5/15 - G5 vs. CLE - Gentleman's Sweep

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Ordinarily I’d agree, since Tatum’s Achilles heel is his maturity—sometimes he is every bit a 26-yo kid. But if he can’t even wave his arm in disgust without getting T’d up, then the standard for him is entirely unreasonable.
Tatum is a chirper at the refs but most refs let that go in a playoff game of late. Not Tony. You need to know that he is involved in this game.
 

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Ordinarily I’d agree, since Tatum’s Achilles heel is his maturity—sometimes he is every bit a 26-yo kid. But if he can’t even wave his arm in disgust without getting T’d up, then the standard for him is entirely unreasonable.
I don't disagree. I think it's a serious question whether Wyc should tell the league the Celtics simply won't take the court for a Tony Brothers game becuase he's incompetent and they deserve someone who is trying and focused on the right things. Neither of which is true of Tony Brothers.

But on the court, you know what you're dealing with ego-wise and so yeah...you can't wave your arms and yell (which Tatum did). You gotta know that.
 

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I laughed that Draymond showed two clips of decent contests by Horford on 12 footers and was like "man he's getting cooked".... really? I'll take 12 foot jumpers all day over layups or drive and kicks for 3s.
 

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He is Angel Hernandez, he sees himself as part of the game and will turf you if he sees fit. It’s bullshit
I think this is a bit much. I was going to use the fact that no MLB clubs have refused to play Angel umpired games (to our knowledge) as reason not to expect something like that to happen in the NBA.

But Angel is well beyond any official in any other sport.
 

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I think most old school players, coaches (Van Gundy) and, frankly, fans get perturbed with the fact that they have ability to play such a beautiful and fast style, but choose for whatever reason to settle. Early on in this Brown/Tatum era, it bothered me more. But I have had to accept that this is who they are. I do think that Porzingis has helped to alter that, and so there is hope going forward
 

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I think this is a bit much. I was going to use the fact that no MLB clubs have refused to play Angel umpires games (to our knowledge) as reason not to expect something like that to happen in the NBA.
I will give Angel this: he is likely worse at the actual calling of plays than Tony Brothers, but his ego and quick-trigger are more mature than Tony's. So he has that going for him, which is nice.
 

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I will say generally some basketball people don't like the way the Celtics offense looks. It's sort of a brute force solution to basketball instead of elegant passing/player movement.
There's a lot of mismatch hunting/screen wrestling to force two on the ball and then play out of that.

But the Celtics really don't have great passers, so... This is probably the way they should play. It may eventually bite them in the ass when they play a team that plays the kind of defense that forces you to pass faster than they can rotate.
 

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He is Angel Hernandez, he sees himself as part of the game and will turf you if he sees fit. It’s bullshit
Agreed. Brothers and Foster keep getting plum assignments (as much as 2/3 of the Cavs vs Boston in the second round can be considered plum). The league likes something they are doing.
 

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Agreed. Brothers and Foster keep getting plum assignments (as much as 2/3 of the Cavs vs Boston in the second round can be considered plum). The league likes something they are doing.
I don't think Foster is actually a bad ref on the whole. An asshole no doubt, but he doesn't make anywhere near as many just bad calls as Brothers or Zarba for example.
 

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I will give Angel this: he is likely worse at the actual calling of plays than Tony Brothers, but his ego and quick-trigger are more mature than Tony's. So he has that going for him, which is nice.
I don’t know. I feel like Angel’s ego is a huge part of his problem. I’ll never be convinced that Angel doesn’t knowingly and intentionally make the wrong call with some degree of frequency.
 

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Good start to the half. Perhaps “we need to adjust our level of focus,” was too vague of a halftime message.
 

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I don't think Foster is actually a bad ref on the whole. An asshole no doubt, but he doesn't make anywhere near as many just bad calls as Brothers or Zarba for example.
Yeah that's fair about Scott. Also, I don't dislike Zarba but I get the complaints.

Bill Kennedy is the best though. He is an All NBA Official for sure.
 

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I've been having to watch these games on mute, everyone is so negative about the Celtics no matter what they're doing.
  • Blowing out teams means they're not battle tested!
  • Tight games means they're slacking!
  • Losses mean they're unserious, immature pretenders!

There's no winning and it's gotten really old. The other teams get so much less of this crap.
 

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Welp, I'm on record being pretty frustrated that they would deliberately put Horford on Garland, but fuck if it's not working.