8/4 New dad Price vs MFY

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hopefully neither of those DSL guys sent to the O's for Cashner become anything. I would rather decline Cashner's option for 2020, but are we going to be that desperate?
 

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For those complaining the Red Sox should’ve been sellers, please recall they have NOTHING TO SELL. No contracts that anybody could tolerate, except those that are too valuable to surrender. Nobody wants Porcello. Moving JBJ or Benny only opens holes that would be hard to plug. Moving Chavis would be idiotic given his promise and his contract. Moving Workman weakens the team’s weakest unit.

Only possibility maybe would’ve be JD, but I’d guess the chances of keeping him beyond 2019 are better if you never cut him.

Or Mookie, but if you’re advocating selling Mookie then we have nothing further to discuss.
 

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there is no fucking way in the world a team with an ounce of pride, and with as much talent as they have, would shit on themselves for now 8-straight games.

this is disgraceful
Against division rivals no less. Just a complete meltdown. Inexcusable.
 

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A-rod’s Laugh at that awkward Salinger reference from Vasgersian was absolutely the laugh of someone who didn’t understand the Salinger reference.
 

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For those complaining the Red Sox should’ve been sellers, please recall they have NOTHING TO SELL. No contracts that anybody could tolerate, except those that are too valuable to surrender. Nobody wants Porcello. Moving JBJ or Benny only opens holes that would be hard to plug. Moving Chavis would be idiotic given his promise and his contract. Moving Workman weakens the team’s weakest unit.

Only possibility maybe would’ve be JD, but I’d guess the chances of keeping him beyond 2019 are better if you never cut him.

Or Mookie, but if you’re advocating selling Mookie then we have nothing further to discuss.
JD (as you point out).

Barnes maybe

There was no Herschel Walker trade to be had but they sure could use a reset. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark
 

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JD (as you point out).

Barnes maybe

There was no Herschel Walker trade to be had but they sure could use a reset. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark
Last year was pretty much everything went right. This year pretty much a crap ton has gone wrong. It happens. I bet this exact team - assuming Sale is fixable - coming back next year would play to 95+ wins.
 

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Dombrowski's record with the Red Sox, signing on after the Sox won just 78 games in 2015:

2016: 93 wins, 1st place
2017: 93 wins, 1st place (first time ever with B2B division titles)
2018: 108 wins, 1st place, WS title
2019: disappointing season

You cannot possibly think of firing a guy with that track record over 4 years. We'd ALL take those four years if every four years went in this cycle, we'd all kill for that.
He’s done a good job overall...but is he the best guy to navigate the next few years? They need to rebuild the pen and the farm. Does that sound like Dombrowski?
 

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Last year was pretty much everything went right. This year pretty much a crap ton has gone wrong. It happens. I bet this exact team - assuming Sale is fixable - coming back next year would play to 95+ wins.
The MFYs in many respects have had much more go wrong - absolute slew of injuries

Underperformance is underperformance - not bad luck necessarily
 

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It's amazing what this pitching staff is doing. Every time I keep trying to tell myself that their underlying peripherals are so much better than the actual outcomes, it just gets worse and worse.

I mean, seriously, what in the blue fuck is going on? Are they all tipping pitches or something.
 

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if I'm Cora I take out all the regulars you can right now. if you're going to get back in it, the next two weeks offer a chance to do so (two easy homestands surrounding Cleveland), so give the regulars a half-day off with no full day off coming until next Thursday.

they're still 59-55. it's not impossible. it's just cratering this week. let's see what happens against lighter competition.
This sounds like his Spring Training plan
 

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A rotation of Sale, Price, Rodríguez, Eovaldi, and Cashner should be decent enough next year but I wonder if they should explore trades for any of them and sign a free agent/acquire another starter?
 

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He’s done a good job overall...but is he the best guy to navigate the next few years? They need to rebuild the pen and the farm. Does that sound like Dombrowski?
The lineup is in great shape. The farm needs rebuilding but there's some talent there that needs to mature. Plus they don't really need much minor league talent with their major league club so young at the moment.

It wouldn't take too much to fix the bullpen. Keep Barnes, Hernandez (or maybe he goes back the minors to try starting again), Walden (useful), Workman (very good), Taylor (useful). Add two quality arms. Use Porcello's money because he's a goner. Replace him in the rotation with Eovaldi. Hope Sale is ok and Price gets back to being Price.

A team of this group of everyday players plus a pitching staff of: Sale, Price, Eovaldi, Rodriguez, 5th starter, Barnes, Hernandez, Taylor, Walden, Workman, and two quality bullpen arms is a very good and talented team.

Use Porcello's money to fix the bullpen. Nunez, Pearce, Moreland, come off the books. Sale and Xander get big raises so that will eat up a chunk, but they should have some money to take care of the bullpen and the 5th rotation spot.
 

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The MFYs in many respects have had much more go wrong - absolute slew of injuries

Underperformance is underperformance - not bad luck necessarily
I didn't say bad luck has hit the Sox. I said that lots has gone wrong. The players have been crappy, that's what's gone wrong.
 

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Trying to remember meltdowns of the 21st century. 2001, 2006 and 2011 come to mind. The first 2 were around August. All of them were injury related, unlike this one.

That said, nice catch by JBJ, maybe that sparks something. I wont see it as I cant listen to ESPN any longer
 

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The lineup is in great shape. The farm needs rebuilding but there's some talent there that needs to mature. Plus they don't really need much minor league talent with their major league club so young at the moment.

It wouldn't take too much to fix the bullpen. Keep Barnes, Hernandez (or maybe he goes back the minors to try starting again), Walden (useful), Workman (very good), Taylor (useful). Add two quality arms. Use Porcello's money because he's a goner. Replace him in the rotation with Eovaldi. Hope Sale is ok and Price gets back to being Price.

A team of this group of everyday players plus a pitching staff of: Sale, Price, Eovaldi, Rodriguez, 5th starter, Barnes, Hernandez, Taylor, Walden, Workman, and two quality bullpen arms is a very good and talented team.

Use Porcello's money to fix the bullpen. Nunez, Pearce, Moreland, come off the books. Sale and Xander get big raises so that will eat up a chunk, but they should have some money to take care of the bullpen and the 5th rotation spot.
Sandoval off the books as well......
Mookie?
JBJ?
 

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Sandoval off the books as well......
Mookie?
JBJ?
Porcello and Sandoval alone clears 40M. That’s significant. With Mookie making 20 this year, signing him long term and still having 30m to play with is realistic.

That’s not including Nunez and whoever else that’s done after this year.
 

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This team is going to fall below .500 at some point. Dombrowskis press conference and the fact he did nothing at the deadline were the final straw
 

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This team is going to fall below .500 at some point. Dombrowskis press conference and the fact he did nothing at the deadline were the final straw
If standing pat at the deadline after the most successful stretch of the season is enough to cause an 8 game losing streak this team has no business winning.
 

Tyrone Biggums

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If standing pat at the deadline after the most successful stretch of the season is enough to cause an 8 game losing streak this team has no business winning.
I agree with that. But just remember that this group of guys are probably the most mentally fragile in recent memory. So that probably did push them over the edge.