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Is it way too early for this... yes.

But it was requested in the other thread, so here it is.
 

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Hunter seems super talented but it seems like his strength is more tilted towards being a corner, and that is a rare position of strength for the Pats.

It's not a great draft for what the Pats need. I could see a trade down, especially if a QB is still there.

So much of the Pats' weakness comes from the O-Line. I don't know jack shit about any of these players, but I'd like that to be the focus in the early stages of the draft. Really wish there was a Penai Sewell in this draft but that doesn't appear to be the case.
 

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Seems there's a lot of depth at tackle around the late first/ early 2nd area, that might be the spot to target the OL. Tankathon has Ersery (27), Williams (31), Milum (32), Savaiinaea (35) and Conerly (to the Pats at 38) all there. McMillan just makes too much sense to me at 4.
 

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Seems there's a lot of depth at tackle around the late first/ early 2nd area, that might be the spot to target the OL. Tankathon has Ersery (27), Williams (31), Milum (32), Savaiinaea (35) and Conerly (to the Pats at 38) all there. McMillan just makes too much sense to me at 4.
So 2 of those guys are probably guards, but also I'd expect risers out of that group (as an example, last year Guyton wasn't in most mocks and Fuaga and Latham were late 1sts. Year before that Darnell Wright was out of the 1st at this point.
 

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It's a cycle where the best olinemen have question marks next to them, including whether a bunch of them will need to kick inside in the NFL.

As a result I'm kinda prepared for the big run on them to happen starting in the mid-late teens. I don't know if this is going to happen. But I can see teams in the top 12-14 picks deciding to take a surer thing at a different position over Campbell and Banks, causing both to slide toward the back end of that group. And then starting in the mid-teens teams starting to talk themselves into one of the others because they think that particular player will really be able to play tackle. With most/all of the linemen with tackle potential then gone by the mid-late 20s.

The second round this year seems to start in the mid-teens. So I'm prepared for team to shrug and take guys with second-round question marks starting then.
 

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Hunter seems super talented but it seems like his strength is more tilted towards being a corner, and that is a rare position of strength for the Pats.

It's not a great draft for what the Pats need. I could see a trade down, especially if a QB is still there.

So much of the Pats' weakness comes from the O-Line. I don't know jack shit about any of these players, but I'd like that to be the focus in the early stages of the draft. Really wish there was a Penai Sewell in this draft but that doesn't appear to be the case.
The Pats need talent everywhere but QB. I'll defer to SMU Sox but the draft is deep at EDGE (major need), the draft is deep at DL (significant need), the draft is deep at RB (a definite need, whether Vrabel or Johnson becomes HC). The Pats don't need another young WR, they need a high-ceiling vet who can separate from DBs. The draft is not deep at LT, and it may not be Campbell's ultimate position.
 
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Tet at 4 seems 6-10 spots too high for consensus and i think I'm lower than consensus on him. A lot of question marks in his profile. Avg speed, no deep separation, 8% drop rate, avg route running.
Had 20% of his production in one game, first game of year. I think he goes top 15 but unless he tests really well I'm not sold on him as a top 15 talent. Poor man's Drake London or maybe a Marques Colston type is currently what I'm hearing. Should be good redzone threat but might not help you get there.
 

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Tet at 4 seems 6-10 spots too high for consensus and i think I'm lower than consensus on him. A lot of question marks in his profile. Avg speed, no deep separation, 8% drop rate, avg route running.
Had 20% of his production in one game, first game of year. I think he goes top 15 but unless he tests really well I'm not sold on him as a top 15 talent. Poor man's Drake London or maybe a Marques Colston type is currently what I'm hearing. Should be good redzone threat but might not help you get there.
I’d rather build via the lines out. DL or OL. That’s how you win. Carter from Penn State I would be interested in at 4.
 

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I’d rather build via the lines out. DL or OL. That’s how you win.
This is my instinct as well, although it sometimes can steer ya wrong

One top-notch WR would be a much bigger help to our offense than one top-notch lineman, because it takes five guys to have a strong line

That said, this is going to be a multi-year rebuild, and I think we should be prioritizing winning in 3-4 years over winning next year.

So, one way to think about this...
  • At positions of need for the Pats (not QB, outside corner); and
  • At the highest-value/Tier 1 positions (Edge, iDL, OT, WR);
  • Which of the guys in the top 10 look like they'd be the first person off the board at their position in most drafts?

If you go by the consensus rankings there are (I think) only two names on that list: Abdul Carter and Mason Graham

If the draft were today I'd take one of those two and declare victory
 
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Tet at 4 seems 6-10 spots too high for consensus and i think I'm lower than consensus on him. A lot of question marks in his profile. Avg speed, no deep separation, 8% drop rate, avg route running.
Had 20% of his production in one game, first game of year. I think he goes top 15 but unless he tests really well I'm not sold on him as a top 15 talent. Poor man's Drake London or maybe a Marques Colston type is currently what I'm hearing. Should be good redzone threat but might not help you get there.
Marques Colston would be our best wide receiver since Randy Moss.
 

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I’ve done the PFN mock draft simulator several times already and at #4 I’ve consistently ended up with McMillan. If he’s what all the scouting reports say he can be (one said he’s got some Randy Moss in him), he’d be an instant mega boost to the offense.
 

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If he’s what all the scouting reports say he can be (one said he’s got some Randy Moss in him), he’d be an instant mega boost to the offense.
Moss ran a 4.25. McMillan is expected to be in the 4.5s. He may very well have a fine career, but a Moss comp seems crazy. Personally, I don’t want anything to do with McMillan at 4. I’d much rather go with Carter or Graham.
 

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Moss ran a 4.25. McMillan is expected to be in the 4.5s. He may very well have a fine career, but a Moss comp seems crazy. Personally, I don’t want anything to do with McMillan at 4. I’d much rather go with Carter or Graham.
Same. Build from the inside out.
 

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Seems like more trades are available now. This early, maybe ignore the players and look at the number of picks.

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I had fun with this last year and just went through again. Not very useful yet given how much these rankings will change (the season isn't even over), and I know very little about this draft class. I also think the AI offers you more trades than happen in real life?

Anyway here's one option to focus on the lines and grab another 2nd round WR (shudder):

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That said, as much as I want to build through the lines, I think the Pats need to prioritize getting a skill position weapon (like that WR from Ohio State). Obviously I have no idea on almost any of these guys, but just went through and tried that as well and got an extra 2nd for '26 and some extra picks this year.

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Tet at 4 seems 6-10 spots too high for consensus and i think I'm lower than consensus on him. A lot of question marks in his profile. Avg speed, no deep separation, 8% drop rate, avg route running.
Had 20% of his production in one game, first game of year. I think he goes top 15 but unless he tests really well I'm not sold on him as a top 15 talent. Poor man's Drake London or maybe a Marques Colston type is currently what I'm hearing. Should be good redzone threat but might not help you get there.
Tet seems to be one of those players where his combine speed numbers will actually matter a lot. If he can get sub 4.5 that would be a really big deal
 

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Hunter seems super talented but it seems like his strength is more tilted towards being a corner, and that is a rare position of strength for the Pats.

It's not a great draft for what the Pats need. I could see a trade down, especially if a QB is still there.

So much of the Pats' weakness comes from the O-Line. I don't know jack shit about any of these players, but I'd like that to be the focus in the early stages of the draft. Really wish there was a Penai Sewell in this draft but that doesn't appear to be the case.
100% Can you also imagine the constant back and forth discussions of CB/WR? We've had so many failings in our coaching staff/front office. Let's make it simpler for the organization and not draft the one player who can play on offense and defense. If he's there at pick 4 and some other team can afford that type of flexibility then let's make a trade.
 

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This draft seems really bad. Maybe SMU-chee can straighten me out. Certainly not giving me 2022 round 1 vibes.
 

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It seems like a draft where there could be a lot of movement of picks because there isn't a large top-tier and teams might only be focused on 2-3 guys in. certain spot.
At 1, I was all in favor of trading out. At 4, it's quite possible that the Patriots will have their choice of what prime talent remains, which makes me think it would be wiser to stick and pick.
 

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Made a couple trades, down for Campbell and then back up for a dropping Egbuka.



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and I did a few drafts as the Titans and it's so much more fun with the #1 pick. Fuck!
 
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I’d prefer to trade down to approximately 7/10/12 and add a 2nd or 3rd rounder. In this draft I also traded down to 18 because there were numerous prospects available at 12.IMG_4240.jpeg
 

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It seems like a draft where there could be a lot of movement of picks because there isn't a large top-tier and teams might only be focused on 2-3 guys in. certain spot.
At 1, I was all in favor of trading out. At 4, it's quite possible that the Patriots will have their choice of what prime talent remains, which makes me think it would be wiser to stick and pick.
This is why I don’t mind them winning that last game. I would have preferred that they didn’t but as the weeks go on I’m not sure how much I trust them to start wheeling and dealing. Best player available at every spot, unless it’s a QB or an early round CB.

(note: I was upset that they won, don’t get me wrong)
 

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Moss ran a 4.25. McMillan is expected to be in the 4.5s. He may very well have a fine career, but a Moss comp seems crazy. Personally, I don’t want anything to do with McMillan at 4. I’d much rather go with Carter or Graham.
Same. Build from the inside out.
Agreed. Abdul Carter could have a better 40 than T-Mac (in which case he may not even make it to #4).
All of this 100%. Well, 90% since I sort of want Graham. But why reach for an OL or a WR when you can just pick a great DL?

edit - if you asked me in early October I would have said draft nothing but OL. But they need BPA all over the place/both lines
 

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Moss ran a 4.25. McMillan is expected to be in the 4.5s. He may very well have a fine career, but a Moss comp seems crazy. Personally, I don’t want anything to do with McMillan at 4. I’d much rather go with Carter or Graham.
I'd rather draft Carter and hit the trade market for a WR (Metcalf, Samuel, Higgins, Brown etc).
 

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Agreed. Carter is the guy I want at 4. I can live with Graham, though.
If they draft Carter at 4 this will remind me how it played out in 93 and 94 first round when you took a QB in Bledsoe in 93 and then took a DE/LB in McGinest in 94. Very similar parallels if that happens.
 

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Really like this draft. A couple of playmakers desperately needed on defense along with a pair of RB's and pass catchers in the first 5 rounds.
 

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Really like this draft. A couple of playmakers desperately needed on defense along with a pair of RB's and pass catchers in the first 5 rounds.
I've read good things about Carter and Watts, so I like those picks, but the state of the O-line means I think they have to take some shots there in the top 200 picks. Free agency alone is unlikely to plug all of those holes... but the problem with the OL, of course, is that it sounds like this is a weak class at that position. So I suppose I could see the logic, if the Pats are truly convinced there are not quality OL prospects available, in opting to draft other positions of need (see: all of them outside of QB) and trying to address OL elsewhere.
 

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I've read good things about Carter and Watts, so I like those picks, but the state of the O-line means I think they have to take some shots there in the top 200 picks. Free agency alone is unlikely to plug all of those holes... but the problem with the OL, of course, is that it sounds like this is a weak class at that position. So I suppose I could see the logic, if the Pats are truly convinced there are not quality OL prospects available, in opting to draft other positions of need (see: all of them outside of QB) and trying to address OL elsewhere.
The key is hoping Ronnie Stanley gets to free agency and overpay him for the next 3-4 years so then they can look for the tackle position down the road.
 

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I've read good things about Carter and Watts, so I like those picks, but the state of the O-line means I think they have to take some shots there in the top 200 picks. Free agency alone is unlikely to plug all of those holes... but the problem with the OL, of course, is that it sounds like this is a weak class at that position. So I suppose I could see the logic, if the Pats are truly convinced there are not quality OL prospects available, in opting to draft other positions of need (see: all of them outside of QB) and trying to address OL elsewhere.
Yeah, this is a sound instinct.

A challenge tho is that there are a ton of teams looking to address holes in their offensive lines. And the logic you lay out for the Pats is also going to be compelling for a bunch of other teams, especially when the "true" first round talent in this draft runs out in the mid-teens somewhere.

I know I'm quoting myself here, but...


It's a cycle where the best olinemen have question marks next to them, including whether a bunch of them will need to kick inside in the NFL.

As a result I'm kinda prepared for the big run on them to happen starting in the mid-late teens. I don't know if this is going to happen. But I can see teams in the top 12-14 picks deciding to take a surer thing at a different position over Campbell and Banks, causing both to slide toward the back end of that group. And then starting in the mid-teens teams starting to talk themselves into one of the others because they think that particular player will really be able to play tackle. With most/all of the linemen with tackle potential then gone by the mid-late 20s.

The second round this year seems to start in the mid-teens. So I'm prepared for team to shrug and take guys with second-round question marks starting then.

...if we want one of the better offensive linemen in this draft who has the physical tools to play tackle at the next level (e.g. Josh Simmons, Conerly from Oregon) we may need a second first-round pick in the late teens or 20s to do it.



That PFN draft simulator really needs to update their draft board and rankings. They're letting you get guys after the first round who are likely to be long gone by then, if the consensus of scouts is to be believed
 

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Feels like these early drafts are going to be completely uninformative as premier linemen move up and other positions move down.
 

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Feels like these early drafts are going to be completely uninformative as premier linemen move up and other positions move down.
Yeah.

I mean, I'm kinda intrigued at trade scenarios that get us an extra high second round pick because I think the coming run on potential OTs in the late first round is going to push lower some guys who are legit really good at their position.

If an additional high second pick lets us take someone like Jihaad Campbell or Nick Emmanwori, well--- even thought they aren't at premium positions or positions of short-term need-- we might be really happy in a few years about what those guys are showing.

We probably have at least one more year of being a kinda unimpressive team. I'd rather not force draft picks into positions of need. I'd rather get guys who we're giddy to have on the roster in a few years, regardless of what position they're at.

We don't need to solve everything this off season
 
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The key is hoping Ronnie Stanley gets to free agency and overpay him for the next 3-4 years so then they can look for the tackle position down the road.
While Stanley would be a massive upgrade over the crap they have now, he’s a worse version of Trent Brown. Inconsistent, injured and only really dominated in his contract year(s).

he’s mediocre and banged up way too often for a guy who will certainly get a big payday
 

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While Stanley would be a massive upgrade over the crap they have now, he’s a worse version of Trent Brown. Inconsistent, injured and only really dominated in his contract year(s).

he’s mediocre and banged up way too often for a guy who will certainly get a big payday
He’s better than any of the turnstiles they had this year though.
 

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They're all terrible, but I would lean towards https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator over PFN, it's based on consensus boards so this far out you're more likely to have "slightly" more accurate rankings (PFN tends to move towards consensus later).
Just don't use trading... I just tried it out, and accumulated about half of the 3rd round by trading down 1 pick at a time, then was offered future 1sts for thse 3rd rounders 5 times, including Chi trading their 2026 first twice!
 

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Do people here prefer Ronnie Stanley (BAL) or Alaric Jackson (LAR) or Cam Robinson (MIN)?

Bleacher Report, SBNation, and PFF all rank them thus:
  1. Stanley
  2. Robinson
  3. Jackson
Does anyone feel differently, especially when factoring in the fit to this team?
 

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Do people here prefer Ronnie Stanley (BAL) or Alaric Jackson (LAR) or Cam Robinson (MIN)?

Bleacher Report, SBNation, and PFF all rank them thus:
  1. Stanley
  2. Robinson
  3. Jackson
Does anyone feel differently, especially when factoring in the fit to this team?
Ill take any of the 3 so they don’t have to force an OL pick higher than they should be picked.