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I'm sure it would burn the whole organization down, but I would be VERY tempted to send him to Providence for a couple of weeks to get his shit together.

It's likely not possible due to waiver rules and whatnot, but he's not an NHL goalie at this point in time.
 

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Yeah, he'd have to go on waivers to be sent to Providence. That means exposing him to the rest of the league. His contract trims the list of teams that could actually claim him to a handful but it is still highly likely he would get picked up. I would play Korpisalo more. He's been adequate.

Also I was on board with a coaching change recently but I'm kinda reconsidering that. Monty is in the last year of his contract so they aren't committed to him long term. They can ride the year out and then part ways and go through a coaching hire during the normal coaching hire cycle where the candidate pool will be larger. I'm not really sure there's someone presently not coaching that would be the answer or an improvement. When they fired Julien during the season they had Butch with NHL experience plus multiple years in Providence. Mougenel has been with Providence for a few years now but I don't know much about him. On the current NHL coaching staff Joe Sacco is the associate coach and he's the most experienced. he coached the Avalanche for 4 years before being fired. He's been in Boston since 2014 so I would assume if they stay in-house, he'd be the leading candidate. The other two profile assistants are Jay Leach who has had AHL head coaching experience but not a ton and Chirs Kelly who has only ever been an assistant in Boston.

Externally, there aren't many coaching candidates without a job. The biggest name out there is Quenneville who has been reinstated but, uh, they better not do that. Gerard Gallant is a "name" coach but I'm not too enthused by his system and body of work. Ditto for Todd Mclellan. They could try to wait out Pittsburgh and see if Sully shakes loose and is then interested in coming back but there's a lot of "if's" in that scenario.

I don't know. Add it all up and I'm starting to think ride it out and go through a formal process in the offseason with a full pool of candidates.
 

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They have to figure out a way to get Swayman’s head right, because they’re not getting out of that contract. I would start by playing Korpisalo every other night like they used to with Ullmark and see if that helps.

I just don’t understand why, when they didn’t trust Swayman so much that played an injured goalie over him two years out of three in the playoffs, that they would turn around and give him 8 x $8.25, when they could have gotten good value for him this summer and just kept Ullmark?
 

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They have to figure out a way to get Swayman’s head right, because they’re not getting out of that contract. I would start by playing Korpisalo every other night like they used to with Ullmark and see if that helps.

I just don’t understand why, when they didn’t trust Swayman so much that played an injured goalie over him two years out of three in the playoffs, that they would turn around and give him 8 x $8.25, when they could have gotten good value for him this summer and just kept Ullmark?
They were so desperate to get a pick in this year's draft that they traded Ullmark before getting Swayman signed, which promptly gave Swayman all the leverage in contract negotiations and led to the holdout. And that's led to the season being tanked.

Not Donnie's finest hour.
 

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They were so desperate to get a pick in this year's draft that they traded Ullmark before getting Swayman signed, which promptly gave Swayman all the leverage in contract negotiations and led to the holdout. And that's led to the season being tanked.

Not Donnie's finest hour.
I know, but they probably still get a first round pick + a decent young player and they wouldn’t have had to take a bad contract if they traded Swayman and kept Ullmark.

Bottom line, it looks like they traded the wrong goalie.
 

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I know, but they probably still get a first round pick + a decent young player and they wouldn’t have had to take a bad contract if they traded Swayman and kept Ullmark.

Bottom line, it looks like they traded the wrong goalie.
Maybe in hindsight, but I think in last year's playoffs it really looked like Swayman was the MAN.

Also, Ullmark hasn't been much better this season, statistically, than Swayman.

Save %:
- Ullmark: .890
- Swayman: .888
 

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Maybe in hindsight, but I think in last year's playoffs it really looked like Swayman was the MAN.

Also, Ullmark hasn't been much better this season, statistically, than Swayman.

Save %:
- Ullmark: .890
- Swayman: .888
I know, but they would only be committed to Ullmark for 1 year at $5 million on the cap if they kept him. And they wouldn’t have had to take on Korpisalo’s $3 million to get a 1st round pick.

They would have then only had $5.75 million tied up in the goaltending position between Ullmark & Bussi instead of $11.25 for pretty much the same production that they are getting now.

And they then could have used that $5.5 million to add more scoring.

Now the offense sucks, and the goaltending not only sucks, it’s expensive.
 

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I know, but they would only be committed to Ullmark for 1 year at $5 million on the cap if they kept him. And they wouldn’t have had to take on Korpisalo’s $3 million to get a 1st round pick.

They would have then only had $5.75 million tied up in the goaltending position between Ullmark & Bussi instead of $11.25 for pretty much the same production that they are getting now.

And they then could have used that $5.5 million to add more scoring.

Now the offense sucks, and the goaltending not only sucks, it’s expensive.
Yep. And some of it (not all of it) is bad defense. Swayman has faced the 5th most shots in the league. He's getting peppered. The whole team is a mess right now.
 

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I know, but they would only be committed to Ullmark for 1 year at $5 million on the cap if they kept him. And they wouldn’t have had to take on Korpisalo’s $3 million to get a 1st round pick.

They would have then only had $5.75 million tied up in the goaltending position between Ullmark & Bussi instead of $11.25 for pretty much the same production that they are getting now.

And they then could have used that $5.5 million to add more scoring.

Now the offense sucks, and the goaltending not only sucks, it’s expensive.
This is reacting in hindsight. I don't think anyone in June was arguing they should trade Swayman and keep Ullmark.

I don't think they mishandled the situation at all. Both goalies expressed a desire to play 55 games a year, which left the Bruins in the position of choosing one over the other. They went with the younger one with the higher ceiling who was established as a top 10 NHL goalie. That is a reasonable decision.

As far as the timing and sequencing. As said above, both goalies told Sweeney they wanted to play 55 games and he couldn't accomodate that. Since Ullmark was under contract he could've told him (and Swayman) to suck it up and deal with the rotation another year. But he still had to sign Swayman and Swayman's price was not going to be impacted by Ullmark still being here. So they would've been looking at $13.25 million as their goalie cap charge for 24/25. The other common complaint is that Sweeney traded Ullmark before he signed Swayman. I don't think he had much choice. I guess he could've pushed to get the Swayman deal done early but that takes two to tango and I get the sense that was always going to be a long drawn out negotiation. NHL team building basically happens over a 10-day period over the last week of June and first week of July. If he held onto Ullmark through that period then that's $5 million he can't spend in free agency so it direcly impacts what he can/can't do to address other roster needs. Additionally, holding Ullmark impacts his trade market. Teams build their rosters early in the summer. They are going to spend their cap money in July and set their teams. Teams interested in Ullmark in June/July, if Sweeney holds, are going to move on to other options. By the time September rolls around there's not going to be as much demand which would reduce return. Finally, Sweeey could've spent as he did in free agency and used the 10% overage to hold onto Ullmark until Swayman was signed but that would've caused further issues. It would've opened them up to a Swayman offer sheet they couldn't match or put them in a position where they get Swayman signed but now are over the cap and he's gotta make a move and he has to basically make the Taylor Hall trade with Ullmark and get nothing.

I think it's totally fair to second guess how Sweeney spent in free agency this year with Lindholm and Zadorov but even given Swayman's struggles I don't think he mishandled the goalie situation. He chose the young one with a higher ceiling and moved Ullmark at an appropriate time for max value.
 

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Took a look. The root cause of Swayman's issues is high danger save percentage. It's way down.

Swayman 23/24 High Danger save percentage at 5x5: .832
Swayman 24/24 High Danger save percentage at 5x5: .769

Swayman 23/24 High Danger save percentage shortanded: .766
Swayman 24/25 High Danger save percentage shorthanded: .550 (lol). He's given up 9 high danger goals on 20 shots against.

His total 5x5 save percentage is even to last year, .929 to .928.

The easy answer is "tighten up defensively" but believe it or not they're actually doing a better job of limiting high danger chances against this year than they did last year at both 5x5 and when shorthanded. The volume against is not the problem. The overall PK percentage looks terrible because they aren't getting the saves.

I don't know the first thing about goaltending so I won't begin to offer any solutions but that's what Swayman and Goalie Bob need to drill in on and figure out.
 

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That’s not a slew foot.

Can we also keep penalty complaining out of main threads?
Watching it again, He kicked his foot out from behind, so not a slew foot, but still should have been a trip.

I agree, we should keep officiating complaints to the game thread.
 

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Yeah, he'd have to go on waivers to be sent to Providence. That means exposing him to the rest of the league. His contract trims the list of teams that could actually claim him to a handful but it is still highly likely he would get picked up. I would play Korpisalo more. He's been adequate.

Also I was on board with a coaching change recently but I'm kinda reconsidering that. Monty is in the last year of his contract so they aren't committed to him long term. They can ride the year out and then part ways and go through a coaching hire during the normal coaching hire cycle where the candidate pool will be larger. I'm not really sure there's someone presently not coaching that would be the answer or an improvement. When they fired Julien during the season they had Butch with NHL experience plus multiple years in Providence. Mougenel has been with Providence for a few years now but I don't know much about him. On the current NHL coaching staff Joe Sacco is the associate coach and he's the most experienced. he coached the Avalanche for 4 years before being fired. He's been in Boston since 2014 so I would assume if they stay in-house, he'd be the leading candidate. The other two profile assistants are Jay Leach who has had AHL head coaching experience but not a ton and Chirs Kelly who has only ever been an assistant in Boston.

Externally, there aren't many coaching candidates without a job. The biggest name out there is Quenneville who has been reinstated but, uh, they better not do that. Gerard Gallant is a "name" coach but I'm not too enthused by his system and body of work. Ditto for Todd Mclellan. They could try to wait out Pittsburgh and see if Sully shakes loose and is then interested in coming back but there's a lot of "if's" in that scenario.

I don't know. Add it all up and I'm starting to think ride it out and go through a formal process in the offseason with a full pool of candidates.
3 Stanley Cups makes Coach Q the most qualified head coach out there. The scandal makes him the least likely to be hired. as you suggest. Bruce Boudreau? He seems like a fun guy who swears a lot.
 

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That’s not a slew foot.

Can we also keep penalty complaining out of main threads?
What is a slew foot then? Always been my understanding that using your skate to push someone's foot and skate forward so they fall backwards is a slew foot. Now, if you're arguing that was unintentional, I'm fine with that, but otherwise it looked just like a slew foot. I could be wrong though
 

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What is a slew foot then? Always been my understanding that using your skate to push someone's foot and skate forward so they fall backwards is a slew foot. Now, if you're arguing that was unintentional, I'm fine with that, but otherwise it looked just like a slew foot. I could be wrong though
That was my thinking as well Dummy.
 

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What is a slew foot then? Always been my understanding that using your skate to push someone's foot and skate forward so they fall backwards is a slew foot. Now, if you're arguing that was unintentional, I'm fine with that, but otherwise it looked just like a slew foot. I could be wrong though
I think by definition, it is probably a slew foot, but I also think it rarely gets called unless the offending player is also pushing the upper body back in some way. Per the NHL rule book (8.8):

Slew footing occurs when a player uses a leg or a foot to knock, drag, or sweep an opposing player’s feet from under them, or pushes another player’s upper body backward with an arm or elbow and at the same time, with a forward motion of their leg, knocks, drags, or sweeps that player’s feet from under them.
Either way, that was pretty clearly a penalty, tripping at minimum, so for the ref to shout "What am I supposed to call there" at him is fucking hilarious.
 

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What is a slew foot then? Always been my understanding that using your skate to push someone's foot and skate forward so they fall backwards is a slew foot. Now, if you're arguing that was unintentional, I'm fine with that, but otherwise it looked just like a slew foot. I could be wrong though
Yeah I view that more as a trip. Slew foot in my view was always foot behind the skate and push backwards with the upper body. No idea if that's technical but feel like that's what I've always grown up on.
 

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Sure, but it's the foot that matters. A slew foot is a trip...just a particularly dangerous one. It looks like the rulebook covers both definitions.

My son was in front of the net yesterday when the D came up from behind and skated his leg through the back of my son's leg, toppling him backwards. It sure looked intentional, and I considered that a slew foot, although there was no upper body involved.

(My son later caught another kid on their team with a hard butt end in the gut, just poke a little of the butt end of stick out of the glove and give a hard whack with your hand- looks like your putting a shoulder into him but a LOT dirtier. He got away with it somehow but I saw it...I was genuinely torn because my son has a path to playing some higher level (post HS) hockey and I want him to be able to let people know they can't fuck with him, which they are already trying to do. But the kid he took out didn't deserve that...amazing what a savage ballet this sport is)
 

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I really don't care or feel strongly about this one. It was a trip but not a particularly dirty one. Looks like I've had a different definition of slew foot in my head than reality.
 

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We might not score conventionally, but we can push a goalie holding the puck into the net and maybe on replay it's a goal because the whistle came a quarter second too late.
 

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We are a quarter(!!!!!!!) into the regular season, the team is 8-9-3, holding the last wildcard spot by a point at the time of writing, though the team has played 1-2 games more on the 4 teams below them within 2 points. Now is the time for a change. If Monty makes it through tomorrow he's probably here the rest of the season and they are throwing in the towel for the season. I have been meh on the management side, but bringing up a guy like Viel who gives nothing but "toughness" that doesn't fit in the league anymore over anyone else is insane, they are stuck in the past. I think wholesale changes need to be made, and if they don't I have zero understanding of the plan
 

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You know what the best part of my day is? Every day for about 10 seconds I come to this thread, and I think maybe I'll come here and Monty won't be here.

And take Sweeney and Neely with you. I don't know much, but I know that...
 

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We are a quarter(!!!!!!!) into the regular season, the team is 8-9-3, holding the last wildcard spot by a point at the time of writing, though the team has played 1-2 games more on the 4 teams below them within 2 points. Now is the time for a change. If Monty makes it through tomorrow he's probably here the rest of the season and they are throwing in the towel for the season. I have been meh on the management side, but bringing up a guy like Viel who gives nothing but "toughness" that doesn't fit in the league anymore over anyone else is insane, they are stuck in the past. I think wholesale changes need to be made, and if they don't I have zero understanding of the plan
I am reminded of the Zac Rinaldo trade. The league is not returning to the goon days in any of our lifetimes, but yet the Bruins management stubbornly clings to the concept of slow, unskilled, yet "tough" players somehow being the missing ingredient.
 

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I am reminded of the Zac Rinaldo trade. The league is not returning to the goon days in any of our lifetimes, but yet the Bruins management stubbornly clings to the concept of slow, unskilled, yet "tough" players somehow being the missing ingredient.
Its like Neely is thinking, "lets squeak into the playoffs because *now* we have a team tough enough to beat Florida."

(Yes, thats nuts. Just trying to figure out what they think theyre doing).
 

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Swayman now at -7.3 GSAE on moneypuck. Good for 5th worst in the league. Despite how it seems, the defense has pulled this team to about what they were last year at 50% xG, but the goalie sucks and the special teams are putrid.

if you’re a rosy thinker, you can assume all three major problems will regress to the mean and they will recover, but it might be too late by the time that happens.
 

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I think Swayman needs to “pull something” so that he can reset himself mentally & physically. He wasn’t ready to start the season and it shows. They can get the level of goaltending that they are getting from him right now out of Korpisalo and Bussi over the next 3 weeks or so.
 

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The team sent out an email apparently saying that Montgomery will be available to the media after practice on Wednesday.

I’m not sure what more that Neely & Sweeney have to see before they do something.
 

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I would count on nothing from Swayman this year.

Again, I will say it: this is Byron Dafoe 1999/2000 all over again. The holdout ruined Dafoe's season; it will ruin Swayman's as well.
You might be right, but they should try something instead of just doing the same thing every game and expecting different results.
 

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I am reminded of the Zac Rinaldo trade. The league is not returning to the goon days in any of our lifetimes, but yet the Bruins management stubbornly clings to the concept of slow, unskilled, yet "tough" players somehow being the missing ingredient.
In fairness, I'm not sure what other options they had.

Kastelic is hurt and they had decided to sit Koepke. Merkulov is already up. Lysell is the obvious answer but he recently returned from injury and had just played 3 games in 3 days down in Providence. Yesterday would've been 4 games in 4 days. Plus, had they called him up to play him with Beecher and Johnson we'd kill them for not putting him in a position to succeed. Tufte has been up and is useless. Max Jones has been up and everyone hated him. Patrick Brown is a milqetoast as they come and he got a game recently. I didn't want them to send Poitras down in the first place but now that he's down it doesn't make sense to yo-yo him back up after 3 games.

After those guys the options left with NHL experience are Vinni Lettieri, Marc McLaughlin and Viel. The former 2 are likely invisible. Viel stinks but will hit and fight and maybe they get some energy (they did not). I can kinda see the hail mary attempt there. Beyond them is the younger guys who have yet to play in the NHL. Farinacci, Duran, Kuntar, etc. Maybe throw shit against the wall and see what happens but they also don't like to yo-yo kids.

I go back to the summer where they deliberately didn't sign a scoring winger because they wanted the kids to push. That is looking like a mistake.
 

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Agree with this. Not looking to bury Swayman. Just play Korpisalo 3-4 games in a row.
There is precedent for this, although not under Monty: a few years ago Rask was struggling early, so Cassidy played Dobby for most of a West Coast swing and Dobby played very well. Rask got a short break and came back playing better, and the Bruins got wins.

Not sure if Monty wants to do that since Swayman is clearly dealing with rust, but it seems to me to be the best option for now. Swayman isn't giving the team a chance to win.
 

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The team sent out an email apparently saying that Montgomery will be available to the media after practice on Wednesday.

I’m not sure what more that Neely & Sweeney have to see before they do something.
If that's the case they aren't firing this bum and we're stuck with him rest of the year. Which if that's the case they've given up on the season already and should be fired themselves
 

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It is standard operating procedure. The PR department sends the media the coah and player media availibility schedule for the next day ahead of time. Monty is the coach, he does media availability after every practice. Do you want them to put an asterix and say "if still the coach?" They are going to operate as if he's the coach until he's not.
 

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I can't see them even making the playoffs at this point, all of their top paid talent essentially giving no effort and looking mids at best right now.
 

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There is precedent for this, although not under Monty: a few years ago Rask was struggling early, so Cassidy played Dobby for most of a West Coast swing and Dobby played very well. Rask got a short break and came back playing better, and the Bruins got wins.

Not sure if Monty wants to do that since Swayman is clearly dealing with rust, but it seems to me to be the best option for now. Swayman isn't giving the team a chance to win.
I'm sure some of it is rust-related. But since Swayman is likely human, the holdout and the contract may also have him pressing. And he doesn't have his older veteran buddy Ullmark to help him navigate it all, like he might have in the past. I think a few games riding the pine would be good for him.
 

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I do think Monty is likely gone at some point. It's the only card they can really play.

There is reports of them sniffing around the trade market but I'm not sure what they can do there. They can't really add because they have limited cap space.

In the "shake up the room" department, the majority of the players that would qualify as "shaking it up" has some form of trade protection. Pastrnak, Marchand, Lindholm, Coyle (8-team no), Zacha (10-team no), McAvoy, Lindholm, Zadorov, Carlo (10-team no). The non-prospect players they can trade are Geekie, Frederic, Kastelic, Johnson, Peeke and Wortherspoon. I don't really think trading one of those guys for futures is going do much. Plus when you're desperate the return usually reflects it. Not that they'd get much for those guys anyway, Frederic is probably the only one with real value. Maybe Geekie.
 

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I do think Monty is likely gone at some point. It's the only card they can really play.

There is reports of them sniffing around the trade market but I'm not sure what they can do there. They can't really add because they have limited cap space.

In the "shake up the room" department, the majority of the players that would qualify as "shaking it up" has some form of trade protection. Pastrnak, Marchand, Lindholm, Coyle (8-team no), Zacha (10-team no), McAvoy, Lindholm, Zadorov, Carlo (10-team no). The non-prospect players they can trade are Geekie, Frederic, Kastelic, Johnson, Peeke and Wortherspoon. I don't really think trading one of those guys for futures is going do much. Plus when you're desperate the return usually reflects it. Not that they'd get much for those guys anyway, Frederic is probably the only one with real value. Maybe Geekie.
Please do not make any trades to add. This team needs an infusion of talent and it needs to come from actually having some early round draft picks for a bit. Shuffle the deck chairs on Monty if it gets a dead cat bounce, but keep the picks.