7/27 at home, against the MFY

glennhoffmania

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Fangraphs has Vazquez 4th among 32 catchers with 400+ AB in framing runs added. It doesn't always look pretty (and attempts to frame can lead to more passed balls), but he's still better than most.
Interesting. I'm only going by my observation. He needs to be more subtle with his glove work.
 

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Aaron Boone who managed his team into giving up 9 runs instead of 5 runs by going to his B bullpen decided near the end of the game that he actually wanted his team to win the game and is perturbed by the strikezone.
 

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So they are buyers now, right?

I can't keep track of all the permutations that involve the Sox trading Betts, Martinez and 10D for really young prospects to drool over for a few years or adding another reasonably priced bullpen piece...
 

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So they are buyers now, right?

I can't keep track of all the permutations that involve the Sox trading Betts, Martinez and 10D for really young prospects to drool over for a few years or adding another reasonably priced bullpen piece...
Definitely buyers. This offense can beat anybody just need to clean up the pitching a bit more.
 

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And in the yankee forum they scolded me because I said they didn’t have an ace and would not be ready for the dog days of August and October; lol.
Keep trolling, brother!

Unless you mean the Yankee board here. In which case, ummm, tsk tsk I guess
 

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The bad news is they imploded before 7/31 and will definitely trade for at least one starter.
Let’s see who they can get, at what price, how it does for chemistry and how that guy feels when he sees who Boone really is. Fuck the MFY.
 

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538's projections (YMMV) have our overall making the playoff odds at 53%. they were at 30% last Saturday. things obviously change quickly day to day but they have emphatically made themselves buyers this week.

it feels like the season finally started after Wojashit shut us out. that's how different it feels. the bullpen is still a tightrope act but it feels like the group of Eovaldi, Barnes, Workman, Hernandez, Taylor are a solid enough five at the top. the rotation will keep needing to not have too many short starts to keep them fresh.

Our division odds up to 6%. they were at 2% last Saturday. Yankee rotation is going through what we had in April, AND some significant injuries to Sanchez as well as maybe LeMahieu. so you're saying there's a chance...
 

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You’re up, Mr. Sale.
Won the first three with Sale pitching the fourth game? Not bad. The starting pitching and offense has really started to come around just at the right time.
 

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At the game today. Perfect day to be at Fenway.

During the game, my son floated this idea. Under certain conditions (we worked out after six innings, and a 10 run differential, but obviously those are somewhat arbitrary benchmarks) if one team wanted to “surrender” and the other team accepted the surrender, the game would end right there.

1. There would be no obligation for the winning team to accept the surrender, though obviously it would go from a guaranteed win to a possible loss, and also forcing your pitchers to throw more innings. But maybe if you want to grind them down or if you’ve got a guy throwing a no-no or whatever, you might have reasons for declining a surrender.

2. If you’re the home team and you’re getting crushed, most fans probably have left so you’re not really hurting your audience.

3. If you’re the home team and you’re winning, well they might want to pile on even more but if you’re up 13-3 in the seventh, your fans have seen plenty of action and have gotten their money’s worth.

It sure would speed up the games and would lessen the strain on bullpens. And I don’t think this would cost much in fan support. Plus concessions typically close after seven innings so you’d not likely lose much in concession revenue.

Might be an issue with advertisers but if this becomes the norm, it just means that companies need to be strategic about their ad placement and it becomes part of negotiations.

Didn’t think this was worth its own thread but might be fun to discuss.

If not.... WATER ANYWAY!!
 

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538's projections (YMMV) have our overall making the playoff odds at 53%. they were at 30% last Saturday. things obviously change quickly day to day but they have emphatically made themselves buyers this week.

it feels like the season finally started after Wojashit shut us out. that's how different it feels. the bullpen is still a tightrope act but it feels like the group of Eovaldi, Barnes, Workman, Hernandez, Taylor are a solid enough five at the top. the rotation will keep needing to not have too many short starts to keep them fresh.

Our division odds up to 6%. they were at 2% last Saturday. Yankee rotation is going through what we had in April, AND some significant injuries to Sanchez as well as maybe LeMahieu. so you're saying there's a chance...
It’s also helped that the starting pitching has suddenly started to go six innings consistently.
 

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And in the yankee forum they scolded me because I said they didn’t have an ace and would not be ready for the dog days of August and October; lol.
You can't disagree with Jon Abbey. Don't you know that he texts daily with Cashman?
 

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At the game today. Perfect day to be at Fenway.

During the game, my son floated this idea. Under certain conditions (we worked out after six innings, and a 10 run differential, but obviously those are somewhat arbitrary benchmarks) if one team wanted to “surrender” and the other team accepted the surrender, the game would end right there.

1. There would be no obligation for the winning team to accept the surrender, though obviously it would go from a guaranteed win to a possible loss, and also forcing your pitchers to throw more innings. But maybe if you want to grind them down or if you’ve got a guy throwing a no-no or whatever, you might have reasons for declining a surrender.

2. If you’re the home team and you’re getting crushed, most fans probably have left so you’re not really hurting your audience.

3. If you’re the home team and you’re winning, well they might want to pile on even more but if you’re up 13-3 in the seventh, your fans have seen plenty of action and have gotten their money’s worth.

It sure would speed up the games and would lessen the strain on bullpens. And I don’t think this would cost much in fan support. Plus concessions typically close after seven innings so you’d not likely lose much in concession revenue.

Might be an issue with advertisers but if this becomes the norm, it just means that companies need to be strategic about their ad placement and it becomes part of negotiations.

Didn’t think this was worth its own thread but might be fun to discuss.

If not.... WATER ANYWAY!!
My problem with the surrender rule is that you eliminate the possibility of truly epic, late game comebacks (if both teams desire and accept in your scenario). Those weird ones where a team is down 7 or 8 in the 9th and still pulls it off or ties in the 9th and wins in extras or is down 12 in the 5th or whatever. I know the statistical chances are worse than 0.1% in those scenarios for the trailing team, and that might justify a surrender rule, but it's so amazing when that <0.1% kicks in.
 

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My problem with the surrender rule is that you eliminate the possibility of truly epic, late game comebacks. Those weird ones where a team is down 7 or 8 in the 9th and still pulls it off or ties in the 9th and wins in extras or is down 12 in the 5th or whatever. I know the statistical chances are worse than 0.1% in those scenarios for the trailing team, and that might justify a surrender rule, but it's so amazing when that <0.1% kicks in.
Definitely. I wonder how many times a team, even in a game where the conditions for surrender would be met, would even surrender. They might want to get bench guys some at bats, who knows.

And in my arbitrary scenario, the lead would have to be ten or more, so a 7 or 8 run difference isn’t enough to grant surrender.