So 2 of those guys are probably guards, but also I'd expect risers out of that group (as an example, last year Guyton wasn't in most mocks and Fuaga and Latham were late 1sts. Year before that Darnell Wright was out of the 1st at this point.Seems there's a lot of depth at tackle around the late first/ early 2nd area, that might be the spot to target the OL. Tankathon has Ersery (27), Williams (31), Milum (32), Savaiinaea (35) and Conerly (to the Pats at 38) all there. McMillan just makes too much sense to me at 4.
The Pats need talent everywhere but QB. I'll defer to SMU Sox but the draft is deep at EDGE (major need), the draft is deep at DL (significant need), the draft is deep at RB (a definite need, whether Vrabel or Johnson becomes HC). The Pats don't need another young WR, they need a high-ceiling vet who can separate from DBs. The draft is not deep at LT, and it may not be Campbell's ultimate position.Hunter seems super talented but it seems like his strength is more tilted towards being a corner, and that is a rare position of strength for the Pats.
It's not a great draft for what the Pats need. I could see a trade down, especially if a QB is still there.
So much of the Pats' weakness comes from the O-Line. I don't know jack shit about any of these players, but I'd like that to be the focus in the early stages of the draft. Really wish there was a Penai Sewell in this draft but that doesn't appear to be the case.
I’d rather build via the lines out. DL or OL. That’s how you win. Carter from Penn State I would be interested in at 4.Tet at 4 seems 6-10 spots too high for consensus and i think I'm lower than consensus on him. A lot of question marks in his profile. Avg speed, no deep separation, 8% drop rate, avg route running.
Had 20% of his production in one game, first game of year. I think he goes top 15 but unless he tests really well I'm not sold on him as a top 15 talent. Poor man's Drake London or maybe a Marques Colston type is currently what I'm hearing. Should be good redzone threat but might not help you get there.
This is my instinct as well, although it sometimes can steer ya wrongI’d rather build via the lines out. DL or OL. That’s how you win.
Marques Colston would be our best wide receiver since Randy Moss.Tet at 4 seems 6-10 spots too high for consensus and i think I'm lower than consensus on him. A lot of question marks in his profile. Avg speed, no deep separation, 8% drop rate, avg route running.
Had 20% of his production in one game, first game of year. I think he goes top 15 but unless he tests really well I'm not sold on him as a top 15 talent. Poor man's Drake London or maybe a Marques Colston type is currently what I'm hearing. Should be good redzone threat but might not help you get there.
Moss ran a 4.25. McMillan is expected to be in the 4.5s. He may very well have a fine career, but a Moss comp seems crazy. Personally, I don’t want anything to do with McMillan at 4. I’d much rather go with Carter or Graham.If he’s what all the scouting reports say he can be (one said he’s got some Randy Moss in him), he’d be an instant mega boost to the offense.
Same. Build from the inside out.Moss ran a 4.25. McMillan is expected to be in the 4.5s. He may very well have a fine career, but a Moss comp seems crazy. Personally, I don’t want anything to do with McMillan at 4. I’d much rather go with Carter or Graham.
Agreed. Abdul Carter could have a better 40 than T-Mac (in which case he may not even make it to #4).I’d rather build via the lines out. DL or OL. That’s how you win. Carter from Penn State I would be interested in at 4.
It really depends on the 2 QB's which I hope go within the first 3 picks.Agreed. Abdul Carter could have a better 40 than T-Mac (in which case he may not even make it to #4).
Tet seems to be one of those players where his combine speed numbers will actually matter a lot. If he can get sub 4.5 that would be a really big dealTet at 4 seems 6-10 spots too high for consensus and i think I'm lower than consensus on him. A lot of question marks in his profile. Avg speed, no deep separation, 8% drop rate, avg route running.
Had 20% of his production in one game, first game of year. I think he goes top 15 but unless he tests really well I'm not sold on him as a top 15 talent. Poor man's Drake London or maybe a Marques Colston type is currently what I'm hearing. Should be good redzone threat but might not help you get there.
100% Can you also imagine the constant back and forth discussions of CB/WR? We've had so many failings in our coaching staff/front office. Let's make it simpler for the organization and not draft the one player who can play on offense and defense. If he's there at pick 4 and some other team can afford that type of flexibility then let's make a trade.Hunter seems super talented but it seems like his strength is more tilted towards being a corner, and that is a rare position of strength for the Pats.
It's not a great draft for what the Pats need. I could see a trade down, especially if a QB is still there.
So much of the Pats' weakness comes from the O-Line. I don't know jack shit about any of these players, but I'd like that to be the focus in the early stages of the draft. Really wish there was a Penai Sewell in this draft but that doesn't appear to be the case.
This is why I don’t mind them winning that last game. I would have preferred that they didn’t but as the weeks go on I’m not sure how much I trust them to start wheeling and dealing. Best player available at every spot, unless it’s a QB or an early round CB.It seems like a draft where there could be a lot of movement of picks because there isn't a large top-tier and teams might only be focused on 2-3 guys in. certain spot.
At 1, I was all in favor of trading out. At 4, it's quite possible that the Patriots will have their choice of what prime talent remains, which makes me think it would be wiser to stick and pick.
Moss ran a 4.25. McMillan is expected to be in the 4.5s. He may very well have a fine career, but a Moss comp seems crazy. Personally, I don’t want anything to do with McMillan at 4. I’d much rather go with Carter or Graham.
Same. Build from the inside out.
All of this 100%. Well, 90% since I sort of want Graham. But why reach for an OL or a WR when you can just pick a great DL?Agreed. Abdul Carter could have a better 40 than T-Mac (in which case he may not even make it to #4).
I'd rather draft Carter and hit the trade market for a WR (Metcalf, Samuel, Higgins, Brown etc).Moss ran a 4.25. McMillan is expected to be in the 4.5s. He may very well have a fine career, but a Moss comp seems crazy. Personally, I don’t want anything to do with McMillan at 4. I’d much rather go with Carter or Graham.
Same you can’t risk busting on a WR at pick 4 when there are better defensive players on the board.I'd rather draft Carter and hit the trade market for a WR (Metcalf, Samuel, Higgins, Brown etc).
Agreed. Carter is the guy I want at 4. I can live with Graham, though.I'd rather draft Carter and hit the trade market for a WR (Metcalf, Samuel, Higgins, Brown etc).
If they draft Carter at 4 this will remind me how it played out in 93 and 94 first round when you took a QB in Bledsoe in 93 and then took a DE/LB in McGinest in 94. Very similar parallels if that happens.Agreed. Carter is the guy I want at 4. I can live with Graham, though.
I've read good things about Carter and Watts, so I like those picks, but the state of the O-line means I think they have to take some shots there in the top 200 picks. Free agency alone is unlikely to plug all of those holes... but the problem with the OL, of course, is that it sounds like this is a weak class at that position. So I suppose I could see the logic, if the Pats are truly convinced there are not quality OL prospects available, in opting to draft other positions of need (see: all of them outside of QB) and trying to address OL elsewhere.Really like this draft. A couple of playmakers desperately needed on defense along with a pair of RB's and pass catchers in the first 5 rounds.
The key is hoping Ronnie Stanley gets to free agency and overpay him for the next 3-4 years so then they can look for the tackle position down the road.I've read good things about Carter and Watts, so I like those picks, but the state of the O-line means I think they have to take some shots there in the top 200 picks. Free agency alone is unlikely to plug all of those holes... but the problem with the OL, of course, is that it sounds like this is a weak class at that position. So I suppose I could see the logic, if the Pats are truly convinced there are not quality OL prospects available, in opting to draft other positions of need (see: all of them outside of QB) and trying to address OL elsewhere.
Yeah, this is a sound instinct.I've read good things about Carter and Watts, so I like those picks, but the state of the O-line means I think they have to take some shots there in the top 200 picks. Free agency alone is unlikely to plug all of those holes... but the problem with the OL, of course, is that it sounds like this is a weak class at that position. So I suppose I could see the logic, if the Pats are truly convinced there are not quality OL prospects available, in opting to draft other positions of need (see: all of them outside of QB) and trying to address OL elsewhere.
It's a cycle where the best olinemen have question marks next to them, including whether a bunch of them will need to kick inside in the NFL.
As a result I'm kinda prepared for the big run on them to happen starting in the mid-late teens. I don't know if this is going to happen. But I can see teams in the top 12-14 picks deciding to take a surer thing at a different position over Campbell and Banks, causing both to slide toward the back end of that group. And then starting in the mid-teens teams starting to talk themselves into one of the others because they think that particular player will really be able to play tackle. With most/all of the linemen with tackle potential then gone by the mid-late 20s.
The second round this year seems to start in the mid-teens. So I'm prepared for team to shrug and take guys with second-round question marks starting then.
Yeah.Feels like these early drafts are going to be completely uninformative as premier linemen move up and other positions move down.
While Stanley would be a massive upgrade over the crap they have now, he’s a worse version of Trent Brown. Inconsistent, injured and only really dominated in his contract year(s).The key is hoping Ronnie Stanley gets to free agency and overpay him for the next 3-4 years so then they can look for the tackle position down the road.
He’s better than any of the turnstiles they had this year though.While Stanley would be a massive upgrade over the crap they have now, he’s a worse version of Trent Brown. Inconsistent, injured and only really dominated in his contract year(s).
he’s mediocre and banged up way too often for a guy who will certainly get a big payday
Just don't use trading... I just tried it out, and accumulated about half of the 3rd round by trading down 1 pick at a time, then was offered future 1sts for thse 3rd rounders 5 times, including Chi trading their 2026 first twice!They're all terrible, but I would lean towards https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator over PFN, it's based on consensus boards so this far out you're more likely to have "slightly" more accurate rankings (PFN tends to move towards consensus later).
Ill take any of the 3 so they don’t have to force an OL pick higher than they should be picked.Do people here prefer Ronnie Stanley (BAL) or Alaric Jackson (LAR) or Cam Robinson (MIN)?
Bleacher Report, SBNation, and PFF all rank them thus:
Does anyone feel differently, especially when factoring in the fit to this team?
- Stanley
- Robinson
- Jackson