3/6: Cut the Crap - C’s @ Cavs

Jed Zeppelin

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It's not just this game though. Something's broken with this team. They've been very mediocre for a while now.
They look like they are swimming upstream and just not quite comfortable. Game not coming as easy since the start of the year.
 

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I think you saw tonight how much Brogdon means to this team. Him missing the last few was huge, and if they have him last night, they probably roll. Then they come back tonight without Horford or Tatum, get destroyed on the defensive glass down the stretch as a result of tired legs, etc.

They got out to a lead tonight because they were running the ball up and down the court like maniacs, which takes Cleveland, a team that doesn't like pace, out of their game. They just couldn't sustain it, and if not for a joke of a call giving Mitchell 2 free throws, and 2 missed by Grant to win, the C's walk away with a win, and nobody says a word about their softness.
100%. Brogdon is vital. He can get his own bucket and not everything he does is dependent upon the Jays.

I think it also shows how important it is for White and Brogdon to both have large chunks of time bringing the ball up. They’re both decisive and get the ball moving. Smart is seemingly intent on slowing everything down for whatever reason and the Jays are more deliberate too.

This team is only really good when they push the pace. They’re good in the half court but nothing great; they need to be moving quickly
 

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This. They were nails tonight given the circumstances. On the road. Against a very good team. The soft shit is embarrassing.
I'm not gonna go down the road of calling them soft, but they've now had two key players(Jaylen and Grant) lose games at the free throw line because they got shit-talked and psyched out by the other team. That's kinda soft. They might not be Soft™ but they dabble around the edges of being soft. The opposition seems to relish clowning on them.
 

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Honestly it’s kind of sad to see someone that talks as much as Grant just get completely owned mentally by a little bit of trash talk back
 

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I'm not gonna go down the road of calling them soft, but they've now had two key players(Jaylen and Grant) lose games at the free throw line because they got shit-talked and psyched out by the other team. That's kinda soft. They might not be Soft™ but they dabble around the edges of being soft. The opposition seems to relish clowning on them.
There’s physical toughness and mental toughness. Draymond psyched this team out pretty good in the finals. Grant peed down his leg in a big spot tonight. It’s just disheartening to see.
 

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We need you on that wall. Me, I'm worried.
I still like this team at full strength* against anyone in the East in a seven game series. It won't be easy but they are just deeper than other teams if TL is 80% or better. The West teams concern me more from a match-up standpoint.

To me this is a rough patch and this game was a schedule loss before the tip so while losses suck, they happen.

Finally, it sucks that Grant Williams is struggling right now - and it appears that there is something going on with him though I don't care to speculate beyond that - simply because he plays for the Boston Celtics. I completely understand the ire but its not good for the team a lot of us watch day in and out. Grant's next contract size/length doesn't impact me or any of us really one iota so we should all be rooting for him to be getting paid.
 

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Still think they are the best positioned team to win it all, but it’s hard to ignore the warning signs that as we hit the stretch run they may not be the special team we thought they were, but just one of a handful of very good teams with a chance to make a deep run. That’s still an awesome thing to be.
 

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Grant had a really good first half 4-4 from 3 then played 6 minutes in the 2nd half + OT

Did Hauser even play in the 2nd half?

Rookie HC pressing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back
 

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Grant had a really good first half 4-4 from 3 then played 6 minutes in the 2nd half + OT

Did Hauser even play in the 2nd half?

Rookie HC pressing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back
Cut Joe some slack. He was gassed out there.
 

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I didnt expect a win tonight. But damn. Another woulda, shoulda, coulda game. At least they're consistent.

Maybe this will be their crucible where the intense heat forges a stronger team and they find out what they can be. Or maybe the heats too hot and they evaporate like a 15 point 4th quarter lead.
I don't know, but injuries aside, this team is too fucking talented to keep on playing like they have for too fucking long .
 

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They look like they are swimming upstream and just not quite comfortable. Game not coming as easy since the start of the year.
How about rest the starters when they are up by a bunch? The last few games they have been up by a lot and the starting five are still in there--no reason for that and tempting injury
 

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I know it gets overlooked now . But the 2 free throws the cavs got to tie the game at the end of regulation were laughable. A complete joke.
Other than the fact that the zebras potentially (if the FTs weren't missed) bailed the Celts out down the other end (not the greatest call either), I have to agree with you. Game should have been ovah. There's more contact allowed in your average girls high school game compared to that final play.
 

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I don't disagree that the C's blew it, but Perk argues that their poor shot selection reflects their lack of respect for Mazzulla. They respected the hell out of Ime, but they took plenty of bad shots last season, too.
This was the stretch that pissed me off:

43.1
Derrick White misses 26-foot three point jumper 106 105
39.1
Jaylen Brown offensive rebound 106 105
37.1
Marcus Smart misses 26-foot three point jumper


Smart couldn't have launched that one up any faster than he did. With his track record of clanging up jumpers at the end of ballgames, no reason for it; another 12 seconds left of the shot clock. I don't by the 2 for 1 argument at this point in the game, either.
 

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This was the stretch that pissed me off:

43.1
Derrick White misses 26-foot three point jumper 106 105
39.1
Jaylen Brown offensive rebound 106 105
37.1
Marcus Smart misses 26-foot three point jumper


Smart couldn't have launched that one up any faster than he did. With his track record of clanging up jumpers at the end of ballgames, no reason for it; another 12 seconds left of the shot clock. I don't by the 2 for 1 argument at this point in the game, either.
Two for one is definitely an important factor in a 1 point game either way with that amount of time on the clock. I'm not sure a Marcus 3 is the shot you want to take, however.
 

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I don't disagree that the C's blew it, but Perk argues that their poor shot selection reflects their lack of respect for Mazzulla. They respected the hell out of Ime, but they took plenty of bad shots last season, too.
Agreed, I'm not sure how the two are connected exactly. But it's interesting that Perk is willing to put it out there that the players might not be happy with the current coach.
 

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At the end, does it look like Donovan is saying, "tell him I'm sorry, tell him I'm sorry"? Those guys are all friends, and it looked a little like Jaylen was playfully arguing that Donovan got bailed out by the refs at the end and if it weren't for that, Grant wouldn't be in that spot to choke. Marcus could have said anything, tho - looked a little like, "we're hitting the X Spot after the game, send me a text."
 

snowmanny

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Pritch should have been at the line. But this week is beyond exasperating. They need a better pulling themselves out of bad stretches strategy.
 

lars10

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An Al 3 and 2 FT's from Grant and the narrative from the last 2 days is totally different.
Would also be nice to have the full complement of players available for a few games.. Timelord, Jaylen, Brogdon, Al and JT were out for all three or at least one of those games... all while Smart is also trying to get back into game shape/meshing with the roster again.

IMO Smart needs to be sat at end of games when you're going to take a bunch of threes. He loves his own shot way too much and teams can leave him wide open and double one of Jaylen or Jason... because they know if Smart gets the ball he's going to shoot.. and he stays right at the top of the key and doesn't move so he takes the absolute best spots to take the three...at least that's my perception. I'd like to see him moving a lot more..setting screens or rotating or cutting to the basket.. anything to make sure you get any other player on the floor a better shot...since everyone on the floor is a better shooter than he is at pretty much any time.