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-after watching this all play out, I think 12 teams is too many. It’s strange to crown a school national champion when their SECOND loss occurred on November 30th….and that loss sparked a media blitz saying the coach should be fired
I agree that it's a bit strange to imagine a national champion Ohio State who neither won the Big 10 nor beat Michigan. I guess I'd like to hear a specific format you're proposing in response. They'd still be in with an eight team or even six team field. We all know the problems with two and four. There is really no perfect format.
 

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I agree that it's a bit strange to imagine a national champion Ohio State who neither won the Big 10 nor beat Michigan. I guess I'd like to hear a specific format you're proposing in response. They'd still be in with an eight team or even six team field. We all know the problems with two and four. There is really no perfect format.
Very, very fair question and I don’t think I do have a perfect solution. I think 8 is probably the best idea bur, as you said, Ohio State makes it in an 8 team playoff..

My overall pont is what you said. It’s strange to imagine this team as national champions
 

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My overall pont is what you said. It’s strange to imagine this team as national champions
I'm with you there, for sure. I also think it's just strange to see the #6 team in the country being treated like this inevitable unstoppable juggernaut. (I know they'd probably be ranked #1 by now if we kept doing weekly rankings, but still.)
 

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Exactly what I said, nailed it.

You are posting as if you’ve backed me into a corner with your unimpeachable logic. That hasn’t happened.

I will reiterate this once again…
-in a 12 team playoff; Ohio State has earned everything.
-after watching this all play out, I think 12 teams is too many. It’s strange to crown a school national champion when their SECOND loss occurred on November 30th….and that loss sparked a media blitz saying the coach should be fired

EDIT: I get you’re an Ohio state fan (maybe an alum). I graduated from SMU, I have 0 dog in this race. I am 35 and I am pointing out that this is a drastic departure from college football as we know it
Like all the teams had 2 losses?
Uga, tx, psu, osu, tenn, azstate, smu

So you wanted a playoff of only 4 teams?
Oregon, nd, Boise st, and Indiana? 0 or 1 loss teams?

Im super confused what you’re arguing. This was entire point ( well money) of expanding the playoffs. Osu (who I hate) has outplayed their competition by a lot this tourney.
isnt the entire point of post season tourneys to have the best or hottest team win. Who cares if they had a shitty game in October.

I mean. The 2004 Sox don’t win it all since ya know they were the WC and had more losses than the Yankees and thus shouldn’t be in the post season. That shitty series against Balt in June shoulda clearly kept them out
 

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He's not arguing anything. He's just observing the weirdness. Dear god people.
Thank you. I thought I was being clear but, apparently I wasn’t.

I tried to make it clear in all of my posts that I had no awesome solution and that Ohio State clearly deserved to be in in a 12 team playoff.

@McBride11, kind of a shitty last paragraph there.
 

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What a strange argument considering I agreed in my very first response that it's weird to no longer see the Ohio State-Michigan game determine either team's season anymore... and the fact that Ohio State still makes an 8-team playoff.
 

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Thank you. I thought I was being clear but, apparently I wasn’t.

I tried to make it clear in all of my posts that I had no awesome solution and that Ohio State clearly deserved to be in in a 12 team playoff.

@McBride11, kind of a shitty last paragraph there.
Jeez louise, you had quite a night last night tripping all over yourself to say things that make no sense.
 

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The format is fine, this has been much better than the old way, and there is no going back now. Only change I’d make is simply have the selection committee rank the best 12 teams, give the top 4 four a bye, and play on. No automatic bids, etc. Playing in a Conference championship game, or not, will very likely still matter as a general factor in how the selection committee ranks the teams. Not every round of the NFL playoffs is scintillating every year either.
 

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The format is fine, this has been much better than the old way, and there is no going back now. Only change I’d make is simply have the selection committee rank the best 12 teams, give the top 4 four a bye, and play on. No automatic bids, etc. Playing in a Conference championship game, or not, will very likely still matter as a general factor in how the selection committee ranks the teams. Not every round of the NFL playoffs is scintillating every year either.
Agree, with the added tweak that you can't have three rounds of neutral site games. Two max.
 

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I woke up this morning even more flummoxed by that second down play call. You've still got three chances to run it in or quick pass it in. You're on the one: you can't go backwards on second down.

Also if you have that little trust in your O-Line I am pretty sure I don't want the Pats trading down from four to eight to pick your left tackle.
 

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I woke up this morning even more flummoxed by that second down play call. You've still got three chances to run it in or quick pass it in. You're on the one: you can't go backwards on second down.

Also if you have that little trust in your O-Line I am pretty sure I don't want the Pats trading down from four to eight to pick your left tackle.
1. Where was Manning when it was first-and-goal?
2. When the play broke down so badly, the back could have thrown the ball in the end zone, just gotten rid of it any number of ways to avoid that loss. He had no chance to go anywhere.
 

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It was an absolutely terrible call. Especially considering that Ohio State is one of the best (if not the best) defenses in short yardage/red zone.

As for the playoff, even though it will ultimately end up benefitting the Buckeyes in a huge way, I still think 12 teams is way too large. I think what @Auger34 was trying to say while pissing all over himself last night is similar to what my argument against 12 teams was.

Traditionally, the CFB national champion was the best team throughout the whole season, not just the team that got hot in the last three weeks (like every other sport). College football was special in that sense. This year, the Penn State and Indiana games didn’t have the same “juice” for me; I just figured with the enlarged field the Buckeyes would find a way to get in either way.

I really loved the home site games, but I thought four teams was absolutely perfect. I’d settle for six though.
 

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Where is the flag?! Look at all those people in the white sideline!
Sideline warnings typically aren’t thrown on turnovers unless the team has been a problem all game.
I’m worried they’re gonna send in the Duke basketball refs for ND
It'll 100% be the SEC running the title game this year. This is the first chance they've had to do it in like two decades
 

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Sideline warnings typically aren’t thrown on turnovers unless the team has been a problem all game.

It'll 100% be the SEC running the title game this year. This is the first chance they've had to do it in like two decades
Tongue was firmly in cheek

Guessing SeC hasn’t reffed it bc SEC teams have played in the championship?
But now I’m curious, who refs ND games? Big 10 refs since their other sports are there? Refs from whichever conference the opponent belongs to?
 

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The big playoff is fun. Most college football games are meaningless, it’s great to have a bunch of games that matter. They should make it even bigger, do real seedings and make the lower seeds win their way in to play the big boys.
 

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But now I’m curious, who refs ND games? Big 10 refs since their other sports are there? Refs from whichever conference the opponent belongs to?
ACC works all ND games

EDIT: All ND games where the "home team" is supplying the officials. All non-conference games (which is every game on the schedule for Notre Dame) have different stipulations in the contract for who supplies the officials. If the teams are "equal" (like two P4 teams), often the road team brings their conference officials. You see that a lot with the SEC/ACC matchups to end the year. Very rarely the teams will bring in a neutral crew, that's typically for the big showcase games at the beginning of the year in Atlanta/Dallas or whatever. Otherwise the home team supplies their officials. The "conference officials" for Notre Dame are always ACC.
 

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2. When the play broke down so badly, the back could have thrown the ball in the end zone, just gotten rid of it any number of ways to avoid that loss. He had no chance to go anywhere.
You're right on paper, but that's a big ask, especially for a kid running to his left. That's absolutely not how he's coached.
 

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2. When the play broke down so badly, the back could have thrown the ball in the end zone, just gotten rid of it any number of ways to avoid that loss. He had no chance to go anywhere.
He doesn't get protection from intentional grounding like the QB does, so he would have to actually throw it to a receiver
 

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Unless he's left-handed, I don't see any opportunity for him to unload the ball. The O-line didn't even present a speed bump, so the defense was on him before he had time to turn his body. Trying to plant and pass it very well could have had the same fumble result we saw two plays later from Ewers.
 

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Right before the play I told my son the last thing you would want to do here is run a pitch and risk a fumble recovered for a touchdown the other way. Four chances to bang it in. Worst case OSU takes over on the one. Yeesh.
 

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Up this thing. 16 teams, 32, what have you. Work in the first round byes like a salad. I'm all in. Make March Madness = January Madness. Have 3 games going at the same time, like Tuesday/Thursdays of the first days of the college Bball tourny. This thing has chunks of the NBA Emperial Pirates Cup or what ever it's called in it's stool.

It's gold, Jerry. Gold.
 

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It was an absolutely terrible call. Especially considering that Ohio State is one of the best (if not the best) defenses in short yardage/red zone.

As for the playoff, even though it will ultimately end up benefitting the Buckeyes in a huge way, I still think 12 teams is way too large. I think what @Auger34 was trying to say while pissing all over himself last night is similar to what my argument against 12 teams was.

Traditionally, the CFB national champion was the best team throughout the whole season, not just the team that got hot in the last three weeks (like every other sport). College football was special in that sense. This year, the Penn State and Indiana games didn’t have the same “juice” for me; I just figured with the enlarged field the Buckeyes would find a way to get in either way.

I really loved the home site games, but I thought four teams was absolutely perfect. I’d settle for six though.
Yes, this is what I was saying.

I re-read all of these posts from last night. In every single one of them I was clear that Ohio State was one of the best 12 teams. I said any year before the 12 team playoff (so a 4 team playoff) they wouldn’t have made it. The only thing I said that was wrong is that this wasn’t the proof of concept the NCAA wanted, it pretty clearly is. 2 talented teams with massive fanbases made it. I wasn’t arguing anything just pointing out what you did in the above.

I also agree that 4 or 6 teams is the best.
 

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The only real problem with the current system is the byes backfire because teams are too rusty. It probably needs to be 16 teams to make more sense.
 

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Re- that second down call -

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_-OgEl4X0

Play is at 2:40 here.

Even less inclined to trade down for Banks after Sark throws him under the bus. Also, this doesn’t reflect well on the coach either.

“That's one of those plays if you block it all right, you get in the end zone,” Sarkisian said. “We didn't.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/texas-steve-sarkisian-crumble-ohio-110738130.html
He is right. Every single lineman missed their assignment.
 

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Re- that second down call -

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_-OgEl4X0

Play is at 2:40 here.

Even less inclined to trade down for Banks after Sark throws him under the bus. Also, this doesn’t reflect well on the coach either.

“That's one of those plays if you block it all right, you get in the end zone,” Sarkisian said. “We didn't.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/texas-steve-sarkisian-crumble-ohio-110738130.html
Thsts all well and good when both sides are an even match up and it’s just talent against talent. Problem is they ran a play right into OSUs strength where they had an advantage. So yeah, if Texas outplayed OSU on that play they score but given the downside, game situation and matchup it was a bad play call.
 

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The only real problem with the current system is the byes backfire because teams are too rusty. It probably needs to be 16 teams to make more sense.
It’s a disadvantage to have a bye? But there should be some reward for going undefeated or one-loss.

edit- I suppose facing seed#13-16 is some reward.
 

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The only real problem with the current system is the byes backfire because teams are too rusty. It probably needs to be 16 teams to make more sense.
Why are we using a four-game sample size to come to this type of conclusion? Two of those teams were underdogs and the third had a backup QB. I don't think using this year's results is wise in determining how to run this tournament moving forward.

The first weekend had amazing atmospheres. The second week had amazing games. This has been so much fun.

I'm probably in the minority, but I Iike the current seeding system. Getting a Big 12 team and a MWC team in the top four is much more interesting to me than having the committee hand out all seeds in order. The Big Ten and SEC created their own scheduling problems, I don't think the CFP should give them another advantage. The only change I would make is to have the second week of games be at home sites.
 

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Yes, this is what I was saying.

I re-read all of these posts from last night. In every single one of them I was clear that Ohio State was one of the best 12 teams. I said any year before the 12 team playoff (so a 4 team playoff) they wouldn’t have made it. The only thing I said that was wrong is that this wasn’t the proof of concept the NCAA wanted, it pretty clearly is. 2 talented teams with massive fanbases made it. I wasn’t arguing anything just pointing out what you did in the above.

I also agree that 4 or 6 teams is the best.
Notre Dame and Ohio State would have still made the field if it was 6. We’d have:

Round 1 (Looks familiar)
OSU vs Texas
Penn St vs ND