7/30- 1st game post Michael Chavis

May 18, 2021
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Actually - with a modest upgrade at first, Scherzer and Sale, this team COULD have gone deep in the post season ....
And .... a BIGGER rebuild is on the horizon after 2022 .... 2022 itself might well be a great year, but after that it might take a few to get back. It's all pretty tricky, really. The state of team is betwixt and between, really ...
Sale is not likely to be doing a full workload this year, no matter how good he looks. For this season, he will be on the strictest pitch count he's ever been. And with Scherzer, he can still do it. But at his age, you always wonder about the next year, and yes, we would have had him under control for another year. But suppose he goes David Price next year. The farm system is going to take a couple more years to really get where it should be, and I can't see giving up what passes for top prospects to get a guy that could lose it at any time. Dombroski cleaned out our farm system, but at least he gave us a WS win. I can't believe this team could have gone all the way.. Remember, in the four World Championships we have won this century, we had solid starting rotations, not just two good guys and three warm bodies.

I'll settle for this overachieving year that I didn't expect to see if it means looking at some great teams a few years down the line.
 

patinorange

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The good: No Chavis, Arauz looks like a major leaguer at least. The bullpen is good, only one run and that was a wild pitch that most catchers block.
The bad, X and JD look horrible, as does Verdugo. Vaz has been dreadful for weeks. Perez is not really even a fifth starter, and Duran looks like he his heading to Dalbec territory with the bat and glove.
Need the stopper Nate, you're up.
 
May 18, 2021
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And what about Danny Cater.
A little history about Danny Cater. We traded Sparky Lyle who went on to be one of the great relievers in history because we needed a first baseman, because we had traded George Scott. We did have a prospect named Cecil Cooper, but then it occurred to the powers that would be that Cooper wasn't quite ready yet. So we gave Lyle to the Yankees for a joke of a first baseman who was to be the bridge to Cecil Cooper. A few years later, when Cooper made it to the bigs to stay, and was showing wht he could do with the bat, we traded him away for guess who, George Scott, who was entering the downside of his career. Cooper of course went on to have a great career with the Brewers. Think about this. We did a giveaway to the Yankees because Scott was gone and Cooper wasn't ready, and when Cooper was ready re traded him for a washed up Scott. WTF?
 

patoaflac

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A little history about Danny Cater. We traded Sparky Lyle who went on to be one of the great relievers in history because we needed a first baseman, because we had traded George Scott. We did have a prospect named Cecil Cooper, but then it occurred to the powers that would be that Cooper wasn't quite ready yet. So we gave Lyle to the Yankees for a joke of a first baseman who was to be the bridge to Cecil Cooper. A few years later, when Cooper made it to the bigs to stay, and was showing wht he could do with the bat, we traded him away for guess who, George Scott, who was entering the downside of his career. Cooper of course went on to have a great career with the Brewers. Think about this. We did a giveaway to the Yankees because Scott was gone and Cooper wasn't ready, and when Cooper was ready re traded him for a washed up Scott. WTF?
I lived through it, that was the reason I mentioned Cater.
 

geoduck no quahog

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Despite all the rational rationales about the deadline, you can’t help but be deflated watching competitors improve while essentially standing pat. This loss felt like a face slap after a gut punch.

I think the hardest part is agreeing with other SoSHers that Chaim thinks this isn’t a championship team, but can’t sell and won’t mortgage the future.

A nice win streak would help a lot right now.
 
May 18, 2021
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I lived through it, that was the reason I mentioned Cater.
I've met people who lived through it an know what a terrible deal Lyle for Cater was, but hadn't stopped to think of the whole Scott/Cooper thing. There was a sports writer for the Providence Journal whose name I won't mention that when I brought up this chain of trades, he hadn't stopped to think about it. It's understandable since the Lyle trade in itself would probably be the worst trade we ever made with the Yankees since Ruth, that everything else could get lost in the shuffle.
 
May 18, 2021
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I've met people who lived through it an know what a terrible deal Lyle for Cater was, but hadn't stopped to think of the whole Scott/Cooper thing. There was a sports writer for the Providence Journal whose name I won't mention that when I brought up this chain of trades, he hadn't stopped to think about it. It's understandable since the Lyle trade in itself would probably be the worst trade we ever made with the Yankees since Ruth, that everything else could get lost in the shuffle.
This is why we can't have nice things first basemen.
 
May 18, 2021
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Did you write at the Projo bulletin board?
Yes. This would have been in the mid to late 90s. I was introduced to the internet as a non-traditional older student at the University of Rhode Island. And there was a bulletin board on the projo site. I can't remember whether it was Red Sox specific or sports in general. I have no idea if that discussion board is still out there. I do remember the sportswriter who was running it gave it up because he was stretched too thin. But if it still there, I can tell you I posted under my secret identity rather than my superhero alter-ego of RhodeIslandAspie. And of course, in my secret identity, I am disguised as a mild mannered tech support guy in a medium size city fighting for truth, justice, and the American way.
 

patoaflac

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Yes. This would have been in the mid to late 90s. I was introduced to the internet as a non-traditional older student at the University of Rhode Island. And there was a bulletin board on the projo site. I can't remember whether it was Red Sox specific or sports in general. I have no idea if that discussion board is still out there. I do remember the sportswriter who was running it gave it up because he was stretched too thin. But if it still there, I can tell you I posted under my secret identity rather than my superhero alter-ego of RhodeIslandAspie. And of course, in my secret identity, I am disguised as a mild mannered tech support guy in a medium size city fighting for truth, justice, and the American way.
Yes, it was Red Sox specific and it was a shame it was cancelled. Afterwards I started reading Sosh.