72 Suburbs in Search of a City: Anthony Davis to Los Angeles Lakers

nighthob

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wait why couldn't the Lakers offer him a supermax in 2 years if he signs a 2-year deal with them today? He's got 8 years of service as of right now, that would bring him to 10 and make him eligible for the 35% max. Per CBA FAQ, he can't sign it early now because he hasn't been with the same team continuously, but anyone with 10+ years of experience and meeting the Designated Veteran criteria can be offered up to the 35% max, right?
To reiterate, there is no supermax unless you’re with the team that drafted you and they’re giving you a DVPE contract. There’s just a standard 35% max deal for ten year vets in Kawhi’s case.

He can sign a contract with an ETO with the Lakers to reach the 35% level as soon as possible, but that deal would only come with 5% annual raises as the Lakers wouldn’t have Bird Rights. Toronto does, so he can sign an ETO deal to reach his 35% max at the earliest possible date, and get 8% annual raises in the meantime.
 

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To reiterate, there is no supermax unless you’re with the team that drafted you and they’re giving you a DVPE contract. There’s just a standard 35% max deal for ten year vets in Kawhi’s case.

He can sign a contract with an ETO with the Lakers to reach the 35% level as soon as possible, but that deal would only come with 5% annual raises as the Lakers wouldn’t have Bird Rights. Toronto does, so he can sign an ETO deal to reach his 35% max at the earliest possible date, and get 8% annual raises in the meantime.
I think the bolded is incorrect. If KL signed a 2+1 with LAL or two 1+1 contracts, in 2021 LAL would have Early Bird rights and be able to offer 8% raises. However, it would only be able to offer a four-year extension. By contrast, TOR would have full Bird rights and would be able to offer a five-year extension. See #25 in http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm.
 

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wait why couldn't the Lakers offer him a supermax in 2 years if he signs a 2-year deal with them today? He's got 8 years of service as of right now, that would bring him to 10 and make him eligible for the 35% max. Per CBA FAQ, he can't sign it early now because he hasn't been with the same team continuously, but anyone with 10+ years of experience and meeting the Designated Veteran criteria can be offered up to the 35% max, right?
As Nighthob says, if KL signed with LAL he could sign a "designated veteran extension/contract" in 2021 but as I pointed out, it would only be 4 years, not 5, as LAL would have only Early Bird rights.

It will be interesting to see if KL will take that risk either with LAL or TOR.

I have finally found on Reddit a breakdown of what KL could earn under what various contracts TOR or LAL could offer, and again while I am not an expert on the cap, the numbers seem correct to me. Lot to consider if I were in KL's shoes.

 

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Potential delay in AD trade:

so the hawks are getting screwed because the lakers and kawhi are waiting, at least presumably some of the compensation built in that the pels are getting from LA is because they were maybe going to have to wait, atlanta's getting nothing from la.
 

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Too bad the Hawks GM isn't, say, ML Carr. Well, for a bunch of reasons among them that he'd be like "Fuck LA"
 

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Is DeAndre Hunter playing for Hawks in summer league? I just wonder what would happen if he got hurt before this trade finalizes.
 

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Such a joke franchise.

Edit: I could be singing a different tune if they land Kawhi and AD.. it just seems that this shit wasn't thought through. If course that could be a function of the way and order in which this is being reported.

I'd be shocked and happy if they somehow step on their dicks here.
 
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It's a great fit. The Lakers are in desperate need of guards and anyone who can be a solid rotation player on a playoff team, and Green fits both descriptions. Doesn't change the fact that it's a huge overpay (Green should send Kawhi a mil or two) and a massive letdown.
 

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This is so awesome. If LeBron gets hurt or declines, AD is stuck on a team that is 10x worse than anything he played with in NO, with no real assets left to deal. Karma is a bitch, I hope the rest of his career is a painful slog of mediocrity and big numbers.
 

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This is so awesome. If LeBron gets hurt or declines, AD is stuck on a team that is 10x worse than anything he played with in NO, with no real assets left to deal. Karma is a bitch, I hope the rest of his career is a painful slog of mediocrity and big numbers.
Isn’t he only under contract for this season? He could go elsewhere next summer if the Lakers are a mess, not that I am already dreaming about him to NY or anything.
 

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Isn’t he only under contract for this season? He could go elsewhere next summer if the Lakers are a mess, not that I am already dreaming about him to NY or anything.
Yup, just this season. And it's not like any 26-27 year-old superstar center has ever been traded to the Lakers in the last year of his deal and then bolted...

I'd prefer to see him suck forever on a capped out, no-asset LAL team though.
 

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How? Westbrook’s massive extension means that the Lakers would need to basically trade every guy they just signed, and hope that OKC thinks that Kuzma’s worth all that money. Better to wait until 12/15 and talk to the Knicks.
 

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How? Westbrook’s massive extension means that the Lakers would need to basically trade every guy they just signed, and hope that OKC thinks that Kuzma’s worth all that money. Better to wait until 12/15 and talk to the Knicks.
Yeah, the bolded is what I was thinking they might do. Agree the Knicks are more likely to do it.

(Minor nitpick re Kuzma that doesn't affect the overall much: he's 5.5M total the next 2 years, and then is an RFA)
 

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I meant that Kuzma’s the talent as the Lakers have already traded their picks. why would you pay millions of dollars to acquire Kuzma’s upside? Even the Knicks can top that.
 

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I meant that Kuzma’s the talent as the Lakers have already traded their picks. why would you pay millions of dollars to acquire Kuzma’s upside? Even the Knicks can top that.
Oh in that sense, totally agree. To be clear, I didn't mean this in the sense that I'm super scared of the Lakers acquiring him, or even of that being an awesome team long-term. It's more an illustration of how screwed the Lakers are that that's one of their best options.

Also, as you correctly note, they're now in the spot where, every time a good player comes up as a possibility, even on a bad contract (like Westbrook's), we're going to be like "oh wait, they actually don't have any assets at all to get him."
 

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Is Brooklyn going to have another max slot next summer? Because if so, they’re going to have a filthy team, assuming KD eventually gets back to something close to his pre-injury form (which I realize is not assured).
The cap is supposedly going up to about 177, so I think they could get there by trading/renouncing everything that’s not nailed down, but the more likely route would be a S&T.
 

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According to Broussard, Toronto had a strong meeting with Kawhi. Drake heavily involved. Kawhi wants Lakers, but is doing deep soul searching. Clippers are out.
Just want to bring this to the front
 

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Toronto may make a play for Westbrook. They have cap room now and, as with Kawhi, seem willing to roll the dice that they can sway a player.
 

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Does Avery Bradley land in Lakerland next now that he is on the market?
They already have one poor-man’s Danny Green in KCP, might as well add another. They can stack them like Russian dolls.

If Green’s healthy, he’s a great fit, even at that price range. But I thought he looked pretty slow in the playoffs, which was masked by his insane shooting performance. I don’t know if it was a specific injury, or just age related decline, but if LAL are giving him 15 mil, they can’t be too concerned with it.

Lol Broussard. He wishes he had a broken clock’s hit rate.
 

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Free agent guard Quinn Cook has reached an agreement with the Los Angeles Lakers on a two-year, $6 million deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

He's their only PG on the roster as of now, Rondo and Caruso are still FAs.
 

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I believe that if you demand a trade, you forfeit the right to your "trade kicker". Crazy, I know, but that's just me.
I don't believe that is correct if you are being serious (sorry if sarcasm meter is broken). AD waived his trade kicker.
 

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I don't believe that is correct if you are being serious (sorry if sarcasm meter is broken). AD waived his trade kicker.
No, I realize that technically he could have received the extra four million. But, my logical side says, if you throw your current franchise into disarray and demand a trade to your pal's new superteam with two full years left on your contract, you shouldn't also be rewarded with extra money for doing so. In other words, fuck Anthony Davis.
 

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And would they offer that another team could not beat? The Lakers are not flush with assets right now.
Kuzma and................

They have nothing left to offer for the next half decade other than him.

It would be so damn sweet if they struggle this year, AD fires Klutch and takes his talents elsewhere.
 

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Kuzma and................

They have nothing left to offer for the next half decade other than him.

It would be so damn sweet if they struggle this year, AD fires Klutch and takes his talents elsewhere.
I was assured that it didn’t matter that the Lakers had traded away everything because Pelinka Got His Man.
 

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How much better would Lakers look if they just held Russell and Randle and used them either to fill out roster or as assets to get AD? Their front office has been beyond awful in the Magic-Pelinka era.
 

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I believe that if you demand a trade, you forfeit the right to your "trade kicker". Crazy, I know, but that's just me.
That really is how is "should" be. Where else can you essentially say, "I demand an x% bonus" when already under contract? Cuz that is what this is from a financial perspective.
 

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Quinn Cook was a nice signing.
Yup. They added Danny Green, Troy Daniels, and now Cook as shooters. For not landing Kawhi, they did ok with roster structure and depth when you include KCP and JaVale.

I can't wait for this season to start.
 

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I was assured that it didn’t matter that the Lakers had traded away everything because Pelinka Got His Man.
Someone took football spiking lessons from Gronk.

Having draft picks to deal, even if some of them might be in the 20s someday, actually does help. Trading all of them is never a good idea.
 

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Yup. They added Danny Green, Troy Daniels, and now Cook as shooters. For not landing Kawhi, they did ok with roster structure and depth when you include KCP and JaVale.

I can't wait for this season to start.
Green and Cook are good gets. Honestly not sure about Daniels. But if one is hanging ones hat on JaVale and KCP, one is not hanging banners.
 

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The big thing is LBJ and AD won’t be able to take nights off with the skeleton crew behind them. Seeding will be paramount in a crazy rugged conference. Although the 2 seed to them behind a Clips team wouldn’t matter for them being they share an arena. Small consolation for them.