2025 College Football - General Thread

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Leaving the CPF thread to carry on, am starting a general discussion thread for this year.

The early signing period for the 2025 season has come and gone. The National Signing Day is Wednesday, February 5.

In the meantime, this...

As many of you may know, Penn State's Beaver Stadium is in the early stages of a $800M renovation. Here is one of the major muscle movements: the Press Box demolition.

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Stockton didn't look better to me, but I'm no scout. I just assumed Miami is going to be giving a Cam Ward-sized bag to Beck and UGA didn't care to match.
 

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Stockton didn't look better to me, but I'm no scout. I just assumed Miami is going to be giving a Cam Ward-sized bag to Beck and UGA didn't care to match.
They have the 12th ranked QB incoming freshman in the country in Ryan Montgomery coming in. (He also played basketball in HS and has a brother lineman at Ohio State).
 

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They have the 12th ranked QB incoming freshman in the country in Ryan Montgomery coming in. (He also played basketball in HS and has a brother lineman at Ohio State).
12th ranked incoming freshman QB sounds like a pretty huge downgrade in 2025. Mel Kiper has Beck 5th in his QB rankings for the NFL draft.
 

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I wonder how much $$ Miami is paying him that would convince him to transfer. It's gotta be huge dollars.
 

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I wonder how much $$ Miami is paying him that would convince him to transfer. It's gotta be huge dollars.
Knowing what I know from a Miami alum at my gym who has season tickets for the Canes and flies down a lot for games said they paid Cam Ward 1.5-2 million range. It has to be around that or more.
 

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I wonder how much $$ Miami is paying him that would convince him to transfer. It's gotta be huge dollars.
Beck's girlfriend (and her twin sister) played hoops at the U and have millions of social media followers. I assume they still live in Miami.

GF, a huge payday and UGA likely not guaranteeing him QB1 seems to have been enough for him to transfer.
 

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Beck's girlfriend (and her twin sister) played hoops at the U and have millions of social media followers. I assume they still live in Miami.

GF, a huge payday and UGA likely not guaranteeing him QB1 seems to have been enough for him to transfer.
I am embarassed that I knew this. He is dating one of the Cavinder twins, who were among the first college athletes to exceed $1 million in NIL money. I think they are up over $2 million now.
 

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In case anyone is betting on James Franklin being canned, here are the buyout implications:

This is an old article, so I've extrapolated to 2025.

[In 2020] Franklin and Penn State agreed to a new 10-year contract worth a guaranteed $70 million that includes multiple incentive clauses. Franklin will make an additional $1.5 million annually in incentives and can make up to $1 million per year in performance bonuses. The contract also makes it costly for Penn State to fire Franklin for performance reasons.

According to the buyout terms, Penn State would owe Franklin $8 million (his guaranteed salary plus a $1 million loan for life insurance) times the number of remaining years on the contract if it terminates him without cause.

Penn State would owe James Franklin [$40-$45 million to terminate him without cause in 2025 (variable is based on when in 2025 the firing occured], while Franklin would owe the university $2 million to leave for another job the same year, according to the buyout terms of his new contract.

The term sheet Penn State released does not include whether those numbers can be mitigated or negotiated.

Conversely, if Franklin leaves for the NFL or another college coaching position, he would owe Penn State these annual buyout totals:

  • 2026-30: $1 million
  • 2031: No buyout
The termination-with-cause terms are the same that Franklin has in his current contract, which began in 2020. Franklin's buyout for taking another job was $4 million [in 2021], with $1 million annual reductions until there was no buyout in 2025.
 
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, something that nowadays wouldn't happen (no booth reviews, etc., then).
Oh you have so much faith.

There was a D1 game this year where they missed TWO DOWNS during the same series. School punted on 2nd down thinking it was 4th. This was with replay, live TV, a kid writing the down/distance on a piece of paper every play, the whole nine yards.
 

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Can't find that one (would love to read about it); but I did find one in 2021 where they messed up (Penn State vs Auburn). Shocked it's still occurring.
 

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Can't find that one (would love to read about it); but I did find one in 2021 where they messed up (Penn State vs Auburn). Shocked it's still occurring.
The guy on the line of scrimmage (who is "most" in charge of keeping the downs since he's with the down box) for that game is working the Chiefs game Saturday. Didn't hurt his career a bit.

I've stated before that conferences tend to be more concerned with how officials look than how they perform. The reason is that a bad crew can get away with a lot if they LOOK like they know what they are doing.

Another example: In one of the power 4 leagues this season, EVERY SINGLE crew in the conference misenforced at least one penalty. By misenforced, I mean they did something like mark a 5 yard penalty 6 yards. Or marked a penalty from the spot of the foul instead of the previous spot. But because they did it smoothly, nobody including the coaches even noticed until they looked at film days later

EDIT: It happens in the NFL too
 
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Can't find that one (would love to read about it); but I did find one in 2021 where they messed up (Penn State vs Auburn). Shocked it's still occurring.
One more anecdote: an ACC crew at Syracuse screwed up the downs the very same week as this game. I first read about it on Sosh! Didn't make the news.
 

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Sports with a lot less rules (soccer, the one I officiate) aren't void of screwups either. Football, it seems almost inevitable.
 

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ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said Sunday that the league will have conversations among coaches and athletic directors about whether to make changes to its conference championship game format.

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Phillips said the ACC could consider giving its regular-season champion a bye, and have the teams that finish second or third in the league standings play in the ACC championship game.

He said another possibility is having the top 4 teams play on the final weekend of the regular season: first place versus fourth place, and second place vs. third place, with the winners playing the following weekend in the ACC championship game.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43483852/acc-weigh-changes-title-game-commissioner-says

The first idea makes so little sense I suspect the writer misunderstood -- surely the idea is to have 2 vs 3 during the final week of the regular season with the winner playing 1 in the championship. If that's the case, I wouldn't necessarily hate either idea except for the fact it's going to ruin rivalry week.
 

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Penn State has landed a monumental coaching hire - replacing Tom Allen - who left after one year at PSU to take the DC at Clemson - with tOSU DC Jim Knowles, who just guided them to a national championship with arguably the best defense the country. Reported at $3.2M
 

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To be sure, tOSU's returning defensive unit is going to be a challenge - losing 8 of 11 starters. But there was likely a charm to taking over Penn State's returning unit - despite losing likely #1 pick Abdul Carter - which is still positioned to be a top 5 defense.
 

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The Boston College Eagles and UConn Huskies have scheduled a four game, home-and-home football series beginning in 2025, both schools announced Monday.

In the first game of the series, Boston College will host UConn at Alumni Stadium in Chestnut Hill, Mass., on October 18, 2025. The Eagles will also host the Huskies in Chestnut Hill five seasons later on September 14, 2030.

Boston College will travel to take on UConn twice at Pratt & Whitney Stadium at Rentschler Field in East Hartford, Conn., with the first game set for October 20, 2029. The Huskies will host the Eagles a second time two seasons later on August 30, 2031.
https://fbschedules.com/boston-college-uconn-schedule-four-game-football-series-beginning-in-2025/
 

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Looking at Future FBS Schedules, would they actually be playing Alabama or Ohio State in the relatively tiny Alumni Stadium? Good for whoever at BC sold those schools on playing on campus versus Gillette.
 

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Looking at Future FBS Schedules, would they actually be playing Alabama or Ohio State in the relatively tiny Alumni Stadium? Good for whoever at BC sold those schools on playing on campus versus Gillette.
God, I hope Alumni is demolished and replaced with a bigger and better stadium by 2036.
 

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Looking at Future FBS Schedules, would they actually be playing Alabama or Ohio State in the relatively tiny Alumni Stadium? Good for whoever at BC sold those schools on playing on campus versus Gillette.
If it ever even happens. The series was originally scheduled for 2020/2021 and has been delayed at least three times.
 

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Seems Penn State is becoming a TE factory.

In the NFL:
Mike Gisecki
Theo Johnson
Brenton Strange
Pat Freiermuth

Here comes Tyler Warren (I doubt it, but some analysts are slotting him as the #1 pick).

Right behind him comes true Freshman Luke Reynolds - who show a very high ceiling this past year (was a 5-* and #1 TE in the country coming in)
RS Freshman Andrew Rappleyea (#11 TE in the country when he came in out of Milton Academy in MA)

And now, committed 2025 class TE Andrew Olesh - the #1 rated TE in the country - just received his 5th *.
 

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Seems Penn State is becoming a TE factory.

In the NFL:
Mike Gisecki
Theo Johnson
Brenton Strange
Pat Freiermuth

Here comes Tyler Warren (I doubt it, but some analysts are slotting him as the #1 pick).

Right behind him comes true Freshman Luke Reynolds - who show a very high ceiling this past year (was a 5-* and #1 TE in the country coming in)
RS Freshman Andrew Rappleyea (#11 TE in the country when he came in out of Milton Academy in MA)

And now, committed 2025 class TE Andrew Olesh - the #1 rated TE in the country - just received his 5th *.
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@Ale Xander No doubt.

I debated how far back to go and felt there was just too much of a gap between the end of Brady's NFL career (2007) and the start of Mike Gisecki's (2018) to consider the pipeline to have been established. But since Gisecki, a solid string of Frierermuth (2021), Strange (2023), Johnson (2024), and [soon] Warren is impressive. And those in line look quite capable of continuing that trend.

I guess I could have squeezed in Jesse James (drafted 2015). Interesting note on his NFL career: in 104 games, he did not lose a single fumble.

Can we include HoFer Ted Kwalik?
 
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@Ale Xander No doubt.

I debated how far back to go and felt there was just too much of a gap between the end of Brady's NFL career (2007) and the start of Mike Gisecki's (2018) to consider the pipeline to have been established. But since Gisecki, a solid string of Frierermuth (2021), Strange (2023), Johnson (2024), and [soon] Warren is impressive. And those in line look quite capable of continuing that trend.

I guess I could have squeezed in Jesse James (drafted 2015). Interesting note on his NFL career: in 104 games, he did not lose a single fumble.

Can we include HoFer Ted Kwalik?
Yep but he didn't survive the ground against the Pats in 2017, good enough for me! One of the few times I actually feared for my own safety in an opposing team's stadium.
 

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God, I hope Alumni is demolished and replaced with a bigger and better stadium by 2036.
Not sure if this is serious but bigger is never happening (and shoudnt). 45-50k seats is perfect for an on campus facility and neighbors will never allow anything more. They barely got the extra seats last time.

I am all for upgrades but size is perfect.
 

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Here's a time-lapse video of the current state of the 3-year revitalization project for Beaver Stadium at Penn State.

This is really cool. A recent disclosure is that 7,500 temporary seats will be placed on top of the new suites. That should bring seated capacity to somewhere around 114,000.

View: https://youtu.be/1dtcA6Mvfps?si=HBL-Ruq2nTnfYlfn

In May 2024, the Penn State Board of Trustees approved investing in the renovation of Beaver Stadium. The approved renovations will enable year-round use of Beaver Stadium, further driving economic growth and development in the surrounding region.

During the Beaver Stadium Revitalization, there will be 800-1,000 unique tradespeople working on the project each summer and 450 workers on site daily at the peak of the project. These jobs will generate $15 million in economic impact for the region and the first phase of the project saw 75% of the materials and labor procured from Pennsylvania. The project architect is global design firm Populous with its extensive experience in designing sports and entertainment venues. The construction management team is a tri-venture of Barton Malow, AECOM Hunt and Alexander Construction with Nations Group serving as a key consultant in this effort. These companies have a history of working together on multiple athletic facilities over the past 20-plus years.

To date, the project has seen incredible support, led by the $25 million commitment from the Misitano Family and PAM Health. The gift to name the West Tower from the Misitano family and PAM Health is the second-largest in Penn State Athletics history. Athletics also received transformational gifts from Ira Lubert and his wife, Pam Estadt, to name the Lubert Family Welcome Center, Jennifer and Frank Marzano to name the Marzano Club, as well as Matt and Anne Schuyler to name the Schuyler Family Club. Athletics has also received two $10 million gifts from donors who wish to remain anonymous, as well as a $5 million contribution from Playfly Sports.

Beaver Stadium in 2025

Following the 2024 football season, the press box and the west side upper bowl were demolished to clear the path for the construction on the PAM Health Misitano Family Tower, Schuyler Family Club, Marzano Club and suites levels. In addition, 7,900 temporary bleacher seats will be installed on top of the suite level, and there will be temporary concession and restroom amenities for the season.

Seating and Parking Impacts in 2025


It is expected Beaver Stadium will maintain a capacity of more than100,000 throughout the renovation project. Football game day parking and tailgating are not anticipated to be limited during the stadium construction period, however there may be minimal impacts across the construction site. The construction footprint will be expanded during the off-season but will shrink to accommodate football game day parking in-season.

Beaver Stadium’s Revitalized West Side

The project will encompass the next three football off-seasons and will see enhancements in all aspects of the game day experience. Improved amenities, such as restrooms and concessions as well as improvement in Wi-Fi with 135 new wireless access points and an increased Wi-Fi capacity. An increased number of concourses, including a Field Level Concourse, Main Concourse and Upper Concourse will more than double the space of the previous concourses on the west side. The revitalization will increase vertical fan circulation as well with the addition of escalators, elevators, and pedestrian ramps. In addition, stadium lighting will be replaced to enhance game day presentation, as will the upgraded north videoboard and new ribbon boards on the west side intermediate and upper bowls. In alignment with Penn State’s commitment to global sustainability, the Beaver Stadium Revitalization will be designed with a high standard for energy efficiency, construction and eventual operation of the stadium with a commitment to achieving LEED certification.

The completed revitalization will offer a new mix of seating options, with the vast majority – approximately 75% - of seating on the revitalized west side being non-premium seats, located in the lower and upper levels. The west side will also include a variety of premium seating options and amenities more in line with modern stadiums. The premium spaces will include suites, the 20,000-square foot Schuyler Family Club, the 35,000-square foot Marzano Club, and loge boxes. The Schuyler Family Club and Marzano Club will also offer a year-round opportunity for private events.
 
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