2025 Draft: Patriots Discussion
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yeah, couple other prospects in here too... Watts, Durant, Dennis-Sutton
Yeah.
A bunch of prospects here
And-- I mean-- my head says that Abdul Carter would make a bigger difference on the Pats next year...
..but Tyler Warren makes my heart sing
(I'm not sure I can help it)
A bunch of prospects here
And-- I mean-- my head says that Abdul Carter would make a bigger difference on the Pats next year...
..but Tyler Warren makes my heart sing
(I'm not sure I can help it)
Warren looks great but Abdul Carter is manhandling his matchups with a bum shoulder. Yes please.
Warren is a guy you consider if he somehow makes it to you in the 2nd, Carter is a guy you take at 4 and sleep great about it.
Same on Carter. Taking him at 4 would remind me of the 93 and 94 drafts taking Bledsoe (QB) and McGinest (DE) with the first round picks
No doubt
Like I said, my brain agrees with you
But the heart wants what the heart wants
Also picks up his teammates off the ground every play. AVPs dream.
Meanwhile Allar is making case to return to school.
Carter's definitely impressive. The question I have having not paid a lot of attention to him this year is that he definitely looks small compared to the top pro DEs. Is the consensus that he can stick there, or does he profile more as an OLB, especially if the end up with Vrabel and his more 3-4 type schemes?
Vrabel would likely play him at OLB unless they made a scheme change. He's allegedly 6'3" 251... so very similar size to Harold Landry who Vrabel had in TEN.
He reminds me of Von Miller in terms of body type and that blend of power, quickness, and bend.
I’m not saying he’ll be that level of NFL player.
Yep, another 6'3" 250ish guy. Obviously he also gets Parsons comps given school/number size
If the right guy is there, I'm actually ok with them using a day 2 pick on a RB. We've seen in the last few years a shift in the NFL, how a dynamic RB really changes an offense. I'd like to see NE get one. I don't want them to use big $$ getting one in free agency, but I'd like to snag one in the draft. Not the top priority, of course, but if the right guy is there, yes indeed.
I hope you guys get Jeter in the 7th.
Carter looks good. Is consensus that Hunter will be gone by 4?
Carter looks good. Is consensus that Hunter will be gone by 4?
Yeah I think he just played himself into a top 3 pick over Hunter.
Assuming he is gone by 4 Hunter vs. Graham becomes an interesting discussion. Would rather trade down if the value is there but I'm skeptical you will get decent value at that point.
Abdul Carter is the only guy I would draft at 4. If he’s gone I’d trade down no matter what was offered to me.
Personally, I’d accept a 2nd round pick AND top 10 pick for 4 (plus ideally a bit more) rather than draft Carter. Seems I’m in the minority on that opinion here which I can understand.
Personally, I’d accept a 2nd round pick AND top 10 pick for 4 (plus ideally a bit more) rather than draft Carter. Seems I’m in the minority on that opinion here which I can understand.
Using the JJ draft chart (I know, I know) you'd probably be looking at swapping firsts and picking up a third if, say LV is interested in him. I'd probably bite on that--lots of other good guys to choose from in the top 10, and my bias is BPA every pick.
Am I the only one who suspects the media are a lot hotter for Hunter than GMs will be?
He was awesome at times last night but I think could use some stength training and a few more pass rushing moves (although his limitations were likely injury related). I'd pick him at 4 for sure. And if it's Vrabel I think he'll come up with some fun stuff for him to do.
Draft is going to be weird at the top. Most assume the two QBs will go first, but Deion could blow that up if he decides he wants Shadeur somewhere else. And if you are Cleveland and can't get your QB for that reason, you probably want Carter but you also want to get a haul in a trade and they may mean you go too far back. Worst case scenario for Pats is probably if it goes Ward-Carter-Hunter. Could still pick Graham but I think Carter and Hunter are a cut above.
Ward/CArter/Hunter first 3 would be great for Pats, as someone will want to move up to grab Sanders, whether in tandem with Deion or alone.
Fair point. And then maybe still grab Graham or OT1/WR1 in the top 10. I was looking at their ability to get top end talent this year if Hunter and Carter are gone.
It would be but I can't imagine the NYG passing on any QB they can justify giving a first round grade to.
The bad news is that the Pats need help at basically every position but QB (quite a change from a year ago!). The good news is that this predicament opens the door for them to take the best player available, regardless of position (except QB). So Abdul Carter would be a great pick at a spot of big need.
I don't know about a lot but i definitely think they are higher on him that NFL teams are.
IMO, I think the whole WR/CB thing is being touted as a big positive by the media and I think it might actually be a slight negative to teams
Kiper has him first. All provisos aside, he still seems plugged in with at least some FOs and does not benefit from being way off on his projections (even if he sometimes still is, like on Levis). I don't think we'll see a big slide on Hunter, but we'll hear a few FOs don't view him as CB1.
This is a guy who I've picked up in a lot of my mock drafts, but I'm pretty sure I won't be targeting him (nor want the Pats to target him) in the future:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43361220/lsu-wr-kyren-lacy-facing-charges-stemming-fatal-car-crash
It seems like the media mocks all have him pegged top 2-3. I wouldn’t be surprised if he lasts until 5. Could easily see Ward, Abdul Carter, Shadeur and Mason Graham going before him
So, not majorly overrating him but overrating him a bit
Is Egbuka going to be there in R2? Seems like a really solid player. Not a WR1, but will.do his part.
I have seen him mostly at the end of Round 1 but who knows.
he seems like the genuine article of what the Patriots thought they were drafting in Polk
Just don't be surprised at his 40 time. Man he looked slow, which isn't to say he didn't have a great game against NFL prospect tackles.
I get why folks want to take BPA at 4, but there are so many damn holes. This roster needs quantity and quality. One awesome CB or WR or even an edge will have nice impact, but a trade down for 2-3 contributors is more what this roster needs imo.
So remember, we'll have a lot fewer holes at time of draft since we'll have spent probably $100M+ in free agency. But one thing is.. one bluechip if you get him is worth more than 2 starters. So the question is often... is this guy a true Blue chip. It's one reason I would prefer taking Carter for example over Banks or Campbell. I think Carter is a potential blue chip, DPOY candidate type edge rusher. I think Banks and Campbell are a starting T and very good G respectively.
So, if the draft goes Ward/Sanders/Carter what are you doing at 4? Graham? Hunter? Trade?
That's defensible.
Maybe if FA goes well, there won't be as much to complain about. Being able to go BPA in the first round would be nice.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that he's going to slide to 15 or anything like that. I think I'm just reacting to all the nudniks running mocks that have him going ahead/between/immediately behind QB1 and QB2, regardless of what that particular team might need because Two Way Player!
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There are 20-25 edges who will be in top 150 consideration. It’s a good class depth wise. Carter might be the only truly elite one but a bunch of these guys should be average to above average starters.
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This is Mike Green 3-4 OLB. Would be stoked with him in the second.
In particular this class has - bunch of quality 3-4 OLB types.
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There are 20-25 edges who will be in top 150 consideration. It’s a good class depth wise. Carter might be the only truly elite one but a bunch of these guys should be average to above average starters.
I’m probably not embedding this right…
This is Mike Green 3-4 OLB. Would be stoked with him in the second.
In particular this class has - bunch of quality 3-4 OLB types.
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Pulling from the other thread
I know we're doing this kinda tongue-in-cheek, but I can't help but take the exercise literally (if not too seriously)
There's a big drop-off in talent from #4 to #12 in this draft. Plus, Jerry likes to imagine his team as a contender-- probably easier to get picks out of him than good veteran players, especially if we kick them off into the future and give him the face-saving cover of sending some lower picks back. He can tell himself the Cowboys are going to be so good and the Pats so bad that there won't be as much of a gap in their eventual value. And I'm willing to accept delayed gratification if it gets us more value.
- Pats 4th pick to Dallas for 12th & 44th this year
- 2026: Dallas #3 for Patriots #5
- 2027: Dallas #2 for Patriots #4
- 2028: Dallas #1 for Patriots #3
This year with #12 I take Josh Simmons from Ohio State and solve either our LT or RT situation for hopefully a good, long time
At #38 and #44 I likely take whoever was projected to go late in the first and then surprisingly slid 10-15 spots. So... Walter Nolen? Benjamin Morrison? Tyler Booker? No way to know in advance, but someone(s) good is going to slide...
I have seen it floating around loosely on Twitter but this seems to be the 2nd AJ Brown mental breakdown on Hurts/coaching staff in the past month.
I assume we would give up our pick at the top of the 2nd round for him and his contract. Philly would want more?
Would we still do it if we get Tee Higgins? Would we be more desperate to do it if we don’t get Tee?
I assume we would give up our pick at the top of the 2nd round for him and his contract. Philly would want more?
Would we still do it if we get Tee Higgins? Would we be more desperate to do it if we don’t get Tee?
I think it’s unlikely AJ Brown is traded, the finances of it make it unlikely but in the event Philly did move him, I’d think they could get a mid/late 1st rounder for him. It’s not a good WR group at the top (especially for a prototype X) and plenty of playoff or borderline playoff teams would make that deal. The Chargers, for example. Maybe Pittsburgh (a bit more aggressive than they usually are but the need is there).
Regardless, I don’t think the Pats 2nd rounder would get it done on its own and I don’t think they’d have any interest if they somehow landed Higgins.