9/6: Spoiler Alert

Ale Xander

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I'm ok with them having the best record if it means they'll avoid the Twins in the LDS.
 

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I'm OK with the Sox having a down year. I mean, it sucks hard, but the Sox and the other Boston teams have won so much that you'd have to be an entitled dipshit to be all bitter about what has happened this season. That's not to give DD and yes though to a lesser extent, AC, a pass for a series of poor decisions. Or some of the players for so seriously under performing. But vaguely along the lines of Bill Simmons 5 year rule, I just can't get too worked up. We've had it good. Very very very good.

All that said, the level of pleasure that the Yankees organization and Yankees fans have with the Sox being essentially toast and so many games out is intolerable. The douche bag brigade from the Bronx is going to be insufferable this weekend. To the Sox fans reading this who will be at Fenway tonight, I salute you. Yeah, it's our team and we're not fair weather fans. But withstanding the happy visiting fans is going to be yuck.

Yes, do bad things to the Yankees this weekend. It's the least and most the Sox can do. So may as well do it.
 

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I'm ok with them having the best record if it means they'll avoid the Twins in the LDS.
Unless they don't play each other at all in the playoffs, the Yankees will still win no matter when they play each other. They are inevitable. If it's the LDS, it'll be a sweep and the Twins will score a grand total of about 5 runs. If it's the LCS, it'll be in 5 games and the Twins will manage maybe 12 total runs, most in what will likely be a lopsided win.

The Twins cannot beat the Yankees when it matters. It is known.
 

Ale Xander

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Yeah what I mean is I want Indians/A's/Rays to play the MFY's in the LDS and knock them out since the Twins can't

The earlier the better
 

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It'll be sweeter when the Twins beat the Yankees in the playoffs. They are a good team and can beat up on the Yankees poor excuse for a playoff rotation.
 

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I'm OK with the Sox having a down year. I mean, it sucks hard, but the Sox and the other Boston teams have won so much that you'd have to be an entitled dipshit to be all bitter about what has happened this season. That's not to give DD and yes though to a lesser extent, AC, a pass for a series of poor decisions. Or some of the players for so seriously under performing. But vaguely along the lines of Bill Simmons 5 year rule, I just can't get too worked up. We've had it good. Very very very good.

All that said, the level of pleasure that the Yankees organization and Yankees fans have with the Sox being essentially toast and so many games out is intolerable. The douche bag brigade from the Bronx is going to be insufferable this weekend. To the Sox fans reading this who will be at Fenway tonight, I salute you. Yeah, it's our team and we're not fair weather fans. But withstanding the happy visiting fans is going to be yuck.

Yes, do bad things to the Yankees this weekend. It's the least and most the Sox can do. So may as well do it.
What frustrates me is that the team, as assembled, is great.

We have an all star line up and some awesome pitchers who completely underperformed expectations.

With a competent Sale and Price, we are 5 games up in the WC race right now. But they came and continually lost games and dashed any hopes of a repeat.

It just feels like such a waste of a year that has so many talented players. This core that was built isn’t going to last forever.
 

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All that said, the level of pleasure that the Yankees organization and Yankees fans have with the Sox being essentially toast and so many games out is intolerable. The douche bag brigade from the Bronx is going to be insufferable this weekend. To the Sox fans reading this who will be at Fenway tonight, I salute you. Yeah, it's our team and we're not fair weather fans. But withstanding the happy visiting fans is going to be yuck.

Yes, do bad things to the Yankees this weekend. It's the least and most the Sox can do. So may as well do it.
Is this even true? I haven't heard a single caller or friend even really talk about the Sox this year. It's been all Rays and Houston and how the Twins are gonna be a scary reverse lock if we play them.
 

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Is this even true? I haven't heard a single caller or friend even really talk about the Sox this year. It's been all Rays and Houston and how the Twins are gonna be a scary reverse lock if we play them.
it's symptomatic of the type of red sox fan who believes yankee fans only obsess about the red sox
 

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Is this even true? I haven't heard a single caller or friend even really talk about the Sox this year. It's been all Rays and Houston and how the Twins are gonna be a scary reverse lock if we play them.
I work in New York City and yes, undoubtedly, Yankees fans I know are way more worried about the true obstacles their team faces. That said, it's also true that many of them are taking EXTREME pleasure in the Sox plight. I have enough of such fans in my life who make that abundantly clear. Hey, fair is fair, if the Yankees were irrevocably out of it and the Sox were coming to the Bronx, I would love to be at that hideous, soulless edifice to take in their pain. Schadenfreude is fun. Especially when it's at the expense of MFYFs. And it goes both ways.

It's also true that many of the Yankees fans on site this weekend are going to have wide grins and will make their share of pointed comments. Not that anyone should melt or expect anything less. But they will be dicks about it and I don't envy Boston fans who will have to pretend not to give a shit.

It is what it is. Their team is a lot better this year. But it still blows chunks.
 

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it's symptomatic of the type of red sox fan who believes yankee fans only obsess about the red sox
Yeah, it's not black and white and those type of Sox fans apparently exist in your head but are actually few and far between.

My comment does not remotely tell you that I am one such fan. It tells you that I would not enjoy being in Boston for a game when the Sox are pretty much out of it, if not totally out of it, and when a lot of Yankees fans will be enjoying that fact and being dickish about it.

Part of my reaction is based on the fact that I go to more games every year in the Bronx than Boston, so I find it particularly annoying to encounter giddy Yankees fans in Boston.
 

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while yes, we're spoiled to shit and a down year is OK in that regard, this team wasted a lot of damn talent. and I mean a lot. who knows how long the window of contention is open with this core? Basically, what BC said. they are a team that finds ways to lose constantly (like last night), it's a complete 180 from last year.

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YouTube offered for my meal-preparation diversion Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS, and I'm still watching it, in the 11th. Oy. I did not remember how awful both Cabrera and Bellhorn fielded in that game. And Damon is no JBJ out there. Also, why do great hitters like Ramirez take the 3-0 pitch? It is almost always right down the middle. Arggh! I hope this ends well!

And, yes, Boston fans, we have had it pretty good this century.

Edit: ok, Cabrera just made a great catch in the 11th.
 

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while yes, we're spoiled to shit and a down year is OK in that regard, this team wasted a lot of damn talent. and I mean a lot. who knows how long the window of contention is open with this core? Basically, what BC said. they are a team that finds ways to lose constantly (like last night), it's a complete 180 from last year.
It has been a wasted year in that regard but just because you have a talented core doesn't spell dynasty. We won it all last year in record breaking fashion. Many teams have this kind of drop off after winning it all. At LEAST we did win. How many years did the Atlanta Braves seemed poised to win it all just to come up short?
 

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MFY fans at the very least can be annoying and some of them at their worst are downright total dicks, but post 2004 they're starting to remind me of Clubber Lang in the second fight in Rocky III. They still like to talk shit, but the "mystique" and "aura" are gone forever. They may win a round now and then, but it's not a given anymore and they get their asses kicked now too.
 

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I got an email this morning from the Red Sox offering me tickets to tonight's game. Plenty for sale this weekend.

I expect we'll see the regular lineup from Cora for this series.
 
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I really don’t understand—in fact, it is antithetical to every last scrap of the ethos I believe in—the idea of “they won last year so have a pass on a middling campaign.” This team came into the season as overly-contented fat cats. The front office drastically over-values a pitcher I’ll call the biggest fake tough guy competitor in recent Boston sports history. A pitcher they won in spite of last year, who elbowed his way into an eleventh hour postseason moment as a kind of photo-op. The center fielder, while loaded with talent, needs to run from in front. Perform well early, great year; struggle a touch the first couple weeks, down year. They were over-laden with talent. The manager instilled a culture of hubris with his “you ain’t seen nothing yet” mantra, all while expecting a kind of legerdemain via merely showing up. To my thinking, if you’re any good and you achieve something, you try harder than you tried before to achieve it again, better it. The Astros do a baseball version of this. The Patriots do a version one would think would eradicate in any New Englander’s mind this notion of a grace period when you are stacked. You play a sport, a child’s game, for half the year, while being compensated obscene sums of money given the relative societal value. So, no, I don’t think what they ran out there was nearly good enough or justifiable. Teachers don’t get a pass, doctors don’t get a pass, firefighters don’t get a pass, Tolstoy didn’t give himself a pass or want one. This team, with the reasonable expectations they had, should be no different. Anything else strikes me as a defeatist mentality which likely bleeds into myriad life corners.
 

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I really don’t understand—in fact, it is antithetical to every last scrap of the ethos I believe in—the idea of “they won last year so have a pass on a middling campaign.” This team came into the season as overly-contented fat cats. The front office drastically over-values a pitcher I’ll call the biggest fake tough guy competitor in recent Boston sports history. A pitcher they won in spite of last year, who elbowed his way into an eleventh hour postseason moment as a kind of photo-op. The center fielder, while loaded with talent, needs to run from in front. Perform well early, great year; struggle a touch the first couple weeks, down year. They were over-laden with talent. The manager instilled a culture of hubris with his “you ain’t seen nothing yet” mantra, all while expecting a kind of legerdemain via merely showing up. To my thinking, if you’re any good and you achieve something, you try harder than you tried before to achieve it again, better it. The Astros do a baseball version of this. The Patriots do a version one would think would eradicate in any New Englander’s mind this notion of a grace period when you are stacked. You play a sport, a child’s game, for half the year, while being compensated obscene sums of money given the relative societal value. So, no, I don’t think what they ran out there was nearly good enough or justifiable. Teachers don’t get a pass, doctors don’t get a pass, firefighters don’t get a pass, Tolstoy didn’t give himself a pass or want one. This team, with the reasonable expectations they had, should be no different. Anything else strikes me as a defeatist mentality which likely bleeds into myriad life corners.
Looks like Tolstoy published two novels between 1856 and 1899, admittedly both timeless classics but not the ideal reference for a yearly sport.

I disagree with plenty of other things there too (sometimes people forget that 29 other teams have the same end goal in mind) but it's not a game thread discussion.

Edit: I don't really know much about Tolstoy except I was underwhelmed by both Anna Karenina and War and Peace, but there's no reason to cite him here.
 

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What frustrates me is that the team, as assembled, is great.

We have an all star line up and some awesome pitchers who completely underperformed expectations.

With a competent Sale and Price, we are 5 games up in the WC race right now. But they came and continually lost games and dashed any hopes of a repeat.

It just feels like such a waste of a year that has so many talented players. This core that was built isn’t going to last forever.
Price wasn't the problem - he's pitched fewer innings due to injury, but has only had a mild drop off.

ERod's had a mild pick up.

Sale, Porcello, and the #5 spot have been dismal.
 

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If they go .500 on that year opening road trip, they're right in the thick of the WC games instead of 6.5 behind.
And IF they go .500 on that year opening road trip, that4 game series in Fenway against the MFY's when Sale blew the tank and let all the fuel out, would have only been the difference between being 1 game behind them (if Sox had swept) and 3 back....

Two big stretches killed them this season: The opening road trip, and that loss to the MFY's. With the injuries to Price, Sale, I'm wasn't expecting them to go far.... but playoffs being a bit of a crapshoot.... you never can be sure. I'm just depressed now. I hate playing "spoiler".
 

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Tolstoy was unbelievably great, @jon abbey , sorry he doesn't meet your standards, but I do agree that the reference was weird.
Geaux, Sox!
I mean, I did call them “timeless classics” but Dostoyevsky was more my thing and I’ll take Thomas Bernhard over both. None of them are even vaguely relevant in this context though, which was my point.
 

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Price wasn't the problem - he's pitched fewer innings due to injury, but has only had a mild drop off.

ERod's had a mild pick up.

Sale, Porcello, and the #5 spot have been dismal.
Price isn't the biggest problem, no. But injury + mild drop off just adds to how shit the year's been.

Sale and Porcello are definitely the worst part.
 

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I read that Jhoulys Chacin was starting and I had no idea for which team.

Won't make that mistake again.