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Yeah I agree Smart can be reckless but I don’t think there was malicious intent at all. I’m alright with the tech I guess, it was a nut shot, but I hate the ejection. The ejection signals that it was intentional and I don’t think that’s a fair call.
Right. Give him a flagrant to make it clear you can’t be careless, but an ejection? I think it’s a pretty serious accusation to say he purposely hit below the belt.
 

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Yeah I agree Smart can be reckless but I don’t think there was malicious intent at all. I’m alright with the tech I guess, it was a nut shot, but I hate the ejection. The ejection signals that it was intentional and I don’t think that’s a fair call.
yeah, I think a tech was the correct call and the ejection was pure rep. But that's the thing about building that rep, you know it's going to hurt you, and that's why you need to show better self control.
 

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Bogus calls all game, especially after Smart got tomahawk chopped in the head and it was a "common foul." The goaltending BS was horrendous.

Refs sucked, but Celtics did themselves no favors.
 
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For those of us who weren't able to watch the second half, can someone give me a rundown on the injuries to the Jays and how worried I should be?
 

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And forget the ultimate decision, the review lasting SIX MINUTES at the end of the fourth in a close, exciting game is absolutely inexcusable and horrendous for the product. NBA replay need a serious overhaul. Can’t challenge an obvious missed goaltending call, but can dick around for 6 minutes at the monitor for a nut shot. Yeah that makes fucking sense.
 

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For those of us who weren't able to watch the second half, can someone give me a rundown on the injuries to the Jays and how worried I should be?
BNanged legs, hard to tell, Tatum looked probably fine, Jaylen less so, but hopefully it's just some bruised shins and they;ll be fine
 

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For those of us who weren't able to watch the second half, can someone give me a rundown on the injuries to the Jays and how worried I should be?
JT and JB got tangled up on a Portland inbound. Tatum probably fine, Jaylen looked like he might have twisted his ankle pretty badly and needed to be helped to the locker room. Couldn’t put any weight on it, so not good.
 

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And forget the ultimate decision, the review lasting SIX MINUTES at the end of the fourth in a close, exciting game is absolutely inexcusable and horrendous for the product. NBA replay need a serious overhaul. Can’t challenge an obvious missed goaltending call, but can dick around for 6 minutes at the monitor for a nut shot. Yeah that makes fucking sense.
I’m going to watch regardless because I’m a sports addict but how can the league see this and be like “yes, this is what we want to sell.”
 

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And forget the ultimate decision, the review lasting SIX MINUTES at the end of the fourth in a close, exciting game is absolutely inexcusable and horrendous for the product. NBA replay need a serious overhaul. Can’t challenge an obvious missed goaltending call, but can dick around for 6 minutes at the monitor for a nut shot. Yeah that makes fucking sense.
DVR/FF baby!

(Sucks for playoffs though, want to watch that live)
 

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I have no idea how anyone could watch that replay and be SURE it was intentional. To throw someone out it should be obvious, definitely a significantly rep-induced ejection.

In slow motion it looks like Marcus doesn't avoid the contact, maybe trying to draw a foul, but it definitely wasn't one of those classic and obvious nut shots.

The fact that the refs took forever to decide, plus the ridiculous TT offensive interference call.... they were definitely a factor in the game.

Celtics also had some inexcusable offensive and defensive execution down the stretch, can't sugar coat that.
 
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wade boggs chicken dinner

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yeah I'm sorry but y'all are crazy if you think he doesn't aggressively seek out the contact with his left arm when he sees Nurk sliding in. He's not trying to fight over the screen, he's trying to create a whole bunch of contact so he gets the call.... which he did, but he was so aggressive on it and hit him in the nuts that it got replayed. If he just runs into him he still gets the call and doesn't get ejected.

Edit- also, he has plenty of time there to make a move, most NBA actions take less than that much time, that's why we need slo-mo, Marcus Smart isn't you playing at the Y.
Of course Marcus would try to create contact once JN moves. He's trying to get a call.

But to say that Marcus is intentionally trying to hit Nurkic in the nuts means he's got to be able to tell the future. If Nurkic doesn't move, nothing happens. Basically, the refs are saying that Marcus is so good he can take into account someone commiting a foul before it even happens.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone ejected when he was the recipient of a foul.
 

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Of course Marcus would try to create contact once JN moves. He's trying to get a call.

But to say that Marcus is intentionally trying to hit Nurkic in the nuts means he's got to be able to tell the future. If Nurkic doesn't move, nothing happens. Basically, the refs are saying that Marcus is so good he can take into account someone commiting a foul before it even happens.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone ejected when he was the recipient of a foul.
I mean... he slides in, Marcus sees him and throws the arm out. If he doesn't hit him in the nuts it may not get called, but Nurkic isn't moving into his arm, Nurkic steps into Marcus' path and Marcus' response to seeing the incoming player is to open up wide with a swing of his arm. The refs aren't really parsing whether he intended to hit him in the nuts there, they're parsing 2 things... did he make an intentional effort to hit him, and secondly did he hit him in the groin area. The first seems pretty clear, as does the second. You don't need intent to eject, but even if you do the intent doesn't have to be to strike in the groin, just to strike much like the flagrant with hits to the head, where you hit, intentional or not is an escalator.

The idea that Marcus doesn't decide to make that wide opening up swing because he sees Nurkic coming is delusional, it both doesn't fit the sequence of events, and two would make no sense as a guarding strategy if he didn't see Nurkic, since he is going from very good position on the ballhandler to terrible position on the ballhandler by turning and opening up.
 

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I mean... he slides in, Marcus sees him and throws the arm out. If he doesn't hit him in the nuts it may not get called, but Nurkic isn't moving into his arm, Nurkic steps into Marcus' path and Marcus' response to seeing the incoming player is to open up wide with a swing of his arm. The refs aren't really parsing whether he intended to hit him in the nuts there, they're parsing 2 things... did he make an intentional effort to hit him, and secondly did he hit him in the groin area. The first seems pretty clear, as does the second. You don't need intent to eject, but even if you do the intent doesn't have to be to strike in the groin, just to strike much like the flagrant with hits to the head, where you hit, intentional or not is an escalator.

The idea that Marcus doesn't decide to make that wide opening up swing because he sees Nurkic coming is delusional, it both doesn't fit the sequence of events, and two would make no sense as a guarding strategy if he didn't see Nurkic, since he is going from very good position on the ballhandler to terrible position on the ballhandler by turning and opening up.
A split second before the contact Smart is using his left hand to try to prevent the hand-off. I don't believe anyone thinks fast enough to come to the split second decsion, "Hey, I'm going to hit Nurkc here." He may have thought, "Hey I need to sell the contact," but why would he try to hit Nurkuc there? Doesn't make any sense.

BTW, res pool report said TT's Offensive goal-tending was reviewable but Cs did not get TO fast enough. Despite the pic in the tweet below.

View: https://twitter.com/RedsArmy_John/status/1389070530121277441
 
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Right. He was trying to make sure he obviously got blown up by the moving screen.
This seems pretty clearly like what happened. There is no replay that shows a nut tap (and what the replays do show is a maybe the belly with the hand) and the anticipation and physics of claiming he lined up a nut punch are really challenging...at best. More likely his leg that hit nuts if anything did, and there’s really no case that this merits an ejection (and a strong case it is the result of the illegal screen). He certainly went in hard, but I think it would be hard to find a single time a guy went in hard to an illegal pick and drew a tech unless there was contact with the head (which there was not here).

Marcus absolutely is willing to do a nut tap, to be clear, but the replays and physics simply don’t support that assumption on this particular play. To the degree the refs used his rep to make the call that's just plain bad officiating.

Interestingly NBA passed on chance to explain or support the call in the two-minute report, only noting it was reviewed. https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022000968. I guess one could interpret that as a very passive endorsement or as a situation they deferred to on-site refs but are unwilling to defend it. I guess the other possibility is they are going to clarify it by issuing a fine, though that really is laying it on thick on a call even last nights defenders are backing away from in the light of day. Absent a fine, seems like the NBA position is that they don't want to defend or explain the call. Which would speak volumes...
 
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