Cure? (Witnesses differ on if Bradley or Hernandez did the shooting) (And part of the info that the state has is in the form of recorded conversations from Bradley while he was in jail?)
(2) Bradley is the dude who was in the car when Hernandez was pulled over going over 100 MPH before the AFC Championship game?
(3) Hernandez is alleged to have shot Bradley and left him on the side of the road in Florida; Bradley then made his way into some store, refused to ID his shooter to the police, then sued Hernandez a few months later.
Is that about right?
Alexander Bradley:
(1) Alleged to be in the 4Runner with Hernandez during the shooting outside Cure? (Witnesses differ on if Bradley or Hernandez did the shooting) (And part of the info that the state has is in the form of recorded conversations from Bradley while he was in jail?)
(2) Bradley is the dude who was in the car when Hernandez was pulled over going over 100 MPH before the AFC Championship game?
(3) Hernandez is alleged to have shot Bradley and left him on the side of the road in Florida; Bradley then made his way into some store, refused to ID his shooter to the police, then sued Hernandez a few months later.
Is that about right?
Shelterdog said:
Here's what this Joel Corry character says:
https://twitter.com/corryjoel
And there's also this:
Not sure why that 2.46 million in guarantees isn't included in the cap relief as well. Maybe it is, but he just didn't specifically mention in in the other tweet. So maybe around 5.6 million in relief total? Not sure if the salary guarantees would be spread out over X number of years or not.
I think your interpretation is correct - the key is that some of the signing bonus hasn't been paid yet, so the Pats don't have to get it back from Hernandez. Here are Corry's follow-up Tweets:Shelterdog said:
Joel Corry @corryjoel 1h
@JasonPhilCole It will effectively end Hernandez's grievance for the $3.25M signing bonus payment due on 3/31 & $2.46M in salary guarantees.
Joel Corry @corryjoel 1h
@CoreyMrozinski Hernandez's warranties at time of deal that there weren't circumstances to prevent his availability w/Pats relying on them.
Joel Corry @corryjoel 1h
@OFox0220 @BenVolin Pats can't get cap relief from anything they don't collect from Hernandez. Any $$ already paid has probably been spent.
Joel Corry @corryjoel 1h
@andrewstepner The key language is but for Hernandez's representations of continuing availability, the Pats wouldn't have done the deal.
Joel Corry @corryjoel 1h
@OFox0220 There should be cap relief eventually for the $3.25M of signing bonus deferred until 3/31/14.
So they probably can't do anything about the money they've already paid out, but it sounds like they'll have grounds to get cap relief on what hasn't been paid yet.
Rovin Romine said:
You're welcome. What occupies the old Harbor Lounge site?
A Starbucks sits in place of the old barbershop of the Park Sheraton Hotel, since renamed the Park Central in Manhattan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Central_Hotel
While off topic, can you steer me to a source of Mob hits in Miami? (In the "60s an old family acquaintance ("friend of theirs") was found in a trunk after threatening to drive up and down Collins Ave throwing *pineapples* into cocktail lounges as a result of some beef. I'd to look the guy up, and google has not helped.)
Super Nomario said:
According to Patscap, the hit next year is 7.5, and I don't see any guarantees after that (not that Patscap is official). If that non-paid salary can be saved, that's basically 75% of his cap hit coming back next year. That's far better than any of us were anticipating. I think the only question is whether that guaranteed salary counts against his cap hit, which is based on his signing bonus. Then it would be a little less than half being saved. I don't understand where that guaranteed salary is coming from.
http://patscap.com/2014patscap.html
Joshv02 said:
Seems about right, but I don't know about #2. Other info - Bradley is a convicted felon (cocaine distribution) is a long time East Hartford/Bristol resident, and lost an eye in the shooting. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/alexander-bradley-docs
Guess I dont understand why they cant get "Cap relief" unless they get real actual money back.
The Cap is this imaginary thing the league maintains. Its not like they actually gave them a pile of 125 million dollars for 2015 and said thats all you get. This is basically a line on the ledger....
Its just idiotic to me that in theory the league would have no problem if he Killed someone.....then volunteered to give his money back and decided to live a monastic life in prison after having a public defender. "oh they got actual money back so he is off the cap!" Yet if the Pats ask for "Cap relief" even realizing that the actual money they gave him is gone the League says no no no.
Wait until a player dies after signing some Mega Signing bonus....they better say the same thing about Johnny Manziel when he wraps a ferrari around a tree. Sure its ok now because the big bad Patriots are getting screwed but any fan with half a brain has to realize that this is terrible for their teams.....and if something is terrible for the Fans and teams then its terrible for the NFL.
The Cap is this imaginary thing the league maintains. Its not like they actually gave them a pile of 125 million dollars for 2015 and said thats all you get. This is basically a line on the ledger....
Its just idiotic to me that in theory the league would have no problem if he Killed someone.....then volunteered to give his money back and decided to live a monastic life in prison after having a public defender. "oh they got actual money back so he is off the cap!" Yet if the Pats ask for "Cap relief" even realizing that the actual money they gave him is gone the League says no no no.
Wait until a player dies after signing some Mega Signing bonus....they better say the same thing about Johnny Manziel when he wraps a ferrari around a tree. Sure its ok now because the big bad Patriots are getting screwed but any fan with half a brain has to realize that this is terrible for their teams.....and if something is terrible for the Fans and teams then its terrible for the NFL.
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My God, bakahump made a coherent, valid point.
brb, going to stock up on canned goods and ammo.
brb, going to stock up on canned goods and ammo.
I guess we can officially pronounce Hernandez the NFL's first volume shooter? OK, maybe the second after Travis Henry.
bakahump said:
It's an arbitrary rule but it's the rule the came up with under the CBA so that's just the way it is.
Now the owner's probably don't mind it in general: it's just one more little way to keep player salaries down (because if you gave the Pats $12 million in cap relief well then the Pats go out and spend an extra 12 million on player salary, and while that helps the team on the field and makes all of us happy it might not help the p+l statement).
This "new" murder happened before (7/16/2012) he signed the contract extension (8/27/2012). There's some language in the contract about, as Joel Corry puts it "representations of continuing availability" - I get the impression that there's some sort of boiler-plate language that says Hernandez isn't aware of anything that would impede his ability to fulfill the terms of the contract. Probably that would normally be something like an undisclosed medical condition (as in the Fanene contract), but in this case committing a murder a month before signing the deal would qualify.Eddie Jurak said:
mt8thsw9th said:
I guess it's like the difference between getting cancer before or after you get health insurance.
If you go to the insurance company, swear you're in good health, and you knew you already had cancer, it's different than if you've already got insurance and you come down with cancer. If Hernandez signed a contract that said he had no good faith reason to suspect he wouldn't be able to fulfill the terms of the deal just after he murdered someone, he'd have been lying.
I think Jnai's answer above is correct. Also, my understanding is that if the Pats had waited until the season started, they could have sued Hernandez for breach of contract because he through his own actions made himself unavailable to fulfill the terms of the contract. By cutting him before camp started, they essentially closed off this option. But with this murder as a pre-existing condition affecting Hernandez' availability, it means Hernandez lied in presenting himself as available to fulfill the terms of the contract.mt8thsw9th said:
And if the Pats had a character clause in the contract (as is normal as I understand it), this is all moot because they can void the contract under those grounds. It's because they failed to get that language in there that these seemingly arbitrary distinctions become important.
To be clear: I am not a lawyer. Everything I'm writing is based on what I've read.
Are there any credible theories regarding motive for the Abreu/Furtado double murders? On the surface, it doesn't look like there's any connection to Hernandez. The guys weren't even from this country and didn't follow football.
The only theory I can pull out of my ass is something drug related. Perhaps Hernandez was involved in selling some product to them, the deal went south, then Hernandez decides to get rid of them.
Seems like the key to the double murders is Bradley. If he starts/has already singing to investigators, we might find out what actually happened.
The only theory I can pull out of my ass is something drug related. Perhaps Hernandez was involved in selling some product to them, the deal went south, then Hernandez decides to get rid of them.
Seems like the key to the double murders is Bradley. If he starts/has already singing to investigators, we might find out what actually happened.
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Shelterdog said:
Vinny Gambini: I object to this witness being called at this time. We've been given no prior notice he'd testify. No discovery of any tests he's conducted or reports he's prepared. And as the court is aware, the defense is entitled to advance notice of any witness who will testify, particularly to those who will give scientific evidence, so that we can properly prepare for cross-examination, as well as to give the defense an opportunity to have the witness's reports reviewed by a defense expert, who might then be in a position to contradict the veracity of his conclusions.
[there is a short pause as Judge Haller appears caught off-guard by Vinny's sudden compentence with knowledge of the law]
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Mr. Gambini?
Vinny Gambini: Yes, sir?
Judge Chamberlain Haller: That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Your Honor.
Judge Chamberlain Haller: [firm tone] Overruled.
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MainerInExile said:
This is actually fairly common.
I read my clients the riot act about what they can say (nothing) to whom (no one - except for me) and a fair number of them just blab away on the phone anyway.
My fav. was a client who was interrupted by the automated periodic "this call is being recorded" warning. He was interrupted giving instructions to his out-of-custody codefendant on how the codefendant should tamper with a witness. He even tossed in the parenthetical "God I hate that stupid warning" (or something to that effect) before continuing his instructions.
I hate that warning. I am paying money for the call. Let me talk.Rovin Romine said:
Also, total hearsay but my brother is in jail and the word in there is that Hernandez slammed Welker into the locker last year and threatened him. Welker went to Belichick and was basically told to man up.
pappymojo said:
There's a similar story that's been kicking around for a while about Hernandez (as a rookie) telling Welker he'd fucked welker up. http://www.milehighreport.com/2013/6/22/4454410/aaron-hernandez-threatened-wes-welker-as-a-rookie
Basically this, plus some extreme bad luck and some bad advice from his attorney and some stupidity. The biggest lesson though is don't date miserable possessive drunk losers that will call the cops and tell lies when you dump them.Caspir said:
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