8/25: German vs Kershaw

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Despite a few miscues, some hard hit balls finding Dodger gloves rather easily, it was an unsustainable one-run loss. Friday was dominant. Yankees have been the better team this series, and I expect tonight to prove this to be the case again. Make it so, Domingo, time to step up and move past some of these road struggles of late.

Enjoy the inevitable inanity in the booth and the offense pounding Kershaw. Put on a show for LA by showing who really has the best baseball team in all the land. In the words of Tim Dog, Fuck Compton.
 

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Despite a few miscues, some hard hit balls finding Dodger gloves rather easily, it was an unsustainable one-run loss. Friday was dominant. Yankees have been the better team this series, and I expect tonight to prove this to be the case again. Make it so, Domingo, time to step up and move past some of these road struggles of late.

Enjoy the inevitable inanity in the booth and the offense pounding Kershaw. Put on a show for LA by showing who really has the best baseball team in all the land. In the words of Tim Dog, Fuck Compton.
The Astros have a clearly better pythagorean win expectation than the yankees.
 

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The Astros have a clearly better pythagorean win expectation than the yankees.
I agree with this. The pecking order in October is pretty clear. The Yankees’ best chance is to create a pitching platform that Boston utilized last fall, perhaps to the detriment of its starters. Ample use of relievers, and use starters as relievers. The jury is still out on whether that system works. Houston can roll with a traditional approach. The Yankees could start out that way, with Paxton, German and Tanaka. If they get lucky with Seve and Betances, they could plug those two into unconventional roles. Seems like a desperate move.
 

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I agree with this. The pecking order in October is pretty clear. The Yankees’ best chance is to create a pitching platform that Boston utilized last fall, perhaps to the detriment of its starters. Ample use of relievers, and use starters as relievers. The jury is still out on whether that system works. Houston can roll with a traditional approach. The Yankees could start out that way, with Paxton, German and Tanaka. If they get lucky with Seve and Betances, they could plug those two into unconventional roles. Seems like a desperate move.
But, weren't the Sox using starters as relievers to cover for a weak pen? The yankees have a strong pen. It's their starters who look to be problematic. Are you just talking about pulling starters in the 3rd or 4th innings at the first sign of trouble?
 

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I agree with this. The pecking order in October is pretty clear. The Yankees’ best chance is to create a pitching platform that Boston utilized last fall, perhaps to the detriment of its starters. Ample use of relievers, and use starters as relievers. The jury is still out on whether that system works. Houston can roll with a traditional approach. The Yankees could start out that way, with Paxton, German and Tanaka. If they get lucky with Seve and Betances, they could plug those two into unconventional roles. Seems like a desperate move.
I think the Yankees will have a much simpler approach. Starters with a very short leash and crossing their fingers that Chad Green only has to come in for 3 innings once.
 

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But, weren't the Sox using starters as relievers to cover for a weak pen? The yankees have a strong pen. It's their starters who look to be problematic. Are you just talking about pulling starters in the 3rd or 4th innings at the first sign of trouble?
Hell, the first signs of trouble for Yankee starters often occur in the first inning. Some have suggested an “opener” strategy for two of the first four games through the rotation. You may see some dress rehearsals in the second half of September if the Yanks can maintain their comfortable lead in the East.
 

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I think the Yankees will have a much simpler approach. Starters with a very short leash and crossing their fingers that Chad Green only has to come in for 3 innings once.
That’s the safe way to manage this decision. Boone wasted time recognizing trouble among his starters last October so maybe he will be more proactive. I would prefer a more radical approach. Throw Deivi in as an opener, just to mess with hitters’ heads. Test him two or three times in September to see if he can handle the pressure. Probably not. But Seve seems a natural opener. Green, too.
 

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Regarding NY and Houston SP, the info below is the OPS for 1st and 2nd time through the order by NY and Houston’s top three starters. There isn’t a big difference and while the Astros top three are effective the 3rd time through the order, that’s where the Yankees BP can come in to remain competitive. I think we saw a possible pitching scenario last night as Boone only kept CC in to face Dodgers the 1st and 2nd through the order despite having pitched only 78 pitches in 4 innings.


Paxton
1st: .798 (This reflects his horrid 10+ ERA 1st inning, but he has been much better lately)
2nd: .680

German
1st: .620
2nd: .748

Tanaka
1st: .651
2nd: .740

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Verlander
1st: .639
2nd: .544

Cole
1st: .611
2nd: .591

Greinke
1st: .565
2nd: .723

The average OPS for 1st and 2nd time through the order is NY .706 and HOU .612.
 

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So yeah, as Crow mentioned, a very short leash. But, preferable a predictable short leash that spans only the 1st and 2nd time through the order for German.
 

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I don't think you can get too much out of 2019 stats, NY hasn't had their entire team or anything close all season and they still hope to for the postseason. If you asked people March 1 who NY's top SP and reliever were, Severino and Betances would have gotten the most votes, and neither has pitched even once all season. Health matters, home-field advantage matters with these teams all being so good at home, 2019 individual performance up to now I don't think matters so much.
 

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But, weren't the Sox using starters as relievers to cover for a weak pen? The yankees have a strong pen. It's their starters who look to be problematic. Are you just talking about pulling starters in the 3rd or 4th innings at the first sign of trouble?
I didn't remember this until I saw the box score again yesterday, but this is essentially what NY did in the wild card game last year: Severino for 4, Betances for 2, Robertson for 1, Britton for 1, Chapman for 1.


They don't have Robertson any more but they have Ottavino and Kahnle and a better overall set of 12 postseason pitchers, so they can easily cover innings if the starter/long man (if they use an opener) only needs to go around 4 innings.
 

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Jordan Montgomery has started his rehab assignment, two perfect innings opening the high A Tampa game today. I have no idea how they will get all the 40 man spots they need, so good thing that's not my job.
 

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I didn't remember this until I saw the box score again yesterday, but this is essentially what NY did in the wild card game last year: Severino for 4, Betances for 2, Robertson for 1, Britton for 1, Chapman for 1.


They don't have Robertson any more but they have Ottavino and Kahnle and a better overall set of 12 postseason pitchers, so they can easily cover innings if the starter/long man (if they use an opener) only needs to go around 4 innings.
Yes, and that starter has to keep the game close. We’ve all seen how quickly Tanaka and Happ can blow up. Of course, we need not even mention Happ in a postseason discussion. What might his role be? Long man? Loogy?
 

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Yes, and that starter has to keep the game close. We’ve all seen how quickly Tanaka and Happ can blow up. Of course, we need not even mention Happ in a postseason discussion. What might his role be? Long man? Loogy?
Happ gets pinstripe pom poms.
 

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Happ gets pinstripe pom poms.
I assume both Happ and CC are idle for the first round. Does that leave room for Deivi? Do they need 13 pitchers, or use an extra bench player, perhaps a pinch-runner? Way too early for this, I know. They need to get Seve and Dellin ready first. Or maybe they get hurt again.
 

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12 pitchers should be enough, 4 starters/bulk guys and 8 relievers.
 

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TB loses to BAL again, they have lost as many games to BAL in the last 24 hours as NY did all season. So NY will get out of LA with either a 8 or a 9 game lead, yay.
 

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I'm not sure I've ever heard an announcer be factually wrong as often as A-Rod. He just said Seager's AB would have been different if he hadn't swung through the first pitch, except it was in the strike zone also, YOU DOOFUS.
 

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Yes, A-Rod, "great example of the ball jumping during day games here yesterday", IN A GAME THAT ENDED UP JUST 2-1.

YOU DOOFUS.
 

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He was actually better on the YES game, I think that's a more comfortable role for him, he can be a NY fan without having to hide it and he does know a bunch of their guys reasonably well. He just can't stop himself from saying things that are wrong all the time, maybe he'll get better with experience.
 

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He was actually better on the YES game, I think that's a more comfortable role for him, he can be a NY fan without having to hide it and he does know a bunch of their guys reasonably well. He just can't stop himself from saying things that are wrong all the time, maybe he'll get better with experience.
I noticed that, too. He was great with Cone, in particular. Respectful, self-deprecating. Almost human.
 

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Yeah, he's not smart but he's much smarter than Il Douche. I really think if he had a producer who just constantly reminded him that he doesn't need to prove how knowledgable he is every five minutes and he can just talk when he has insights to add, he could be ok. I'm not holding my breath, just saying.
 

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Judge doesn't seem so hurt anymore.

The shadows are creeping out towards the mound, leading before then is huge.
 

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Great jump by Brett especially given the strange sun/shadow conditions, saved two runs.
 

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4 PM local starts are the dumbest, the shadows generally ruin around 3 innings.