Aaron Boone is the new Yankee manager

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Hard to see this as anything but a huge win for the Sox. Sox upgraded, Yankees likely downgraded, possibly big time
 

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Hard to see this as anything but a huge win for the Sox. Sox upgraded, Yankees likely downgraded, possibly big time
I mean honestly none of us have even a smidgen of an idea whether this is true or not, come on.

The one thing I will say is that everyone gave Cashman a hard time for seemingly not having anyone in mind when he fired Girardi, but it seems like he did have two people in mind, Raul Ibanez and Aaron Boone. Ibanez said no, Boone got the job.
 

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No one knows who has what kind of advantage. What is apparent is the managerial role has changed. No longer are they big "baseball men" personalities who got to do whatever they wanted because it was their "gut feeling". The modern manager is responsible for massaging young players' egos and forwarding the directives of the front office in terms of how they want the game to be played.
 

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This is hilarious but I'm genuinely grateful that he won't be doing ESPN anymore...at least until he gets fired.
 

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Here is an interesting column from Buster Olney from a few weeks ago comparing Boone to Francona, this makes me feel a bit better:

"Boone's path to an MLB dugout
Aaron Boone is a friend and a colleague, someone with whom I've worked on Sunday Night Baseball the past two years, so sure, my point of view about his potential as a managerial candidate for the New York Yankees or some other team down the road is skewed by the many hours spent in travel, preparation, and on air together. But that past access means that my perspective is well-informed, more than enough to say this: He will be a great manager someday for some team looking for the next Terry Francona.

He likes people, a characteristic that might seem trite on the page here but is a common denominator in almost all of the longest-tenured managers, from Bobby Cox to Joe Torre to Dusty Baker to Bruce Bochy to, yes, Francona. Some managers resent players, or ignore the clubhouse attendants, or look down on the youngest front-office members, but a lot of the best managers -- not all of them -- have a natural respect for and an interest in others in their world. Aaron shares that trait.

Like Francona, Boone shares in a baseball legacy. Aaron's grandfather played in the big leagues, and so did his father, and so did his brother. He has had a lifetime of running around clubhouses and ballparks, and assessing players and their moods and on-field and off-field challenges. Aaron was a good player for stretches in his 12-year career, and he had periods when he struggled, and any of the best managers would tell you, those experiences in the worst of times might be the most useful in relating to players. Francona wields his own mediocrity as a weapon of self-deprecation, citing his own failures when his players make mistakes, and it helps him connect with everyone.

Francona is pliable in how he considers strategy, open-minded to listen to alternatives if he sees demonstrations of logic and success, and while a baseball lifer like Francona might have an old-school reflex under certain circumstances, he could not have worked as successfully as he has with progressive front offices -- under Theo Epstein in Boston, and Chris Antonetti in Cleveland -- without being open-minded. Francona managed his bullpen and starters differently in the Indians' postseason run of 2016 than he did in Boston's championship seasons of 2004 and 2007.

The Cleveland front office will sometimes bring suggestions to Francona and his response is sometimes, "I understand what you want to do and it makes sense, but just give me some time to get there with the player." Aaron has a similar approach to problem-solving. We've had debates and discussions over personnel decisions or rule changes in which he'll mull over the elements for a week or so, before revisiting. "I agree with you, and here's why," he has said. Or: "I disagree with you, and here's why."

Managers are no longer the all-powerful, dominant forces they once were, and they probably never will be again. Exhibit A: Bruce Bochy is a Hall of Fame manager with three championships in the past eight years, and his longtime pitching coach Dave Righetti was just fired over Bochy's objection.

Front offices shape rosters, and with some teams, the front office dictates lineups and scripts possible pitching moves before each game. Managers have more resources than ever to draw upon in making in-game choices. A lot of the preparation or pregame thought that an Earl Weaver or Tony La Russa mastered is now generated by front offices. The days of the drill-sergeant manager who chews out players (and general managers) and creates change by intimidation is over. A lot of the best managers now excel at interpersonal relationships. This might sicken the ghost of John McGraw, but this is just the way it is.

The most significant daily contributions of the managers for most teams might be in reading the clubhouse and the players in it, and in fostering a positive and fun work environment in which accountability from player to player becomes habit. This is something that the best stats analyst cannot provide; it has to come from the guy leading the room, whether that's the manager or best player.

Terry Francona is tremendous at this, and I think Aaron Boone would be, as well."

http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post/_/id/17643/olney-shopping-mccutchen-and-cole-could-renew-pirates-postseason-possibilities
 

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I mean honestly none of us have even a smidgen of an idea whether this is true or not, come on.

The one thing I will say is that everyone gave Cashman a hard time for seemingly not having anyone in mind when he fired Girardi, but it seems like he did have two people in mind, Raul Ibanez and Aaron Boone. Ibanez said no, Boone got the job.
Let us have this one, man. You're right of course. How they handle two of the highest pressure jobs in sports is unknown at this point. I only know who Yankees fans wanted to helm their team from SOSH. Sox fans seem to really like the choice of Cora. How are the Yank's fan with Boone?
 

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Let us have this one, man. You're right of course. How they handle two of the highest pressure jobs in sports is unknown at this point. I only know who Yankees fans wanted to helm their team from SOSH. Sox fans seem to really like the choice of Cora. How are the Yank's fan with Boone?
I was hoping for Beltran or Bam Bam from the guys interviewed, and really I was hoping for Ibanez or Curtis Granderson (who has said he doesn't want to manage, oh well), but also I know nothing. The Olney piece I just linked above makes me feel a bit better about this, and obviously this is the guy who Cashman wanted, Cashman asked him to interview to begin with, all of the others got in touch with him to show their interest.
 

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I’d be shocked if Boone ends up having more of an impact in terms of W and L then Girardi
I think this is great for the Sox.
Girardi just had his best year as manager and he gets the axe for Aaron Boone
Come on
 

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Not who I was rooting for. Gonna go watch that homer on repeat and try to get into this.
 

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Plus if it’s true bam bam had some Japanese language training even better - one less thing Otahni can cling to
 

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LOL, Yankees are such trolls. Bucky Dent going to be bench coach?

Here is an interesting column from Buster Olney from a few weeks ago comparing Boone to Francona, this makes me feel a bit better:
Olney was obviously just trying to make Boone seem awesome so the Yankees would hire him and Olney wouldn't have to work with him anymore. ;)

All jokes aside, Francona had six years of coaching experience at various levels before becoming a manager and Boone has exactly zero, so even if they share traits there might be a steep learning curve.
 

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I will change the thread title, not thrilled about this but I guess In Cashman We Trust.
 

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Not what I expected, but I really do trust Cashman. The Olney article provides some solace.


Edit: It will be interesting to watch a young team grow with a young manager.
 

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I mean honestly none of us have even a smidgen of an idea whether this is true or not, come on.

The one thing I will say is that everyone gave Cashman a hard time for seemingly not having anyone in mind when he fired Girardi, but it seems like he did have two people in mind, Raul Ibanez and Aaron Boone. Ibanez said no, Boone got the job.
This is true, but tonight, at this moment, this feels like a win for the Sox. Time will tell of course
 

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I find this selection strange. But hey, what do I know? Maybe Otani's agent said, "hire Boone."
 

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Not thrilled with this choice, either. So who is the bench coach? I suspect Cashman is going to pick the rest of the staff and let Boone name his right-hand man.
Cashman is on a major power trip now. Only Hal can stop him.
 

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LOL, Yankees are such trolls. Bucky Dent going to be bench coach?

Olney was obviously just trying to make Boone seem awesome so the Yankees would hire him and Olney wouldn't have to work with him anymore. ;)

All jokes aside, Francona had six years of coaching experience at various levels before becoming a manager and Boone has exactly zero, so even if they share traits there might be a steep learning curve.
Boone is certainly going to have a better group to work with than Dent did, especially in the pitching department.

The lack of coaching/managing experience has to be a concern, but his dad had some experience (although not much success), so there's an option for him to consult. I would think a strong bench coach is almost a requirement in this case.
 

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Maybe Boone is young enough that he can be won over on some of the things he ranted about on ESPN or maybe he doesn't need to be because he is taking the job with the understanding that the front office is managing the team on the field. I don't think the Yankees did well here but maybe they didn't want to, in the sense that they didn't want a headstrong manager with experience that would defy the front office. Boone owes them everything here and if it doesn't work the Yankees can change course and fire him.
 

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Cashman has been on a role but he is also the same guy who signed Ellsbury to that horrid contract.
He’s capable of making really dumb moves
 

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Brian Cashman certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt, but yeah - as a Sox fan I'm pretty happy with our hire compared to this one.
 

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Cashman has been on a role but he is also the same guy who signed Ellsbury to that horrid contract.
He’s capable of making really dumb moves
Sure, every GM is, although I don't know how much of the Ellsbury silliness is really on him, since that was the offseason that Hal just seemed to decide like a month in that they no longer had to reset the luxury tax that winter, and then NY just threw money at seemingly anyone who would take it, including offering both Beltran and Choo big deals and telling them whoever accepted first was good and the other deal was off the table (yes, this actually happened).

Needless to say, nothing that stupid has happened in Yankee land for a few years now, Cashman seems to have close to total control, even making managerial hirings while his own deal remains unsigned.
 

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There was no choice who I would have been thrilled with but I'm warming up to Boone as I see some of the justifications around the web. I was getting my hopes up on Bam Bam primarily because I recognized the nickname and he spoke a few languages but that's basically all I know about the guy. You can throw Boone in the same bucket as Cora or Beltran when it comes to having any godamn clue what kind of pitching, lineup, and strategic decisions they are going to make. Plenty of managers with lots of relevant experience have been awful but there is absolutely no question that Cashman is taking a gamble here. #incashmanwetrust
 

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there is absolutely no question that Cashman is taking a gamble here. #incashmanwetrust
A huge gamble, and what's even more fascinating is he is so sure of himself that he hired the manager and is going after Ohtani, all before agreeing on/signing his own deal.
 

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A huge gamble, and what's even more fascinating is he is so sure of himself that he hired the manager and is going after Ohtani, all before agreeing on/signing his own deal.
Probably going to play out just like that. Still gotta play the games and shit happens. Good luck with that.
 

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Here is an interesting column from Buster Olney from a few weeks ago comparing Boone to Francona, this makes me feel a bit better:
Interesting article but it's a real stretch to notice some similiar personal tendencies and project the same managerial capabilities. Boone hasn't so much as managed a LL team so there's really no baseline.
 

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I was hoping for Beltran or Bam Bam from the guys interviewed, and really I was hoping for Ibanez or Curtis Granderson (who has said he doesn't want to manage, oh well), but also I know nothing. The Olney piece I just linked above makes me feel a bit better about this, and obviously this is the guy who Cashman wanted, Cashman asked him to interview to begin with, all of the others got in touch with him to show their interest.
This is not coming from a Sox fan (well, it is, but not the way it might sound) but rather as an impartial observation, but I wonder what Olney’s opinion really is worth. Frankly I’ve always found him to be a mealy mouthed back patter who doesn’t really have much to offer in actual analysis or critiqie. He’s like a modern version of Gammons, with his ‘special people’. He can get a scoop with his connections, but part of that is because he’s rarely critical of anyone and is rarely negative. He makes some commentary, passes along a scoop and then links to newspaper articles. Which is not to say he doesn’t know more about the inside workings of the league more than you or I, he certainly does. But in your shoes I wouldn’t take a lot of solace from his endorsement of how Boone comports himself in a production meeting. ‘Liking people’ and being polite and thoughtful doesn’t make you a good manager or Tito, who as someone mentioned had a lot of coaching experience when he took the Boston job and had the chance to learn from his mistakes.

Cora was highly sought after, has coaching experience both in Latin leagues and MLB and has been spoken of as a future manager since his playing days. Which is not to say he will turn out the better choice in the long run, but it kind of strikes me as odd that he basically came out of nowhere and talking yourself into it consists of an article by Buster Olney of all people. It kind of strikes me as taking a QB prospect analysis from John Gruden. Pure puff.
 
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I mean, I'd definitely prefer Cora over Boone, but that was never a possibility. I'd also prefer Francona or Maddon, but again neither were options.

I think Olney has more to say than Heyman or Rosenthal, admittedly that's a low bar, but I have a lot more respect for him than you seem to, and definitely a lot more respect than I do for Heyman/Rosenthal.

I watched the guys on MLBN talk about this just now (repeat from earlier), they got Joel Sherman and Michael Kay to come on, and Verducci and Ron Darling too. Boone definitely seems to be highly regarded around the game, but it can't be a good sign that every single fan who has heard him do games on ESPN in recent years seems to have a low opinion of him. It could be an irrelevant sign, I guess.
 

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I’ll definitely cop to not having a high opinion of Olney in this regard and I’m honestly not trying to rain on the parade, I just don’t see how his rationale would make me feel much better about an off the radar hiring. ‘He’s really nice’ doesn’t seem like the striking characteristic I’d look for. He essentially explains the manager job as a puppet in today’s game. And even his comparison to Francona doesn’t hold water imho. He’s essentially saying they treat players and people with respect and are willing to talk things out; then follows with the fact that Tito will buck back, but front offices basically manage the game now. It just strikes me as an odd article in general and yes, I don’t find Olney particularly compelling. For your comparisons, I’d take Rosenthal over him any day of the week. Heyman is a joke, we definitely agree there. Fans complaining about him doing games, I can’t really speak to as I don’t watch many ESPN broadcasts but I wouldn’t put a ton of stock in that as to his managerial chops. The times I have seen him he’s been annoying but I don’t really find that relevant much. As to Sherman and Kay I don’t follow NY media, but I’ve always found Sherman to mostly carry water and all I know Kay for is his broadcasting, so I can’t speak to that - I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in what Cafardo or Remy had to say either.

For the record, had the Sox gone with someone like Varitek, I’d probably feel the same. I like the idea of Cora in that he’s got a track record in coaching and is young , bi lingual and analytically inclined. I would want some* kind of coaching experience, at least beyond working with guys at spring training. He also has had a buzz if you will about him for a long time. Boone just seems so out of nowhere.
 

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I mean, all I said was that Olney thing made me feel "a bit better", that's a lot of words in reaction to a tiny statement by me. :)