Thanks. I know about his original nickname but I didn't know it was player approved. How about this: If he has a 5 WAR season in a Sox uniform in the next 5 years, he can have as many nicknames as he'd like?
40 Man Roster Discussion
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In this market I think someone takes a chance. Actually, what is Fulmer's status? Is he still on the IL?
I don't think Yordanny is a starter unless he adds a pitch or two. Someone could try to hide him as a mop-up guy on the 26, but I think there's a good chance he gets returned.
I think the Password would have been more likely to get returned. It would be hard for a team to keep him on the 26.
I think the Password would have been more likely to get returned. It would be hard for a team to keep him on the 26.
Mata and Campbell are the corresponding moves.
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Updated with today's moves:
SP (11): Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, W. Gonzalez, Perales, Murphy
RP (13): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Booser, Penrod, Shugart, Horn
C (1): Wong
IF (9): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper, Valdez
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
SP (11): Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, W. Gonzalez, Perales, Murphy
RP (13): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Booser, Penrod, Shugart, Horn
C (1): Wong
IF (9): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper, Valdez
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
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I imagine it’s his age and injury history combined with having to take up a roster spot. He feels like a NRI type.
Thanks jon.
They can always just offer him back again, but I guess they're on the hook for the full deal if the Sox decline to take him.
Yeah, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see Fullmer resigned to a minor league deal. Or to sign somewhere else, or sign nowhere if still hurt. Who knows.
Fulmer's already under contract on a minor league deal. If he's not selected in the Rule 5 draft, he's going to Ft Myers as a non-roster invitee.
I was looking at the 40-man roster over on Sox Prospects. The 3 longest tenured players on the 40 man are:
Rafael Devers
Connor Wong
Tanner Houck
That is crazy to me - time flies. Goes to show how much the roster has turned over in the past few years.
Rafael Devers
Connor Wong
Tanner Houck
That is crazy to me - time flies. Goes to show how much the roster has turned over in the past few years.
I really thought Mata had real potential as a great bullpen arm and possibly a future closer.
He looked great in Spring Training ‘23 but that injury really set him back and he never recovered.
I can’t imagine he’ll get a deal elsewhere for anything other than what the Sox can offer in a mL contract.
He looked great in Spring Training ‘23 but that injury really set him back and he never recovered.
I can’t imagine he’ll get a deal elsewhere for anything other than what the Sox can offer in a mL contract.
Bailey Horn claimed by the Tigers, not sure of the specifics there, maybe they tried to slip him through waivers?
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That's good news. Campbell seems like a good bet to still be useful if his arm isn't ruined (and I doubt it is). Mata, I don't know.
MLB transaction page says they both elected free agency for now, but yeah they could.
40 man now at 39.
SP (11): Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, W. Gonzalez, Perales, Murphy
RP (12): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Booser, Penrod, Shugart
C (1): Wong
IF (9): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper, Valdez
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
Adding Chapman and upgrading Wikelman's spot a little, at 40:
SP (11): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy
RP (13): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Booser, Penrod, Shugart, Chapman
C (1): Wong
IF (9): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper, Valdez
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
SP (11): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy
RP (13): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Booser, Penrod, Shugart, Chapman
C (1): Wong
IF (9): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper, Valdez
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
We have two catchers now! Still at 40.
SP (11): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy
RP (13): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Booser, Penrod, Shugart, Chapman
C (2): Wong, Narvaez
IF (8): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
SP (11): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy
RP (13): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Booser, Penrod, Shugart, Chapman
C (2): Wong, Narvaez
IF (8): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
Sandoval officially added, 40 is full so we'll be seeing a move to get Buehler on soon.
SP (12): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy, Sandoval
RP (12): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Penrod, Shugart, Chapman
C (2): Wong, Narvaez
IF (8): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
SP (12): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy, Sandoval
RP (12): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Penrod, Shugart, Chapman
C (2): Wong, Narvaez
IF (8): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard, Gasper
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
Buehler deal made official this morning, Gasper out a few days ago. Still at 40. Back to 25 of them being pitchers which seems like a lot.
SP (13): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Buehler, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy, Sandoval
RP (12): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Penrod, Shugart, Chapman
C (2): Wong, Narvaez
IF (7): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
SP (13): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Buehler, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy, Sandoval
RP (12): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Penrod, Shugart, Chapman
C (2): Wong, Narvaez
IF (7): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
I wonder who they dump to get Anthony and Campbell on the 40? I wouldn’t be shocked if they both made the 25 out of camp considering their trajectory. I want to see them get a bunch of ABs against MLB pitchers in March.
I think a Wink trade is probably coming. Could also easily DFA or trade Kelly/Shugart.
I think Winck for someone who doesn't have to be 40'd makes sense. It wont be a great return, because (at least IMO) Winck has slid from mostly dependable to more fungible. It may have been ankle injury so selling low, but I don't think selling "high" would increase the return much.
We know there's at least one pitcher headed to the 60-day IL this spring, so that's potentially one open spot. But trying to decipher that now when there will surely be more roster turnover in the next couple months is probably a waste of effort. Cross the bridge when they get to it.
Yeah, I agree, basically. I think some team will think there's a starter or swingman in there, though. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a market.
Possible, but adding Campbell and Anthony for two pitchers seems unlikely. Would imagine Hamilton or Gonzalez would certainly be gone; and then not 100% sure on Grissom / Rafeala as a backups?
Of course, injuries likely make it all moot, but I would think that the # of pitchers on the 40 will remain relatively static.
It's kind of in Breslow's DNA to make a move like this. Schreiber for Sandlin 2.0 In addition, Wink is a bit redundant as long as Whitlock is healthy and they do the right thing and keep him in the bullpen. His #'s as a reliever are very good. Criswell does a lot of the same things as Wink as well.
Losing Kelly wouldn't be the end of the world, but he was so good in the first half that I'd like to see him get more rope.
Yeah, with just 2 position players not on the 26 man those numbers will surely change. ATM they just need enough slots to fit on everyone that they need to fit and the rest gets sorted out after spring training starts.
I agree that Kelly looked really good at times last year. I think when both Slaten and Martin were hurt he got over worked and was put in some really high leverage spots. I think he is pretty safe.
I agree with this, unlikely they get rid of two pitchers on the 40 man if both Campbell and Anthony join the team. If Campbell ends up as our 2B, I wonder if a trade for Grissom would be in the offing instead of trying to make him the backup infielder. I was very excited for Grissom when he joined, and still would love for him to be successful, but a year ago no one foresaw what Campbell would do to the minor leagues and if he ends up as our starting second baseman (whether in April or later) it might make more sense for Grissom to head elsewhere.
My preferred configuration with both Anthony and Campbell, and no free agents signed, is Campbell in the infield: OF Anthony Duran Abreu, IF Devers Story Campbell Casas. The front office probably wants to see how spring training goes, but I imagine they have various plans in place already for when Anthony and Campbell force their way onto the team.
The problem with trading Grissom right now is that his value would likely never be lower. It is almost unbelievable that BTV has him at a paltry 3.3. I think whatever happened to him last year health wise to cause him to lose 15 pounds really fucked up his season. The hamstrings would've probably healed up, but he tried playing thru something to prove himself in his new organization and it tanked the rest of the year. I'm expecting to see a different guy in the spring and have (pretty) high hopes for him.
Would absolutely love it if Grissom had a great year. A year ago I was so eager for the Story/Grissom double play combination coming together and being amazing
And 2B was such a position of need, bringing in a promising young player there made all the sense. But circumstances change and suddenly we have a player in Campbell who can play the position and has unexpectedly become an elite prospect. We'll see what they do but I feel like moving along Grissom has to be a possibility. As always, someone may get hurt and the point may be moot, but I do hope one way or the other Grissom has a great year.
I don't think there is really much of a thing about "trading high" or low. If he hits 375, you cant trade high if no one thinks he'll do it again. OTOH--after last season he can still be traded for 99% of what he would have gotten before last season. The other GMs have an idea of what they're getting. If an opposing GM says, "well he sucked last year, so my offer is shit," I think Breslow hangs up the phone.
Besides, I'm hanging my hat on his last 27 PAs last year (330/370/417) rather than the rest of his messed-up season. ymmv on that one.
Winckowski has been a solid reliever. The team tried him as a starter, and he wasn't good. 4.86 ERA in 21 starts, 90 IP, 14 HR allowed. As a reliever, he has a 3.79 ERA in 140 IP with 15 HR allowed.
Then they tried him as a "multi-inning guy" and he wasn't great at that either. On his first 25 pitches he has a tOPS+ of 91; that goes up to 102 on the next 25 pitches, and then to 124 on pitches 51-75, and 151 over 75 pitches.
The first time he faces hitters as a reliever, he allows a .735 OPS against, which jumps to .915 the second time through.
He has also been much better on the road than at Fenway: 100 IP on the road, 3.59 ERA; 130 IP at home, 4.70 ERA.
That's all true of most pitchers, and he is not an exception.
But when they have just let him pitch one inning at a time, he has been a solid 6th inning guy.
Then they tried him as a "multi-inning guy" and he wasn't great at that either. On his first 25 pitches he has a tOPS+ of 91; that goes up to 102 on the next 25 pitches, and then to 124 on pitches 51-75, and 151 over 75 pitches.
The first time he faces hitters as a reliever, he allows a .735 OPS against, which jumps to .915 the second time through.
He has also been much better on the road than at Fenway: 100 IP on the road, 3.59 ERA; 130 IP at home, 4.70 ERA.
That's all true of most pitchers, and he is not an exception.
But when they have just let him pitch one inning at a time, he has been a solid 6th inning guy.
Blake Sabol in and Shugart out, seems likely we're now out of the catcher market. Still at 40.
SP (13): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Buehler, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy, Sandoval
RP (11): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Penrod, Chapman
C (3): Wong, Narvaez, Sabol
IF (7): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida
SP (13): Crochet, Houck, Bello, Buehler, Giolito, Crawford, Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Perales, Murphy, Sandoval
RP (11): Slaten, Hendriks, Whitlock, Guerrero, Wilson, Bernardino, Weissert, Winckowski, Kelly, Penrod, Chapman
C (3): Wong, Narvaez, Sabol
IF (7): Devers, Story, Casas, Grissom, Hamilton, R. Gonzalez, Sogard
OF (5): Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder, Garcia
DH (1): Yoshida