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That's a very good move for Philly. Thank god it happened AFTER they let Jimmy Butler go. Wonder what Tobias Harris thinks.
 

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That is a nice fit for Philly. Have to guess it also maximizes odds they run it back.
 

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The past half dozen years have shown that Doc, who is by all accounts a players coach, may be falling behind there as well. To be fair, he has had some difficult veterans to manage but he isn't exactly walking into the most stable situation in this case. The 76ers running it back with a retread coach is likely good for the rest of the East but it feels like a sideways move for Philadelphia.
 

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The past half dozen years have shown that Doc, who is by all accounts a players coach, may be falling behind there as well. To be fair, he has had some difficult veterans to manage but he isn't exactly walking into the most stable situation in this case. The 76ers running it back with a retread coach is likely good for the rest of the East but it feels like a sideways move for Philadelphia.
Yes, I don't think anyone here is more worried about Philly now after this move. It does not indicate great things about their ownership and front office (not that there were many great things indicated prior).
 

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Yes, I don't think anyone here is more worried about Philly now after this move. It does not indicate great things about their ownership and front office (not that there were many great things indicated prior).
Why does hiring Doc reflect negatively on ownership and the front office?
 

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The GM whose approach couldn't bring a title to Houston, the coach who couldn't get the Clippers to the Finals and the players who can't figure out a way to win

What could go wrong?
 

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With the anti-smallball roster, it will be interesting to see if morey-ball changes or he looks to start The Process all over again.
 

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With the anti-smallball roster, it will be interesting to see if morey-ball changes or he looks to start The Process all over again.
He won't start The Process. If anything he was the anti-Hinkie, he tried to win a title every year, even when you could argue it would have made sense to take a step back.

The real question is..... does this make it more likely that they finally call time on the "well eventually we'll find a way for Ben and Joel to work together, even though they are both best in the same 10 ft. of real estate" and moves one for a real perimeter player.
 

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He won't start The Process. If anything he was the anti-Hinkie, he tried to win a title every year, even when you could argue it would have made sense to take a step back.

The real question is..... does this make it more likely that they finally call time on the "well eventually we'll find a way for Ben and Joel to work together, even though they are both best in the same 10 ft. of real estate" and moves one for a real perimeter player.
I was more joking on the "the process" side, but the roster as constructed isn't working. Morey probably realizes that Joel/Ben/Tobias - one if not two of them need to move. We have already had that conversation a few times though...
 

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Kevin O’Connor with a piece exploring what Morey might be thinking about Philly’s current roster, and that he might be ok with keeping Simmons and Embiid together despite their lack of efficient three point shooting.

With respect to Embiid, he’s efficient enough in the post that it doesn’t matter quite so much that he’s not a threat from deep, and Morey has had an eye for traditional centers in the past, despite dumping Capela this season:
Embiid posted up so much for good reason: According to Synergy Sports, he scored 1.1 points per post-up in the regular season and 1.2 points per post-up in the postseason, two of the most efficient big-man post-scoring numbers in history. Embiid has developed each season to become a potent post presence, and any team that has him would be foolish not to feed him opportunities there. Morey dumped Clint Capela not because he was a center, but because his offensive contributions were minimal compared to Embiid and he wasn’t quite elite on defense either.

Morey actually has a history of utilizing and coveting some of the game’s best bigs. He built his first Rockets teams around Yao Ming. In 2011, he made a run at Pau Gasol. In 2013, he acquired Dwight Howard, which obviously didn’t work out. In 2014, he came close to adding Chris Bosh in free agency. Morey has since used young players and bargains at center while leaning more and more into shooting and spacing, but a cook can only work with the ingredients they have.
I’m less sold on the argument that Simmons is a Morey-esque player, and O’Connor discusses the need for a primary half court ball handler and shot creator, floating some potential trade targets like CP3 and Kyle Lowry, though he notes that they don’t have a great chest of assets to deal from.
 

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What does Simmons do on offense if he doesn't have the ball and Embiid is also on the court? I don't even know where he stands on the floor.

You could run a PnR with Simmons screening and rolling, but where do you put Embiid? If you stick him above the three point line do people even guard him? He can't really be down low clogging up the paint.
With Embiid screening, maybe you can get him to pop and then run some action with Simmons cutting to the basket. Embiid has a decent pick and pop game, but probably isn't the guy you want making a pass to a cutter. Embiid isn't good rolling to the basket, so having Simmons near the paint isn't as big of a deal.

If someone can figure out how they fit on offense with a real primary ball handler (i.e. someone who can run a PnR, i.e. NOT Simmons) and Morey can actually get someone competent (like a Jeff Teague type, but not actually 32 year old Jeff Teague), Philly is going to be quite good... maybe +5-+6 SRS good and a legit title contender.
 

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Gotta give Morey credit. Got off Horford and surrounded Simmons/Embiid with shooting, which is probably an easier path to contention than getting quarters on the dollar back for either of them.

I’m also enjoying the schadenfreude of Al spending the last couple years of his career in basketball purgatory. Entirely his own doing.
 

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Why? You’re mad because Al took $90M?
Al actually took $97M plus an additional $12M in bonuses. Still, Al had made something like $160MM prior to that, had an option for approximately $30MM and had a four-year offer from the Cs. Even if were for 4/$80MM, his lifetime earnings would have been somewhere around $240MM, plus he would play with a perennial championship contender where he knew his role and had a coach who knew how to use them.

Instead, over, maybe $20MM, he went to another team where he wasn't a good fit and now sits and wonders who he'll be playing for next year or whether he's going to be playing on a lottery team. Not necessarily the way I'd like to end out my career but if that extra $20MM means that much to him, I guess it's fitting.

Sometimes the grass is greener but other times it isn't. One of the great connundrums in life.
 

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I do, however, find it karmic to see a guy take the money and get utterly boned in terms of chance to win.
You know he signed with a team that was deemed as having a better chance at a championship than the team he left?

This seems outrageously petty to feel this way.
 

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Not mad: you can find the thread when he signed the deal: I was happy not to pay for his decline.

I do, however, find it karmic to see a guy take the money and get utterly boned in terms of chance to win.
Philly looked more like a championship contender when he signed there than Boston. This is ridiculous hindsight.
 

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You know he signed with a team that was deemed as having a better chance at a championship than the team he left?

This seems outrageously petty to feel this way.
Plus he didn't have to play the 5 against guys like Embiid.
 

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The Celtics were trying to recover from the AD snub and the Kyrie tire fire. Then Al caught the Celtics (and ALL of us) off-guard when he left for our biggest EC rival...it's a business and we get that.

Al was universally loved around here, no one dared call him "Average Al" on this board. The Celtics Brass showed him tons of respect, no one said an ill word about Al when he left for the Sixers. The Fans gave him an ovation when he returned.

Horford took the money and what appeared to be the easy road to Championship glory. While I could care less about Horford at the moment, this is sports and if you go to a rival, fans have every right to say "good riddance".
 

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I love the addition of Curry as having a guard in the JJ Redick role was something clearly missing from the Sixers last year. I wonder how much Seth likes/dislikes being on road trips with his father-in-law having a hawkeye out for him though. Lol
 

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I love the addition of Curry as having a guard in the JJ Redick role was something clearly missing from the Sixers last year. I wonder how much Seth likes/dislikes being on road trips with his father-in-law having a hawkeye out for him though. Lol
Yeah, I've said before that Philadelphia badly missed Redick, as there is a difference in spacing when it comes to a solid catch-and-shoot guy like Richardson, and "guy who is so lethal that you absolutely have to be close to him otherwise the ball is definitely going in" in Curry. Curry is legitimately one of the best shooters ever, he is second in career 3FG%, slightly behind Steve Kerr and slightly ahead of his brother. Post-All Star break last season he averaged 16 ppg and shot 50% from three. He obviously will be a big defensive downgrade from Richardson, but Philly should be fine on defense given how many studs they have, what they really needed was a lethal sniper and they got that.