3/4 Baby Celtics @ Cavs

bigq

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Good to get back to winning. Now get healthy and grab the two seed.
 

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How come someone is always lighting up the celts from deep?
I'm telling you, it was the same thing either last year or the year before. Every night, someone would go off. Last four games:

Donovan Mitchell: 37 points
WestbrooK; 41
Levert: 51
Sexton: 41
 

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This is a good win, don't take it lightly. It's our G-League squad on the road on the back end of a back-to-back. Mental toughness tonight.
 

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I missed most of the game, but I see Time Lord was plus-14. Does that reflect how he actually played?
 

bigq

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This is a good win, don't take it lightly. It's our G-League squad on the road on the back end of a back-to-back. Mental toughness tonight.
Thank goodness Tatum was back to bolster the JV squad. Unlikely they would have won without him.
 

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I missed most of the game, but I see Time Lord was plus-14. Does that reflect how he actually played?
Same thing, I only caught the last 10 minutes or so. What did we see out of Langford and Waters as well, if someone is willing to offer up a recap?
 

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I'm telling you, it was the same thing either last year or the year before. Every night, someone would go off. Last four games:

Donovan Mitchell: 37 points
WestbrooK; 41
Levert: 51
Sexton: 41
Jamal Murray did us for 50 or something last year
 

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Same thing, I only caught the last 10 minutes or so. What did we see out of Langford and Waters as well, if someone is willing to offer up a recap?
TL looked pretty good for just getting back. Good timing in his blocks, aggressive in the passing lanes (overaggressive at times), just needs to get his footwork fully back on D and let his athleticism speak for itself. Decent positioning on O, put himself in position to collect some layups and such.

Romeo was solid. Had some really strong defensive plays and was crashing the glass trying to keep plays alive. One really nice pass down the baseline to set up an open three for Semi. Nothing spectacular.

Waters had some shaky moments, generally when trying to do too much, but he sees the floor pretty well. Right now looks like a guy who will need the NBA game to slow down for him before he can be a Larkin-like contributor consistently. He did drain a long three off the dribble. He’s not shy. Of course there were some weird lineups tonight so things are going to look discombobulated at times.

Tatum is still figuring out double teams but he’s already making a lot of good reads leading to WIDE open looks after some great ball movement. When the shooters around him are Kemba/Hayward/Brown, I’m not really sure if you can double him but it’s good to know he is seeing these looks now in games that matter less.
 

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And, of course, Devin Booker, who lights up the C's every time he sees them.
My favorite part about that game is that aside from the fact that it's a top-10 single points-scoring effort in NBA history... the Suns lost that game by 10 points.

Wilt Chamberlain: 6 of the top 11 games, all 1961-63
Kobe: 81 in 2006
David Thompson: 73 in '78
David Robinson: 71 in '74
Elgin Baylor: 71 in 1960
...And Devin Booker for 70 against the Celtics in 2017.
 

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TL looked pretty good for just getting back. Good timing in his blocks, aggressive in the passing lanes (overaggressive at times), just needs to get his footwork fully back on D and let his athleticism speak for itself. Decent positioning on O, put himself in position to collect some layups and such.

Romeo was solid. Had some really strong defensive plays and was crashing the glass trying to keep plays alive. One really nice pass down the baseline to set up an open three for Semi. Nothing spectacular.

Waters had some shaky moments, generally when trying to do too much, but he sees the floor pretty well. Right now looks like a guy who will need the NBA game to slow down for him before he can be a Larkin-like contributor consistently. He did drain a long three off the dribble. He’s not shy. Of course there were some weird lineups tonight so things are going to look discombobulated at times.

Tatum is still figuring out double teams but he’s already making a lot of good reads leading to WIDE open looks after some great ball movement. When the shooters around him are Kemba/Hayward/Brown, I’m not really sure if you can double him but it’s good to know he is seeing these looks now in games that matter less.
Thank you for the summary, much appreciated!
 

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Same thing, I only caught the last 10 minutes or so. What did we see out of Langford and Waters as well, if someone is willing to offer up a recap?
Langford somehow got sick DURING the game and didn't return and Waters was...okay. Some Celtics writers were saying that the Cavs started looking for him to create mismatches when he was on the floor and took themselves out of their rhythm.
 

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Scal made a good point re: guards going on scoring binges against the Celtics. There are too many straight line drives to the hoop not being contested. Hopefully, TL will help in that area. It seemed like Sexton had a bit more trouble getting uncontested layups with TL on the court.

Some people like to crack on skills trainer Drew Hanlen, but he's done a great job with Semi, getting him to fire the threeball quickly off the catch. He's even got him driving for buckets, something he just couldn't do previously. Hanlen has obviously done a tremendous job with Tatum, especially de-programming the Kobe teachings that polluted his second season.
 

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Langford somehow got sick DURING the game and didn't return and Waters was...okay. Some Celtics writers were saying that the Cavs started looking for him to create mismatches when he was on the floor and took themselves out of their rhythm.
Thank you. I guess Langford shouldn't have had the chowder during timeouts? Had hoped to hear more positive about Waters, given the wide spread positive reviews coming out of the G league.

Some thoughts:
If I'm being honest with myself, one thing I expected given the time TL was off the court was an improvement in his free throw shooting on his return. I figured someone like Hanlen (or anyone else in a shot doctor role) with 2-3 months could rebuild someone's free throw shot. I'm disappointed that a hack-a-Williams strategy might be in the offing. It certainly reduces Steven's options late in a close game.

As noted above, one positive to take out of the lineup versus the Cavs being cobbled together is the double team reps and recognition that Tatum is going to have in order to avoid it being an issue during the playoffs. I hope Stevens is playing games with that in practice, calling for the doubles, etc.

As to the guards driving to the basket, I don't believe it's an issue that is going to be stopped by the top six guys. On ball defense is not Kemba's strong suit (though it is passable if it isn't a speed guy), Marcus isn't a great defender against pure speed (nor is Jaylen really, but he's better versus speed than Marcus in my eyes). The only one with a shot is Tatum, but only because he can use his length to allow a little distance between him and the driver, and then as they blow past he can defend from behind. That isn't ideal obviously, and it takes him away from other match-ups that might be more beneficial for the Cs. And Theis while showing some blocking lately is too foul prone to be relied on heavily in that protector mode. Those fouls are probably better spent in the area of help defense, or against another big if the opposition is playing that way. I don't see much help on the bench either - Wannamaker is positionally good, but not an on ball defender of speed, Edwards doesn't show me much by way of speed / defense. I honestly don't have a sense of whether Green can do it against guard speed, he seems ok (on ball) against wings with speed. I guess it comes down to Langford or Waters and whether or not they can do it. I have my fingers crossed for Langford being decently successful on ball against speed using Tatum's approach (large wingspan for the win), but who knows if it's there yet. [Trae Young is going to be a task and a half to handle now has a big man to work with. ]

So much to see and learn about with this team - as long as I can enjoy the journey and growth and not get caught up expecting them to just win.