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moretsyndrome

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Literally threw the same pitch 6 times at the same speed
I'm still stunned that he threw the same slider 23 times in a row and didn't get punished. I've never seen anything like that with a breaking pitch. Outside of the Fruitbat's cutter or maybe a knuckleball, I don't think I've ever seen the same exact pitch that many times in a row, and it was nowhere near a plus pitch. One way to short-circuit any sign-stealing, I guess.
 

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I just read an inning by inning account of last night's game, and it seems that JD Martinez was terrible, making out after out, in at least two cases stranding runners.
Two things: how would his apparent decline have been prevented by getting Rizzo, for example? Wouldn't he still be high in the line-up? And also, if he's tired out, why play him on the field? He may think he's better when he does also field, but that doesn't seem to be true. I am hoping that Schwarber can DH when he comes back, maybe starting by PHitting. Maybe that will help with the runners stranded issue.
 

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I'm still stunned that he threw the same slider 23 times in a row and didn't get punished. I've never seen anything like that with a breaking pitch. Outside of the Fruitbat's cutter or maybe a knuckleball, I don't think I've ever seen the same exact pitch that many times in a row, and it was nowhere near a plus pitch. One way to short-circuit any sign-stealing, I guess.
Dale Mohorcic and Mark Eichhorn come to mind.
 

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I'm still stunned that he threw the same slider 23 times in a row and didn't get punished. I've never seen anything like that with a breaking pitch. Outside of the Fruitbat's cutter or maybe a knuckleball, I don't think I've ever seen the same exact pitch that many times in a row, and it was nowhere near a plus pitch. One way to short-circuit any sign-stealing, I guess.
It’s a plus plus pitch. It has one of the lowest hard-hit % in all of baseball. The Rays acquired him and have him throwing only that pitch and he’s been lights out.
 

moretsyndrome

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It’s a plus plus pitch. It has one of the lowest hard-hit % in all of baseball. The Rays acquired him and have him throwing only that pitch and he’s been lights out.
I can't argue against his overall success this year, but I would argue that his meal ticket was not very sharp last night, with mediocre depth and break. I'll give him credit for hanging on without his best stuff, but there were a frustrating number of sliders that were way too high and essentially ended up middle-middle that were just missed. Probably not something I'd obsess over unless it happened to punctuate a 4-game skid.
 

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I just read an inning by inning account of last night's game, and it seems that JD Martinez was terrible, making out after out, in at least two cases stranding runners.
Two things: how would his apparent decline have been prevented by getting Rizzo, for example? Wouldn't he still be high in the line-up? And also, if he's tired out, why play him on the field? He may think he's better when he does also field, but that doesn't seem to be true. I am hoping that Schwarber can DH when he comes back, maybe starting by PHitting. Maybe that will help with the runners stranded issue.
JD needs a Verdugo like drop in the lineup. It’s obvious every time he comes up with RISP what he will do. And he does it.

He needs a break, and he needs to not be in high leverage situations.
 

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Wasn't JDM's wrist smacked by someone trying to tag him sliding into 3rd and it clearly was seriously painful.... he really has been on a big downslide since then.
 

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It would be quite something if our season is derailed because of a couple wrists. And at least one of them was on a dumb base running play.
 

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Speaking of bad hands, Brad Hand was as bad for the Jays in his debut as many of us thought he'd be if the Sox somehow tried to acquire him. Starting the top of the 10th: a wild pitch, a rocket single to score the ghost runner, then a massive 2 run HR. Losing pitcher in a 5-2 game.
 

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Speaking of bad hands, Brad Hand was as bad for the Jays in his debut as many of us thought he'd be if the Sox somehow tried to acquire him. Starting the top of the 10th: a wild pitch, a rocket single to score the ghost runner, then a massive 2 run HR. Losing pitcher in a 5-2 game.
Every time I’ve paid attention to him (admittedly not a lot) he’s been terrible.
 

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On the flip side, in 2004 the Cardinal's ace (Chris Carpenter) was injured and missed the WS and I think Pujols was a little banged up too. And in 2013 when the Sox squeaked by the Tigers in the ALCS, I recall Miguel Cabrera had some injury (abdominal strain?) and was a singles hitter at best. Probably other examples from '04 (Olerud and Quantril both got hurt in the middle of the ALCS), '07, '13, and '18 too, but those come immediately to mind.

edit: oh yeah, Carlos Beltran got injured robbing Ortiz of a grand slam during the 2013 WS*

*and because of this, Ortiz only ended up with a .688 batting average, seven runs, 11 hits, two home runs, six RBIs, seven walks and a .760 OBP
 

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Ted Williams in '46. He got hit in the elbow in an exhibition game pre-WS, and some think it hindered his hitting against the Cards.

Also Tony C in '67.
Ok, thanks..............exhibition game..................yeah, the pre 2004 RS were cursed.
 

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On the flip side, in 2004 the Cardinal's ace (Chris Carpenter) was injured and missed the WS and I think Pujols was a little banged up too. And in 2013 when the Sox squeaked by the Tigers in the ALCS, I recall Miguel Cabrera had some injury (abdominal strain?) and was a singles hitter at best. Probably other examples from '04 (Olerud and Quantril both got hurt in the middle of the ALCS), '07, '13, and '18 too, but those come immediately to mind.

edit: oh yeah, Carlos Beltran got injured robbing Ortiz of a grand slam during the 2013 WS*

*and because of this, Ortiz only ended up with a .688 batting average, seven runs, 11 hits, two home runs, six RBIs, seven walks and a .760 OBP
If Rivera's nephew doesn't catch a toaster in the pool, does 2004 happen?