7/28 - Full Swoon

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Normally German vs Sale might be a typical pitcher's duel, but in our current circumstances with added injuries leaving us bereft of power and spark our pitching may well not matter as, lacking any real offense, it simply becomes a matter of when, not if, we fall behind and stay behind. We need some real leadership today at the plate.
 

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The Red Sox are riding high, playing at home, full of confidence and momentum. Vegas might take this game off the board tonight.
 

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At some point they have to start winning again, it would be nice if that starts tonight. It's on ESPN so we might get to see the cool 4-D CAM in action tonight with any close plays at the plate.
 

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It is hard to sweep though, unless your boys want to just get on the plane, get home and wait for the D-Backs.
Come on, Al. You have lived through more than enough pennant races to appreciate the highs and lows. Sweeps happen. Until the Yankees begin getting well-pitched starts, they will continue to struggle.
And they’re not my boys.
 

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Come on, Al. You have lived through more than enough pennant races to appreciate the highs and lows. Sweeps happen. Until the Yankees begin getting well-pitched starts, they will continue to struggle.
And they’re not my boys.
Well then, I would like a reverse Boston massacre, to cancel out ‘78 or ‘06. Matter meets antimatter. And I have no qualms calling the Sox “my boys”.
 

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Well then, I would like a reverse Boston massacre, to cancel out ‘78 or ‘06. Matter meets antimatter. And I have no qualms calling the Sox “my boys”.
Yeah, but you were calling your rival team boys, which I took as a put down. They’re grown men. And I never use the possessive we or our when talking about a team I root for. That’s an old newspaper habit.

I remember the Sox sweeping the Yanks in June of 1978. Home runs galore. Momentum can run both ways in sports.

The thing about 1978 is both the Yankees and Sox belonged in the playoffs. The wild card in 2019 erases the unfair aspect of 1978.
 

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A win tonight and a day off tomorrow will alleviate a lot of the pressure the team and in particular the pitching staff and starters are feeling. And of course the media loves this conundrum because it fuels speculation and fuels their imagination to write, IMO, nonsense such as the team being desperate and such desperation is being exploited by opposing teams in trade discussions.
 

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A win tonight and a day off tomorrow will alleviate a lot of the pressure the team and in particular the pitching staff and starters are feeling. And of course the media loves this conundrum because it fuels speculation and fuels their imagination to write, IMO, nonsense such as the team being desperate and such desperation is being exploited by opposing teams in trade discussions.
The media has only reported on a desperate pitching situation. Haven’t seen anyone write that this is a desperate team. Some have said the pitching slump has diminished Cashman’s leverage. You have any examples of people saying the team is desperate? Which is what you wrote.
 

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The media has only reported on a desperate pitching situation. Haven’t seen anyone write that this is a desperate team. Some have said the pitching slump has diminished Cashman’s leverage. You have any examples of people saying the team is desperate? Which is what you wrote.
Exactly what you wrote ""the media has only reported on desperate pitching situation." Surely, that qualifies as team, no?
 

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Surprised Tauchman is sitting, he homered against Sale earlier this year.

About 'desperate', I was actually going to post a week ago about how Cashman's job was actually made harder by NY playing so well, as it's hard to mess up chemistry when a team is cruising. So if anything, I think this past week has helped that a bit?
 

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Surprised Tauchman is sitting, he homered against Sale earlier this year.

About 'desperate', I was actually going to post a week ago about how Cashman's job was actually made harder by NY playing so well, as it's hard to mess up chemistry when a team is cruising. So if anything, I think this past week has helped that a bit?
Your glass is always full!
 

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Exactly what you wrote ""the media has only reported on desperate pitching situation." Surely, that qualifies as team, no?
Not really. But I was reacting more to your negative perception of the media. I worked as a sports writer for 40 years so I take offense at such generalities as you suggested in your post.

And yes, I am a cranky old guy this week.
 

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Your glass is always full!
It really isn't, but think about it. A week ago, if Cashman moved Cessa and Holder and another reliever or two (which he needs to do, he can wait until after the season but they will lose value), he risked messing up the groove NY was in. Now, after a historically awful week of pitching plus CC getting hurt again (which actually opens up a rotation spot), Cashman has much more leeway to do whatever he thinks is best (and this still includes doing nothing IMO). I was going to cite 2014, when NY played way over their heads in July and then basically stood pat at the deadline, and TOR acquired David Price and went zooming by the Yankees, making up a six game deficit in a few weeks.
 

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It really isn't, but think about it. A week ago, if Cashman moved Cessa and Holder and another reliever or two (which he needs to do, he can wait until after the season but they will lose value), he risked messing up the groove NY was in. Now, after a historically awful week of pitching plus CC getting hurt again (which actually opens up a rotation spot), Cashman has much more leeway to do whatever he thinks is best (and this still includes doing nothing IMO). I was going to cite 2014, when NY played way over their heads in July and then basically stood pat at the deadline, and TOR acquired David Price and went zooming by the Yankees, making up a six game deficit in a few weeks.
Okay. 2014 is a good example of your point, except there are no aces in this market.
Cashman is so entrenched in his methods, I am not sure the team’s recent play impacts his decision-making. And if this market stays closed until a late flurry on Wednesday, Cashman may not have time enough to move Cessa and Holder. Who would want them? And why?
 

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And if this market stays closed until a late flurry on Wednesday, Cashman may not have time enough to move Cessa and Holder. Who would want them? And why?
Gio Gallegos has been one of the best relievers in MLB this year after NY traded him to STL last deadline, he looked less valuable/promising then than Cessa or Holder do now. Cessa actually has great numbers the past month (13 innings, 0.69 ERA) but NY needs to have guys with options in the back of the pen so they can be more flexible. But I've been calling for NY to move Cessa for probably two years now and somehow he is still here.
 

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I think NY will move some guys tomorrow on the off day, whether or not they manage to trade for upgrades.
 

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I think NY will move some guys tomorrow on the off day, whether or not they manage to trade for upgrades.
Won’t they have 40-man roster demands if they don’t move two or three guys? I know you have been saying this for weeks. If they can’t move Cessa and Holder, they lose them in Rule 5. They could both be effective elsewhere.
 

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Won’t they have 40-man roster demands if they don’t move two or three guys? I know you have been saying this for weeks. If they can’t move Cessa and Holder, they lose them in Rule 5. They could both be effective elsewhere.
Yeah, but they still have time to move them after the season, I just think they're more valuable now. Cashman has moved 3-4 relievers each of the last two deadlines plus he needs international spending cap money for the kids who have already committed (not Dominguez, he is signed already, but others).

Stroman to the Mets, so dumb unless they are just routing him elsewhere.
 

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Yeah, but they still have time to move them after the season, I just think they're more valuable now. Cashman has moved 3-4 relievers each of the last two deadlines plus he needs international spending cap money for the kids who have already committed (not Dominguez, he is signed already, but others).

Stroman to the Mets, so dumb unless they are just routing him elsewhere.
Yanks would be well served to sit this trade deadline out rather than deal away Deivi. Maybe the only moves are minor, like the bullpen issues you mentioned.
Betances throwing from 90 feet now. Next step is either 125 feet or throwing from a mound. How realistic is the idea that he can be his old self in September?
Meanwhile, this team needs to regroup, as Division notes up above. Off day, two games at home with Arizona, then Boston again.
Maybe Cashman can get Robbie Ray to stay in town. They might not be asking for Deivi.
 
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First homer Sale has given up to a lefty on a slider since coming to Boston.
 

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Of course A-Rod is wrong and 9 Ks isn't German's career high, he had a 10 K game last year. It's hard to put into words how much I hate A-Rod and how much I hate ESPN for subjecting us to him every week.
 

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Back of the bullpen pretty well rested and an off day tomorrow, German should be on a tight leash here.