4/23 Week Game Thread
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Gordon has Dele Alli problems where he’s on his bullshit enough that he doesn’t get legit calls he might otherwise get.
Liverpool play Everton, Origi sees the pitch, Origi scores against Everton. It's basically automatic...
If Liverpool wanted to play with a big holdup striker he could get some good numbers. He’s been happy to be a squad player there but if he wanted to he could start elsewhere.
How the fuck is that fake hard motherfucker Richarlison still on the pitch? What an absolute piece of shit.
And Alisson making fun of Pickford may be a better highlight than his last second goal.
And Alisson making fun of Pickford may be a better highlight than his last second goal.
Wolves have a shot of reclaiming 7th and make it into the UECL. West Ham appear to be going for it all in UEL.
Most amazing Stat of the day... Allan played 73 minutes and did not have a completed pass that was not a kickoff
Arsenal could potentially face a West Ham team with no real CBs or potentially some U23 callups next week?
Alese was on the bench today, so likely he would get the call.
Also possible that Rice could step back.
what is this song that Palace fans are chanting in the first 5 minutes? great job by Martin Tyler and Andy Townsend for laying out
I actually didn't recognize it. There is a new Mateta song, maybe it was that?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ryHnf9L3Sk
Leeds would be wise to sub James soon. Both because he's got the card and because he sucks as a makeshift 9. Fast as hell and willing to press all day which is why they keep starting him, but with his height plus the lack of quality he is 0% helpful in controlling a game or finishing an attack.
Don't know. That was white knuckle time for sure.
I was rooting for youze, of course.
I’m sure you were. I hope you Blues can pull this out too. Sorry about the point there…
I just asked FYP about it. I’ll let you know if I get an answer. They owe me one for the Jeff Schlupp sticker (the guy who runs it is a huge Schlupp fan haha) I found in a random bar bathroom in NYC several years ago.
I didn't see the match yesterday but that stat about Liverpool not having a penalty called against them in 46 matches is ridiculous. No matter how little time you spend defending in your own box, how experienced your defenders might be, nobody goes that long without committing a number of penalty-worthy offenses.
As I was saying. Allan didn't pass a lot partly because he didn't receive any. As with Bill Veeck and Eddie Gaedel, maybe Lampard told Michael Keane that he had a sniper on the roof in case he tried to pass out from the back.
View: https://twitter.com/EFC_Statto/status/1518949275048288257?s=20&t=kDU72_tdfrTLw11vONyzSQ
View: https://twitter.com/EFC_Statto/status/1518949275048288257?s=20&t=kDU72_tdfrTLw11vONyzSQ
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Right, and then there's this:
View: https://twitter.com/_TJ932O/status/1518274829157285888?s=20&t=K1jJZgollorZG3qfFrjX-g
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View: https://twitter.com/_TJ932O/status/1518275267604713477?s=20&t=K1jJZgollorZG3qfFrjX-g
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View: https://twitter.com/_TJ932O/status/1518275688842858496?s=20&t=K1jJZgollorZG3qfFrjX-g
For Sunday, I personally didn't see anything with Jota, but hands to the face is supposed to be automatic red so Mane should have been sent off.
View: https://twitter.com/KC_Runz/status/1518265726926213120?s=20&t=K1jJZgollorZG3qfFrjX-g
And for fun there's always this:
View: https://twitter.com/SyracuseToffees/status/1518902843209625600?s=20&t=K1jJZgollorZG3qfFrjX-g
So: yes, Gordon went down way too easy when he got booked for simulation. Doesn't change that it was a stone-cold penalty later - and the worst part is that VAR didn't even look at it. Same as when this happened for Everton against City - late in a game where again, Everton played well enough to get something:
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VAR didn't even check.
I'm the first one to tell you that Richarlison goes down too easily and that Pickford looks foolish with crap like that. The shit that's been flung at Gordon since Sunday is unreal. Yes, he took a dive. It was not outrageous by the standards of the game. He was the best player on the pitch IMO, other than Robertson and Origi after he came on, and the reason why there's so much to talk about to day is that he was getting past LFC defenders all day long.
View: https://twitter.com/lfcda4ry/status/1517608782972522497?s=20&t=K1jJZgollorZG3qfFrjX-g
Saw Liverpool and City plans arguing online, each saying that the other got away with murder - Everton on the wrong end of both.
Saw Liverpool and City plans arguing online, each saying that the other got away with murder - Everton on the wrong end of both.
Since I'm on about it:
View: https://twitter.com/Big_T_71/status/1518843307492843527?s=20&t=kDU72_tdfrTLw11vONyzSQ
View: https://twitter.com/Big_T_71/status/1518843307492843527?s=20&t=kDU72_tdfrTLw11vONyzSQ
I think pointing out Liverpool's aggressions without acknowledging what Everton got away with isn't telling the whole story.
Everton set out to find out where Atwell's line was. Pickford never saw a card in the first half for his antics, which ultimately worked. Two minutes were added, and we didn't even see them because of the fracas caused by Decoure reacting to Liverpool ignoring Richarlison for rolling on the ground yet again. I'll admit that the Brazilian finally probably hurt himself, but is the tale of the boy who cried wolf not available in Portuguese? Even his own teammates didn't believe him at first.
Richarlison should have seen red. Gordon should have seen red for multiple dives. It was by no means a stonewall penalty, either, as some are trying to insinuate. He stepped on Matip's foot, not the other way around. He rag dolled when he felt an arm. It's the Jamie Vardy special, but Gordon isn't Vardy. Yes, Jota should have been carded for his lash out, Mané could have been sent off.
Salah has absolutely become softer. If you look at his earlier time with Liverpool, he was much better at staying up. He also got mugged on a regular basis without much reward. I think he adapted poorly, overcompensating and becoming weaker at staying on his feet. However, saying a borderline call going against Gordon would have gone his way is weak speculation at best, not backed up by the evidence. I'm sure we could all dig up examples of Salah getting wrecked in more clear-cut examples than Gordon's latest grass stain.
Everton showed up to push the boundaries. Time wasting, shithousing, diving, chipping... When that behavior loses a side the benefit of the doubt in the referee's eyes, that's a risk that a side has chosen to take. EPL referees are generally awful at their best, and they have outsized personalities for the job. Knowing that and expecting them to be robotic in the face of a side actively trying to deceive, push, and make the job more difficult is poor planning. Those actions have consequences, I'd say they backfired. Everton and their fans need to accept that playing Atletico Madrid's game without their talent on the pitch or in management will come with results commensurate to their relative talent level, not Atletico's.
Everton set out to find out where Atwell's line was. Pickford never saw a card in the first half for his antics, which ultimately worked. Two minutes were added, and we didn't even see them because of the fracas caused by Decoure reacting to Liverpool ignoring Richarlison for rolling on the ground yet again. I'll admit that the Brazilian finally probably hurt himself, but is the tale of the boy who cried wolf not available in Portuguese? Even his own teammates didn't believe him at first.
Richarlison should have seen red. Gordon should have seen red for multiple dives. It was by no means a stonewall penalty, either, as some are trying to insinuate. He stepped on Matip's foot, not the other way around. He rag dolled when he felt an arm. It's the Jamie Vardy special, but Gordon isn't Vardy. Yes, Jota should have been carded for his lash out, Mané could have been sent off.
Salah has absolutely become softer. If you look at his earlier time with Liverpool, he was much better at staying up. He also got mugged on a regular basis without much reward. I think he adapted poorly, overcompensating and becoming weaker at staying on his feet. However, saying a borderline call going against Gordon would have gone his way is weak speculation at best, not backed up by the evidence. I'm sure we could all dig up examples of Salah getting wrecked in more clear-cut examples than Gordon's latest grass stain.
Everton showed up to push the boundaries. Time wasting, shithousing, diving, chipping... When that behavior loses a side the benefit of the doubt in the referee's eyes, that's a risk that a side has chosen to take. EPL referees are generally awful at their best, and they have outsized personalities for the job. Knowing that and expecting them to be robotic in the face of a side actively trying to deceive, push, and make the job more difficult is poor planning. Those actions have consequences, I'd say they backfired. Everton and their fans need to accept that playing Atletico Madrid's game without their talent on the pitch or in management will come with results commensurate to their relative talent level, not Atletico's.
I didn't realize Mane actually put his hand in the face of two separate guys during the same incident and somehow managed not to see red. That is rankly ridiculous as both individually were red-card worthy and at a bare minimum it should be two yellows. VAR can't review yellows but at some point common sense has to prevail if you're looking at that whole episode.
Richarlison also should have been sent off for sure. But the leverage of that decision on the outcome (a couple minutes left down 2-0) is tiny compared to the leverage of a player being sent off at halftime of a 0-0.
I think referees simply don't want to be accused of deciding the title race with a big negative decision against either Liverpool or City, even if the decision is obviously correct.
Richarlison also should have been sent off for sure. But the leverage of that decision on the outcome (a couple minutes left down 2-0) is tiny compared to the leverage of a player being sent off at halftime of a 0-0.
I think referees simply don't want to be accused of deciding the title race with a big negative decision against either Liverpool or City, even if the decision is obviously correct.
Mane is one of the most underpunished players in the Prem - he got away with a borderline red against Azpilicueta earlier this year, then the incident Sunday, etc.
I think he's only seen red for the Ederson challenge but he's good for a couple of real head scratchers a year
I think he's only seen red for the Ederson challenge but he's good for a couple of real head scratchers a year
I've always thought the "touch the face = automatic red" was stupid, anyways. You see people do full 2 handed shoves in the back of an opponent at full speed that sends the player into the advertising board or stands not even be punished, while a finger against the cheek when pushing against someone's shoulder ends up a red. Now, the majority of strikes to the face do deserve a red, I'm just saying that it should be judged on severity like any other incident would be. And yes, I'm still bitter about Arjen Robben falling to the ground like he'd been hit with a Mike Tyson punch and making Pepe Reina miss 3 games when he barely grazed him while they were both pushing and shoving.
What hype video! Taking out Sergio Ramos from behind, kicking Fernandinho in the armpits, wiping out David DaSilva. Let’s fucking gooooo!
Using those clips of Silva and Ramos to paint Mané as the dirty player is…. well, I don’t know. But, it’s something.