2025 Draft: Patriots Discussion

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In both those cases the trading teams had draft capital to burn. The Texans had all the Watson draft picks and the Dolphins had the capital from the Trey Lance trade. A little easier to move around for a non-QB when you've got a mountain of draft picks to work with.
 

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In both those cases the trading teams had draft capital to burn. The Texans had all the Watson draft picks and the Dolphins had the capital from the Trey Lance trade. A little easier to move around for a non-QB when you've got a mountain of draft picks to work with.
Sure, I'm not saying a trade is likely but non QB trade ups do happen occasionally.

If the Pats are at 3 or 4, Jax could very well entertain a scenario similar to Miami.
 
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You can only put those odds together if the particular hungry team happens to be #3 and then #4, right?

Yes

I mean, this is all more of a thought exercise than an actual prediction of what might happen, but if those two teams are not at #3 and #4 then the two probabilities for trading down still exist independent of each other
 

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Is arm length really the only reason people want to move Campbell and Banks inside to guard? Campbell is still only a sophomore, so it feels like he has a ton of upside potential, and Banks apparently held his own really well against a Michigan line with tons of NFL talent (and did the same the year prior against a stout Alabama line).
 

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Is arm length really the only reason people want to move Campbell and Banks inside to guard? Campbell is still only a sophomore, so it feels like he has a ton of upside potential, and Banks apparently held his own really well against a Michigan line with tons of NFL talent (and did the same the year prior against a stout Alabama line).
I think most people have Banks as a tackle and while he did struggle against GA with length I think the people who see him at guard had more concern with flexibility and feet. Campbell had length issues and general size issues, for anchor. Below I'll link the BR scouting board which has Brandon Thorn's writeups on OL. He has Campbell as a guard, and Banks as OT2.

View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10144104-2025-nfl-draft-big-board-br-nfl-scouting-depts-latest-top-100-player-rankings
 

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Is arm length really the only reason people want to move Campbell and Banks inside to guard? Campbell is still only a sophomore, so it feels like he has a ton of upside potential, and Banks apparently held his own really well against a Michigan line with tons of NFL talent (and did the same the year prior against a stout Alabama line).
Let me preface this by saying that I don't know the difference in arm length in helping to determine good offensive tackle play and bad other than when they have to help their quarterback up repeatedly but I do know Michigan football. And while the Michigan DLine was excellent this year it wasn't their ends that were great it was their interior tackles. I doubt Banks really ever faced either Graham or Grant except maybe on a stunt. He did his job in that game but it was the interior of the Texas line that had to do the heavy lifting.
 
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Is arm length really the only reason people want to move Campbell and Banks inside to guard? Campbell is still only a sophomore, so it feels like he has a ton of upside potential, and Banks apparently held his own really well against a Michigan line with tons of NFL talent (and did the same the year prior against a stout Alabama line).
I think Campbell’s upside is greater at guard because his flaws are less worrisome inside. His arm length is a big part of that. He’s likely to struggle against high end edge rushers in the pros. He doesn’t really play with the meanness or strength you’d like to see and that’s exacerbated by the short arms.

I think he can be a great guard and a decent tackle. I’m not touching him in the top 10 as a LT though. In today’s NFL a 1st round tackle has to have elite pass pro potential and I just don’t see it from Campbell.
 

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After reviewing the last couple of drafts, it's fascinating to see how this year's talent stacks up against prior years. Overall the top-tier talent in this draft class is notably weak. It lacks the kind of special players that teams typically are desperate to trade up for. From a pure draft prospect perspective - ignoring how players have performed in the NFL - I would much rather have a top 6 or 7 pick from either of the last two drafts than the #1 overall this year.

Take quarterbacks, for example. Michael Penix, who went #8 last year, might be the first QB you'd rank below this year’s top options. At wide receiver, the three top-10 picks from last year’s draft would likely rank ahead of any WR in this class. On the offensive line, Joe Alt—who went #5 last year—would probably be the consensus #1 pick if he were part of this draft.

The only position groups where this year's class compares favorably in terms of top-end talent are cornerback (CB) and defensive line (DL). However, even in these areas, it falls short of producing true generational types like Myles Garrett or Aidan Hutchinson. Looking back at 2022, guys like Derek Stingley and Sauce Gardner went #3 and #4 respectively, and I wouldn’t rank anyone in this year’s class at their level as prospects.

The one player who seems to justify a #1 overall pick this year is Travis Hunter, mainly because of his potential to make an impact on both sides of the ball. However, I think the value of his two-way ability is being overvalued. As a pure CB or WR, he might not even be the best at his position in this draft class and he will need to focus on one side and be mostly a part-time guy on the other side.

Given the lack of elite top-end talent, I firmly believe the best move is to secure the #1 pick and trade down, even if the return is historically low for a top selection. The Patriots need to leave this draft with at least 3–4 starter-quality players and at least one cornerstone building block for the future. Trading down gives them the best chance to achieve that.

2023 2024
1. QB, Bryce Young 1. QB, Caleb Williams
2. QB, CJ Stroud 2. QB, Jayden McDaniels
3. Edge, Will Anderson 3. QB, Drake Maye
4. QB, Anthony Richardson 4. WR, Marvin Harrison
5. CB, Devon Witherspoon 5. OT, Joe Alt
6. OL, Paris Johnson 6. WR, Malik Nabers
7. Edge, Tyree Wilson 7. OT, JC Latham
8. RB, Bijan Robinson 8. QB, Michael Penix
9. DT, Jalen Carter 9. WR, Rome Odunze
10. OT, Darnell Wright 10. QB, JJ McCarthy
11. OT, Peter Skoronski 11. OT, Olu Fashanu
12. RB, Jahmyr Gibbs 12. QB, Bo Nix
13. Edge, Lukas Van Ness 13. TE, Brock Bowers
14. OT, Broderick Jones 14. OL, Taliese Fuaga
15. Edge, Will McDonald 15. Edge, Laiatu Latu
 

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After reviewing the last couple of drafts, it's fascinating to see how this year's talent stacks up against prior years. Overall the top-tier talent in this draft class is notably weak. It lacks the kind of special players that teams typically are desperate to trade up for. From a pure draft prospect perspective - ignoring how players have performed in the NFL - I would much rather have a top 6 or 7 pick from either of the last two drafts than the #1 overall this year.

Take quarterbacks, for example. Michael Penix, who went #8 last year, might be the first QB you'd rank below this year’s top options. At wide receiver, the three top-10 picks from last year’s draft would likely rank ahead of any WR in this class. On the offensive line, Joe Alt—who went #5 last year—would probably be the consensus #1 pick if he were part of this draft.

The only position groups where this year's class compares favorably in terms of top-end talent are cornerback (CB) and defensive line (DL). However, even in these areas, it falls short of producing true generational types like Myles Garrett or Aidan Hutchinson. Looking back at 2022, guys like Derek Stingley and Sauce Gardner went #3 and #4 respectively, and I wouldn’t rank anyone in this year’s class at their level as prospects.

The one player who seems to justify a #1 overall pick this year is Travis Hunter, mainly because of his potential to make an impact on both sides of the ball. However, I think the value of his two-way ability is being overvalued. As a pure CB or WR, he might not even be the best at his position in this draft class and he will need to focus on one side and be mostly a part-time guy on the other side.

Given the lack of elite top-end talent, I firmly believe the best move is to secure the #1 pick and trade down, even if the return is historically low for a top selection. The Patriots need to leave this draft with at least 3–4 starter-quality players and at least one cornerstone building block for the future. Trading down gives them the best chance to achieve that.

2023 2024
1. QB, Bryce Young 1. QB, Caleb Williams
2. QB, CJ Stroud 2. QB, Jayden McDaniels
3. Edge, Will Anderson 3. QB, Drake Maye
4. QB, Anthony Richardson 4. WR, Marvin Harrison
5. CB, Devon Witherspoon 5. OT, Joe Alt
6. OL, Paris Johnson 6. WR, Malik Nabers
7. Edge, Tyree Wilson 7. OT, JC Latham
8. RB, Bijan Robinson 8. QB, Michael Penix
9. DT, Jalen Carter 9. WR, Rome Odunze
10. OT, Darnell Wright 10. QB, JJ McCarthy
11. OT, Peter Skoronski 11. OT, Olu Fashanu
12. RB, Jahmyr Gibbs 12. QB, Bo Nix
13. Edge, Lukas Van Ness 13. TE, Brock Bowers
14. OT, Broderick Jones 14. OL, Taliese Fuaga
15. Edge, Will McDonald 15. Edge, Laiatu Latu
I’m no SMU but I think Hunter, Carter, Johnson, and Graham are all very good talents who have Pro Bowl potential. Carter is especially intriguing to me. The guy has 11 sacks and 22 TFL this year. He’s everywhere I could see a Parsons-lite impact from him.
 

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After reviewing the last couple of drafts, it's fascinating to see how this year's talent stacks up against prior years. Overall the top-tier talent in this draft class is notably weak. It lacks the kind of special players that teams typically are desperate to trade up for. From a pure draft prospect perspective - ignoring how players have performed in the NFL - I would much rather have a top 6 or 7 pick from either of the last two drafts than the #1 overall this year.

Take quarterbacks, for example. Michael Penix, who went #8 last year, might be the first QB you'd rank below this year’s top options. At wide receiver, the three top-10 picks from last year’s draft would likely rank ahead of any WR in this class. On the offensive line, Joe Alt—who went #5 last year—would probably be the consensus #1 pick if he were part of this draft.
PFF has the 2 QBs this year rated higher than they rated Young/Stroud a few years ago.
 

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I think this is not a very good draft, but... I also think it's getting oversold as a BAD draft because of 2 things...
1. Last year was a GREAT draft, 3 QBs who in most years would be no doubt #1s, 3 elite WRs, an outlier great OT class...
2. The weakest spots this year are the same 3 top positions that were great last year.
 

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Signing someone like Stanley lets you focus improving either the WR position or Pass rush in the draft hopefully via a trade down which will help acquire more draft capital. He would be a day one target for me in free agency if he gets there and I’m over paying for him to solve that position in the short term.
Per Tankathon, these are the Pats' current picks: 1, 36, 67, 79, 103, 138, 219, 220, 238.

That's 9 picks. I'm hoping to see a larger number. Per Baseball Jones above, PFN's mock draft simulator has the Giants offering NE #4, #35, #66, #102, and a 2026 2nd rounder for the #1 pick. That would mean they would have 4, 35, 36, 66, 67, 79, 102, 103, 138, 219, 220, 238 --- that's 12 picks next year (to say nothing of the additional 1st rounder next year). It would also give them the first two picks on day 3 of the draft, which might be a good time to leverage one of those into additional day 3 picks, maybe something like a 5th and two 6ths.
If the Pats could pull off these two big moves -- signing a stud LT in free agency and trading down from 1/1 to gain a few extra picks, I think they would be in great shape to make meaningful improvements to next year's team.

These would be my prime areas of focus in those 8 (!) top 103 picks:
  • WR -- a true X, not another slot.
  • Edge
  • OLine
  • DLine -- both edge and DT
  • TE
  • LB
  • CB
 

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If the Pats could pull off these two big moves -- signing a stud LT in free agency and trading down from 1/1 to gain a few extra picks, I think they would be in great shape to make meaningful improvements to next year's team.

These would be my prime areas of focus in those 8 (!) top 103 picks:
  • WR -- a true X, not another slot.
  • Edge
  • OLine
  • DLine -- both edge and DT
  • TE
  • LB
  • CB
I think LB should be higher on the list than TE probably even higher than that.
 

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I think LB should be higher on the list than TE probably even higher than that.
Sorry, I was not intending the bullets as a sense of priority, mainly because I think if there is a terrific player at any of those 8+ positions when the drafts rolls around to NE, they should take him regardless of position. So if they use those 8+ picks for good players from that cluster of positions, it doesn’t matter to me which order.
 

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Sorry, I was not intending the bullets as a sense of priority, mainly because I think if there is a terrific player at any of those 8+ positions when the drafts rolls around to NE, they should take him regardless of position. So if they use those 8+ picks for good players from that cluster of positions, it doesn’t matter to me which order.

The best non-QB-or-RB available. Got it.
 

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Watching Ohio State made me lust for playmakers like Smith, Egbuka and Henderson. Gotta beef up the line, but man do we need some playmakers.
Smith is almost a lock to be a top 5 pick in 2027. Sadly he'll be the best WR prospect the next two years before he's draft eligible. Egbuka probably needs to test well to get drafted in back end of 1st rd this year. Solid but unspectacular production.
 

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They made some good catches, but it also seemed like Oregon just wasn’t playing defense on some of those plays.
 

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Watching Ohio State made me lust for playmakers like Smith, Egbuka and Henderson. Gotta beef up the line, but man do we need some playmakers.
Golden from Texas was the guy I was watching. Would love to nab him early 2nd, if available. Though maybe he’s a bit too much like Higgins if you nab him…
 

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I traded down in the first and then back into the first with both seconds. Picked up 2026 Giants 2 in the process.

Let's get some fucking tackles.
 

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Any future picks for dealing the #1?
I was given the standard offer from CLE, their 1st, 2nd, 3rd round pick this year + 2nd next year. Then from 3, I traded down again to 8, plus more picks.

Then I traded up a few times to grab players I really like (Ayomanor, Conerly Jr.)

To add substance to the discussion, I love this draft because you can have Will Johnson opposite Gonzo, potentially an elite pairing.

Milum could slot in at LG.

Campbell (LB) helps solidify our LB corps.

Kenneth Grant has projection, & was alongside Mason Graham at Michigan. He could step in for Barmore.

Ayomanor is an X absolutely worth going for at this stage in the draft (my 2nd favourite X receiver in this draft).

Conerly Jr. could slot in at LT.

Ezeiruaku provides another body at edge, & this pick rounds out help on all 3 levels of defence.

Cornelius can be a depth T, or maybe even start at RT? EDIT: this could give us:
Conerly Jr./Milum/Strange/Onwenu/X across the line. 3 rookies? A lot, but we are desperate.

Don't know much about the last 2 picks, went BPA there. IRL, there's no way Conerly Jr. or Ayomanor drop that far, as things stand now.
 

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What do you folks think about Cam Skattebo being drafted by the Pats?
I love watching him and I think he'd be a fan favorite and really productive player here. He's just a hard-nosed player. When his new coach challenged him to get leaner and faster to make it to the NFL, he responded in spades with a terrific year in part due to the extra speed. He also worked on being more of a team player so teammates wanted to block for him. When I think about rebuilding the Pats, he's the type of player I'd want more of on the team. As much as we have huge, gaping needs all over our roster, we need quality players to build a winning and tough culture around. I would love if we used a pick in the 3rd or 4th on him vs. reaching for needs on players who may be less talented overall (if that's the scenario).
 

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This may be a bit of an overreaction to the Bowl games, but I'm intrigued by the prospects slotted for the top of the first round who are so athletic/good that they could play multiple roles on one side of the ball or the other

  • Abdul Cater looks like he could Edge, mLB or wLB in the pros.
  • Similar story with Jalon Walker.
  • Malaki Starks looks like he could line up as a CB#2, in any safety role, or as a wLB.
  • Tyler Warren looks like he could play as a yTE, xWR, HB, or extra lineman.

Too many starters on our current roster only do more or less one thing (at most) well. Having more players who can be schemed in a bunch of ways would make our offense and defense less predictable, and more dangerous. Would be cool to get someone else in that mold in the first round.
 

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This may be a bit of an overreaction to the Bowl games, but I'm intrigued by the prospects slotted for the top of the first round who are so athletic/good that they could play multiple roles on one side of the ball or the other

  • Abdul Cater looks like he could Edge, mLB or wLB in the pros.
  • Similar story with Jalon Walker.
  • Malaki Starks looks like he could line up as a CB#2, in any safety role, or as a wLB.
  • Tyler Warren looks like he could play as a yTE, xWR, HB, or extra lineman.

Too many starters on our current roster only do more or less one thing (at most) well. Having more players who can be schemed in a bunch of ways would make our offense and defense less predictable, and more dangerous. Would be cool to get someone else in that mold in the first round.
I love the idea of Warren as that guy who can do multiple things. I do wonder how explosive athletically he is, in the NFL elite sense. Combine testing will be interesting with him.
 
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I traded down in the first and then back into the first with both seconds. Picked up 2026 Giants 2 in the process.

Let's get some fucking tackles.
I can never seem to figure out how to screen-cap and paste like you have here. Any advice for a non-tech-y middle-aged dad? Meanwhile...this is my trade-down-tastic draft:

13. Luther Burden, WR Missouri
36. Kenneth Grant, DT Michigan
40. J.T. Tuimoloau, EDGE Ohio State
49. Jack Sawyer, EDGE Ohio State
54. Josh Conerly Jr., OT Oregon
55. Maxwell Hairston, CB Kentucky
68. Andrew Mukuba, S Texas
71. Jayden Higgins, WR Iowa State
78. Danny Stutsman, LB Oklahoma
95. Earnest Greene III, OT Georgia
98. Ollie Gordon II, RB Oklahoma State

2026 CHI 2nd
2026 CLE 2nd
2026 LAC 2nd
2026 ATL 3rd
2026 KC 4th
2026 DET 5th

Thoughts?
 

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I can never seem to figure out how to screen-cap and paste like you have here. Any advice for a non-tech-y middle-aged dad? Meanwhile...this is my trade-down-tastic draft:

13. Luther Burden, WR Missouri
36. Kenneth Grant, DT Michigan
40. J.T. Tuimoloau, EDGE Ohio State
49. Jack Sawyer, EDGE Ohio State
54. Josh Conerly Jr., OT Oregon
55. Maxwell Hairston, CB Kentucky
68. Andrew Mukuba, S Texas
71. Jayden Higgins, WR Iowa State
78. Danny Stutsman, LB Oklahoma
95. Earnest Greene III, OT Georgia
98. Ollie Gordon II, RB Oklahoma State

2026 CHI 2nd
2026 CLE 2nd
2026 LAC 2nd
2026 ATL 3rd
2026 KC 4th
2026 DET 5th

Thoughts?
If you are on windows search for "snipping tool" it's standard with windows and a simple way to clip stuff to save or copy.
 

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Hey, for those who want to follow along with me this year:

My big board. I have done 22 OL so far. Going to shift gear to edge and IDL next. This is my grading scale. I don't do round grades but usually 6.5-6.99 players are top 100 guys. Once you get to 6.49 it's day 3 typically. It isn't always quite that neat. For the high picks: 8.25+ is a top 10 grade, 7.99 and 7.75s are mid-firsts to early seconds. 7.0-7.5 are typically late firsts or early to mid seconds. 6.5-6.99 are mid to late seconds to anywhere in the third round. I see guys in tiers and don't care as much about individual ranking. I rank by assuming their best scheme fit. So if you see a zone-only guy I have as a 7.0, don't assume that if your team runs gap-power or duo he is a 7.0 in your system :).
 

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Hey, for those who want to follow along with me this year:

My big board. I have done 22 OL so far. Going to shift gear to edge and IDL next. This is my grading scale. I don't do round grades but usually 6.5-6.99 players are top 100 guys. Once you get to 6.49 it's day 3 typically. It isn't always quite that neat. For the high picks: 8.25+ is a top 10 grade, 7.99 and 7.75s are mid-firsts to early seconds. 7.0-7.5 are typically late firsts or early to mid seconds. 6.5-6.99 are mid to late seconds to anywhere in the third round. I see guys in tiers and don't care as much about individual ranking. I rank by assuming their best scheme fit. So if you see a zone-only guy I have as a 7.0, don't assume that if your team runs gap-power or duo he is a 7.0 in your system :).
Love this, thanks for sharing! Out of curiosity, would you be able to assign a grade to what the Pats rolled out at LT and RT this year? Like, if there was a generic LT and generic RT that represented the play of those positions (across different players of course) this year, where would they fall? I know it's apples and oranges, but it'd be reassuring to know that we could be replacing a 5.75 with a 7.25 or something along those lines.
 

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Hey, for those who want to follow along with me this year:

My big board. I have done 22 OL so far. Going to shift gear to edge and IDL next. This is my grading scale. I don't do round grades but usually 6.5-6.99 players are top 100 guys. Once you get to 6.49 it's day 3 typically. It isn't always quite that neat. For the high picks: 8.25+ is a top 10 grade, 7.99 and 7.75s are mid-firsts to early seconds. 7.0-7.5 are typically late firsts or early to mid seconds. 6.5-6.99 are mid to late seconds to anywhere in the third round. I see guys in tiers and don't care as much about individual ranking. I rank by assuming their best scheme fit. So if you see a zone-only guy I have as a 7.0, don't assume that if your team runs gap-power or duo he is a 7.0 in your system :).
Excited.... can't wait for the Carter grade, he's quickly becoming my #1 guy for the #4 slot.
 

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Carter played High School ball at my brother's alma mater, La Salle, in Philly. I then saw him live in person dismantle my ponies at Beaver stadium last month.

Carter caught my eye last year when I was evaluating offensive tackles. I noticed this lightning bolt with excellent get-off and fantastic bend. I was intrigued. I was so excited when he played full time on the edge this year. He's gotten better as the season has gone on. Really excited to deep dive on him.
 
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Excited.... can't wait for the Carter grade, he's quickly becoming my #1 guy for the #4 slot.
Carter or Graham are really the only guys who make sense at 4. I’d be happy with either. Fixing WR and OT will have to wait til 2026. Presumably another top 10 pick will be incoming
 

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5. Mason Graham DL Michigan
36. Josh Conley Jr. OT Orgeon
38. Tyler Booker IOL Alabama
69. L.T. Overton Edge Alabama
77. Xavier Watts S Notre Dame
105. Matthew Golden WR Texas
143. Dorian Strong, CB VT
217. Ozzy Trapilo OT BC
220. Oscar Delp TE Georgia
241. Trevor Etienne RB Georgia

Tried to address needs (there are a lot of them sadly) based on quick google searches of profiles and what not but I have no real idea on any of these guys outside of Graham. Both lines were atrocious particularly the OL, safety play was bad all year, CB wasn't good outside of Gonzo (who was awesome), WR I hope we mainly address through FA but still took a shot here, same with TE and RB.