72 Suburbs in Search of a City: Anthony Davis to Los Angeles Lakers

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So, Kyrie is all but gone. AD a Laker. Hopefully, we can flip our picks or something else to maybe get #4. I covet Garland. Would fit perfectly.
 

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I want to see an entertaining team that plays with intelligence and cohesion. I'm not interested in overhyped stars. I realize this is passe in today's nba,
 

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The Lakers have been in the lottery like six times in the past 25 years. They’re not an organization that historically loses and rebuilds. Even in a post-Lebron era, I wouldn’t count on those 1st round picks being high lottery picks.
 

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The Lakers have been in the lottery like six times in the past 25 years. They’re not an organization that historically loses and rebuilds. Even in a post-Lebron era, I wouldn’t count on those 1st round picks being high lottery picks.
“Wouldn’t count on” and “guaranteed late 1st rounders” are pretty different things.

Billy King thought the Nets reign would last 20 years too.
 

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The Lakers have been in the lottery like six times in the past 25 years. They’re not an organization that historically loses and rebuilds. Even in a post-Lebron era, I wouldn’t count on those 1st round picks being high lottery picks.
They've been in the lottery six times in the past six years.
 

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The Lakers have been in the lottery like six times in the past 25 years. They’re not an organization that historically loses and rebuilds. Even in a post-Lebron era, I wouldn’t count on those 1st round picks being high lottery picks.
This is your argument, seriously? They have picked 7, 2, 2, 2, and 4 in the past six seasons.
 

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The Lakers have been in the lottery like six times in the past 25 years. They’re not an organization that historically loses and rebuilds. Even in a post-Lebron era, I wouldn’t count on those 1st round picks being high lottery picks.
The Lakers haven’t been in the postseason in six years. I wouldn’t count on those picks being in the 20s. ;)
 

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So, Kyrie is all but gone. AD a Laker. Hopefully, we can flip our picks or something else to maybe get #4. I covet Garland. Would fit perfectly.
I don't see how Boston gets there without giving up something that hurts.. No way NO takes 14. 22 and filler . Your talking 14 and Memphis, or Maybe 14 and Brown.

Honestly, if you really love a guy who is there at 4, I'd probably give up Memphis to get it. Sur it is a magic box that might contain a future superstar, but then again if you like a Garland, a lot, there is a real chance you won't get a player that good with the Memphis pick (not saying i would make the swap, but if your evaluators thought Garland was the real deal and a core building block piece, then you consider it)
 

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Asking for a friend: Is what the Celtics could get at 4 going to be an improvement on what they'd trade to get the pick?
 

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I’d love to hear what Griffin’s alternate plan should have been. Hold onto Davis another 6 months and hope that a team fell out of the sky with a better offer? All but a few teams would know he’s a rental so they’d presumably have put their best offer out there now if they had interest.
I wouldn't have been surprised to see someone jump in, Denver has attractive assets to move, Portland might give up CJ, maybe Brooklyn jumps in and give up LeVert +

Asking for a friend: Is what the Celtics could get at 4 going to be an improvement on what they'd trade to get the pick?
They wouldn't. I mean maybe Danny falls in love with someone, but most of the talk has been that 4-10, maybe even 4-15 is a pretty flat tier.
I really doubt the Celtics have an interest in trading up in this draft. If I were making bets, it would be that they trade at least 1, maybe 2 picks either for players or future picks.
 

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I am completely at peace with this. Thank God we can close the book on Kyrie Irving in Boston.

The C's have multiple two-way wings with size and length - the most important and difficult to find players in the NBA.

I trust Danny to find a scoring PG and some athletic bigs to put around them. Especially with the draft capital he still has.

New Orleans must love Ball and Ingram, or must be REALLY convinced that the Lakers will crash and burn post-Lebron. Because on paper they got nothing high end in return.

I'm kind of surprised the Knicks couldn't beat that deal with an offer centered on #3, since they're the other team that could have kept AD long-term.
 

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It’s infuriating that the Lakers get rewarded for drafting poorly at #2 (not one Laker fan is going to miss Ingram nor Ball) while Ainge drafted so well at #3 in the same drafts. It’s like watching some rich kid land a 100K job out of college even though he is an idiot while you busted your ass for years.
So you re saying that the Lakers are AJ Soprano basically. I have to admit, the analogy holds on many levels, since the Lakers seem to be behaving as dumb as AJ.
 

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New Orleans must love Ball and Ingram, or must be REALLY convinced that the Lakers will crash and burn post-Lebron. Because on paper they got nothing high end in return.
What if the GM of New Orleans knows what a LeBron-led franchise is like? This is a deal where New Orleans is banking on Laker missteps.

Ball just isn’t a high-potential player to me. He can’t shoot and can’t get to the rim which limits the effectiveness of his court vision. Ingram was playing pretty solid basketball before he went down, but he’s not a lock to be an All Star.
 

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The Magic seal of approval officially makes this a bad trade for the Lakers.

Thanks Earv!
Its hilarious in lieu of his Pelinka comments after stepping down. The interesting thing will now be who chases rings with a LeBron-Davis-Kuzma-Walker core. With the Warriors weaker one way or another and Kawhi potentially on the move, there may be more veterans than usual willing to gamble for one season that LeBron/Davis can deliver on their promise.
 

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Count me in the camp that didn’t really want AD. Maybe this is due to my lowered interest in watching basketball the last couple years, and/or the fact that we aren’t starved for a championship around here, but I’d rather have a team that is likable and I want to root for. I know I’m in the minority, and I know ownership obviously thinks differently, but is that high one night of winning it all with a team I don’t like or don’t care to root for better than 7 to 8 months of enjoying rooting for them?
 

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No one wanted Kawhi last year either.

The path to serious championship contention has closed for awhile.
 

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Yeah I think the takeaway is that Ainge and team didn't believe they would have any success convincing Davis to stay, especially with Irving all but gone. Griffin clearly wanted a package centered around Tatum and the Celtics couldn't stomach Tatum for a one and done.

I am not sure the team being "likable" means anything to the Celtics front office - if they thought they could compete for one season with Kyrie and Davis, I think they would have done the trade.
 

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No one wanted Kawhi last year either.

The path to serious championship contention has closed for awhile.
Eh. We just saw Toronto will the NBA title after pretty much everyone gave it to the Warriors. Things happen.
 

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Considering they didn't make the deal, maybe they don't think that differently.
True, but I was trying to insinuate the point of ownership always wanting a championship due to added franchise value and added playoff revenue, they wouldn’t be as ok with “just a likable team”
 

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Yeah I think the takeaway is that Ainge and team didn't believe they would have any success convincing Davis to stay, especially with Irving all but gone. Griffin clearly wanted a package centered around Tatum and the Celtics couldn't stomach Tatum for a one and done.

I am not sure the team being "likable" means anything to the Celtics front office - if they thought they could compete for one season with Kyrie and Davis, I think they would have done the trade.
yeah again sorry I wasn’t referring to the point of the front office wanting a likable team, yeah they want to win at almost all costs.

But it looks like they weren’t willing to take that chance on that trade. They obviously have a plan for this very outcome, one that they are confident in enough to not give up Tatum. I think Danny has enough good will when it comes to roster building that he will still guide the Celtics to a competitive team

Edit: double quote
 

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Its hilarious in lieu of his Pelinka comments after stepping down. The interesting thing will now be who chases rings with a LeBron-Davis-Kuzma-Walker core. With the Warriors weaker one way or another and Kawhi potentially on the move, there may be more veterans than usual willing to gamble for one season that LeBron/Davis can deliver on their promise.
Assuming that Walker turns down the Charlotte cash for whatever the Lakers can give him.
 

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Zion, Zo and Jrue is a helluva defensive core. Will be a fun team to watch, but Zion will have the same spacing problems he saw at Duke with Zo and Ingram.

It sucks that AD’s a Laker, but when his agent was doing everything in his power to make that happen, feels pretty inevitable. Maybe AD hates playing with the Lebron circus and bolts after this year. That would be poetic. I’m glad we didn’t give up Tatum. He had an off year, but I still really believe he’s a perennial All Star soon. And losing Marcus Smart would’ve really hurt. Root-ability does matter to me, particularly with the Celtics, so I’m excited to watch this team grow.
 

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Its hilarious in lieu of his Pelinka comments after stepping down. The interesting thing will now be who chases rings with a LeBron-Davis-Kuzma-Walker core. With the Warriors weaker one way or another and Kawhi potentially on the move, there may be more veterans than usual willing to gamble for one season that LeBron/Davis can deliver on their promise.
Assuming Kemba is willing to give up something like what $50-$60m by not taking the supermax
 

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I am completely at peace with this. Thank God we can close the book on Kyrie Irving in Boston.

The C's have multiple two-way wings with size and length - the most important and difficult to find players in the NBA.

I trust Danny to find a scoring PG and some athletic bigs to put around them. Especially with the draft capital he still has.

New Orleans must love Ball and Ingram, or must be REALLY convinced that the Lakers will crash and burn post-Lebron. Because on paper they got nothing high end in return.

I'm kind of surprised the Knicks couldn't beat that deal with an offer centered on #3, since they're the other team that could have kept AD long-term.
Yeah, I'm just glad it's over. Let's see what Trader Danny can do with this hand.
Zion, Zo and Jrue is a helluva defensive core. Will be a fun team to watch, but Zion will have the same spacing problems he saw at Duke with Zo and Ingram.

It sucks that AD’s a Laker, but when his agent was doing everything in his power to make that happen, feels pretty inevitable. Maybe AD hates playing with the Lebron circus and bolts after this year. That would be poetic. I’m glad we didn’t give up Tatum. He had an off year, but I still really believe he’s a perennial All Star soon. And losing Marcus Smart would’ve really hurt. Root-ability does matter to me, particularly with the Celtics, so I’m excited to watch this team grow.
I'm low on Lonzo, but him running the break with Zion should be a lot of fun.
 

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Assuming Kemba is willing to give up something like what $50-$60m by not taking the supermax
Two days ago, Kemba said he would take less than the max to stay, so I guess we'll find out what's more important to him - CHA or super team with a path to a championship.
 

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Lonzo is fun as hell. His dad is an asshole but I’m not out on Lonzo as a valuable NBA player.
 

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Lakers saw what happened to KD and Klay and saw an opening. Good for them. They’ll be a good team. Doesn’t guarantee squat when the West still has some strong teams. I could see them getting to a conference final but no further, subject to change depending on who else signs and where
 

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Two days ago, Kemba said he would take less than the max to stay, so I guess we'll find out what's more important to him - CHA or super team with a path to a championship.
I feel like the Kemba thing is essentially already done behind closed doors, I don't think you go all in like this from LA's perspective unless you know who you can definitely get as the third guy.
 

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I feel like the Kemba thing is essentially already done behind closed doors, I don't think you go all in like this from LA's perspective unless you know who you can definitely get as the third guy.
The Lakers may well pay a heavy price for this in 5 years, but yeah this is a great deal for them for the next 3-4 years. It will be interesting to see how the Lakers are about to get about 5 more guys who can contribute on to the roster
 

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That Lakers team needs shooting still (JJ landing spot?), and it's hard to know how good they will be until they fill out the rest of team. I like the Clippers chances if Kawhi goes there.
 

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The Celtics would have lost Tatum, mostly likely Smart (needed for the salary cap situation), and probably the Memphis pick to obtain Davis. Kyrie obviously made it clear he was leaving no matter what, and Davis' agent made it clear he was a rental for any team by the Lakers. I'm not even sure the Knicks were convinced about Davis' desire to stay in NY had they acquired him. So, the 2020-21 Celtics would have been Brown (RFA), Hayward (player option), Horford (maybe), Williams (assuming he didn't go in the trade), and.... They would be kissing the lottery for several years without any hope of contending for at least a decade if not multiple decades.

It's not going to be easy, and it may not even succeed, but the Celtics at least have a core of promising young players to rebuild around, and an interesting asset in the Memphis pick.
 

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Are people bagging on Griffin? He killed it with this deal. It’s basically the deadline deal plus the Nets deal. You can’t do better.
 

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Are people bagging on Griffin? He killed it with this deal. It’s basically the deadline deal plus the Nets deal. You can’t do better.
Biggest name > better haul ... or something like that, I think