Can't call Booser or Criswell back up yet, hasn't been fifteen days since they were optioned. Otherwise it definitely would have been Booser.Huh, wonder who is going down? Assuming if it was an injury, they would have gone with Booser? Horn has been pretty bad with Worcester.
(Edit- I’m, perhaps not surprisingly, wrong! He’s been very good with Worcester, was terrible with Charlotte. Still too many walks, but still….)
He’s been absolutely godawful but he’s got an electric arm. I’d rather they try to figure him out than just let him go. He’s the kind of guy that goes to another team and becomes a guy with a 2.25 era and 11 k/9.Ah got it. Thanks! Wonder if Campbell gets another shot.
He was great last year for Seattle. And he's got options. He's not going anywhere.He’s been absolutely godawful but he’s got an electric arm. I’d rather they try to figure him out than just let him go. He’s the kind of guy that goes to another team and becomes a guy with a 2.25 era and 11 k/9.
I think his injury is still causing serious issues. He was really good last year, and was great in his first 5 appearances, had a rough one against Baltimore and then got left out there the next day against Baltimore for 28 pitches (a number he only reached 3 times the entire season last year), and then had to immediately be shut down.He’s been absolutely godawful but he’s got an electric arm. I’d rather they try to figure him out than just let him go. He’s the kind of guy that goes to another team and becomes a guy with a 2.25 era and 11 k/9.
Fewer Russians.This is beginning to look like War and Peace.
or maybe that new guy from Detroit they traded for and some said he had a clause that had him needing a 40 man spot?Cam Boozer sent down to Worcester today, though no corresponding promotion has been announced. Criswell or Campbell I guess?
Yeah, probably.AndersonBernardinoBooserCriswellHornKellerKellySlatenWeissertWingenter? Seems more like a reclamation project than someone you'd want on the 26.
I think Cora agrees with me. Sadly Breslow may not.Wingenter? Seems more like a reclamation project than someone you'd want on the 26.
Wingenter? Seems more like a reclamation project than someone you'd want on the 26.
He "preserved" a 6run lead for 1 inning at home. That's probably as high-lev as he's going to get.I think Cora agrees with me. Sadly Breslow may not.
Looking ahead, I wouldn’t mind an extra rest day for Houck so he can pitch game 1 of the series against KC.Though DOB did hint that Criswell may be coming up soon, so hopefully that's sooner than later.
Player | xFIP | xERA |
Houck | 3.12 | 3.79 |
Crawford | 4.00 | 3.87 |
Pivetta | 3.45 | 3.74 |
Bello | 3.68 | 4.45 |
Criswell | 3.71 | 3.61 |
Bello has struggled but I don’t think he’s earned a demotion to AAA and the best plan for him is to keep working through it. Otherwise it’s distrust of Criswell and Winckowski as the no. 6 and the innings limit.
Player xFIP xERA Houck 3.12 3.79 Crawford 4.00 3.87 Pivetta 3.45 3.74 Bello 3.68 4.45 Criswell 3.71 3.61
Everyone says we need a starting pitcher but of the names available, only Flaherty (xFIP of 2.33, xERA of 2.89) seems clearly better than what we have in-house. I don't know what Breslow is doing with Criswell, his rate stats have been excellent for a 5th starter, he should be starting.
I understand the concern about innings especially for guys like Houck and Crawford but they're not young anymore.
It's pretty clear that Criswell isn't in the #5 mix at this point. The why is the interesting part. He's still burning innings in AAA, so if he was capable of giving quality ML starts/long outings, why not him over Wingenter? Is Criswell in AAA purely as emergency starting depth? Shouldn't that be an Anderson or a Keller or an Uwasawa?Everyone says we need a starting pitcher but of the names available, only Flaherty (xFIP of 2.33, xERA of 2.89) seems clearly better than what we have in-house. I don't know what Breslow is doing with Criswell, his rate stats have been excellent for a 5th starter, he should be starting.
I understand the concern about innings especially for guys like Houck and Crawford but they're not young anymore.
I think you answered your own question. Criswell is probably a "better pitcher" than Anderson, but Anderson is old, not great, seems to be a good guy for the team (according to last night's post-game show), and is the exact right guy to just sit around and molder until a blowout rolls around.It's pretty clear that Criswell isn't in the #5 mix at this point. The why is the interesting part. He's still burning innings in AAA, so if he was capable of giving quality ML starts/long outings, why not him over Wingenter? Is Criswell in AAA purely as emergency starting depth? Shouldn't that be an Anderson or a Keller or an Uwasawa?
I mean, I get that you can't really keep 6 guys stretched out as pure starters given the 13 man MLB pitching roster. But at the same time, I think you generally want to have your 13 best arms up in the majors.
That seems to be a problem with upgrading the team at the deadline overall. It's full of good players, but with few great ones. Unfortunately, the players available in a trade are seldom better than good, so it's hard to see an obvious place to get better.
Player xFIP xERA Houck 3.12 3.79 Crawford 4.00 3.87 Pivetta 3.45 3.74 Bello 3.68 4.45 Criswell 3.71 3.61
Everyone says we need a starting pitcher but of the names available, only Flaherty (xFIP of 2.33, xERA of 2.89) seems clearly better than what we have in-house. I don't know what Breslow is doing with Criswell, his rate stats have been excellent for a 5th starter, he should be starting.
I understand the concern about innings especially for guys like Houck and Crawford but they're not young anymore.
Pivetta becomes Giolito.I still think that while they might not need a starter, they could use one for yeah, easing innings- injury insurance- push Criswell to the pen and it makes the pen better. Use him as a Whitlock weapon.
But they’ll need to address Pivetta’s spot for ‘25 and they could do that with someone with just a full remaining season.
The reason Bello's xFIP is so much lower is xFIP corrects the FBHR % to 10.5%. In both 2024 and 2023 Bello's % has been much higher. This year it is 19%. Bello's FIP - which does not make this correction - is 4.44.
Player xFIP xERA Houck 3.12 3.79 Crawford 4.00 3.87 Pivetta 3.45 3.74 Bello 3.68 4.45 Criswell 3.71 3.61
Everyone says we need a starting pitcher but of the names available, only Flaherty (xFIP of 2.33, xERA of 2.89) seems clearly better than what we have in-house. I don't know what Breslow is doing with Criswell, his rate stats have been excellent for a 5th starter, he should be starting.
I understand the concern about innings especially for guys like Houck and Crawford but they're not young anymore.
Totally forgot about that guy! Okay... so maybe I'm leaning more into the "just trade for a reliever (the A's had a few that looked pretty nice)". But not opposed at all to seeing Eovaldi back here.Pivetta becomes Giolito.
Of course they need a starter. It shouldn't even be a question. Houck is already past his high for IP, and Crawford is approaching his. Wink seems better suited for long relief, and Criswell was starting to get exposed as a SP before he was sent down. Preferably it's a lefty too, we could really use that to balance out our rotation and force the other manager to have to think about lineup construction a bit more in any given series.Totally forgot about that guy! Okay... so maybe I'm leaning more into the "just trade for a reliever (the A's had a few that looked pretty nice)". But not opposed at all to seeing Eovaldi back here.
I think they're good enough as is, but the way it's looking right now- and I know these numbers don't really mean much but they still have some common usage that we can understand what they mean- is that the Sox have an "ace". Houck. Bello I thought from the start of the season shouldn't be counted on to be much more than a "3". But he's more like a "5" right now. Crawford and Pivetta are both pitching like "3's". Criswell too, but they seem to have given up on him for I have no clue.
So they do need another starter. Maybe since Giolito will take Pivetta's spot, that frees them up for an expiring contract deal. So... I just talked myself into needing a starter again.
Bello is not struggling, anymore IMO. He was before the skipped start, but the five runs in a blowout game are misleading. The 10 Ks tell a story of a guy who is finishing his pitches. Also he should be rested, relatively. There is no chance they would even consider a demotion.Bello has struggled but I don’t think he’s earned a demotion to AAA and the best plan for him is to keep working through it. Otherwise it’s distrust of Criswell and Winckowski as the no. 6 and the innings limit.
It’s enough to warrant adding a starter not just for the stretch run but also for ‘25 as I’m pretty sure Pivetta will be pitching somewhere else
'26 FA:There’s a few teams that really are out of any playoff competition-
Toronto should be looking to rebuild. Tampa. Detroit, White Sox, TX, LAA, Oakland in the AL.
Just DC, Miami and Colorado in the NL.
That’s actually a lot of potential trade partners…. I’m not sure what pitchers would be available that have arms ready to go deep that would also be locked in for ‘25 but I saw someone mention Eovaldi and I got light headed
Can you expand on Criswell "getting exposed"? When he was sent down, his FIP was 3.71, as opposed to 3.61 on May 1 and was way down from 4.40 on May 16. Cora's been consistently pulling him at about the 80 pitch point, so maybe there's some data to support that as a threshold. But that's more of a "he is what he is" rather than "getting exposed". Are there some underlying metrics I'm missing?Of course they need a starter. It shouldn't even be a question. Houck is already past his high for IP, and Crawford is approaching his. Wink seems better suited for long relief, and Criswell was starting to get exposed as a SP before he was sent down. Preferably it's a lefty too, we could really use that to balance out our rotation and force the other manager to have to think about lineup construction a bit more in any given series.
No, I don't think you're really missing anything. I'm just basing it on watching the games. It feels like he has to be pretty perfect because his stuff isn't overwhelming. He is a good depth piece, but with our bullpen thin, I don't think his 80 pitches are going to cut it unless he is super efficient. Maybe I'm gun shy because last year we were relying on bullpen games twice thru the rotation for 6-7 weeks because we got caught short on depth. I'm not ready to pencil him in as the 5th starter for the rest of the year.Can you expand on Criswell "getting exposed"? When he was sent down, his FIP was 3.71, as opposed to 3.61 on May 1 and was way down from 4.40 on May 16. Cora's been consistently pulling him at about the 80 pitch point, so maybe there's some data to support that as a threshold. But that's more of a "he is what he is" rather than "getting exposed". Are there some underlying metrics I'm missing?
Seems to me that for the time being, the fifth starter slot is a combination of Winckowski and Criswell. I expect a starting pitcher is on the shopping list for the deadline.No, I don't think you're really missing anything. I'm just basing it on watching the games. It feels like he has to be pretty perfect because his stuff isn't overwhelming. He is a good depth piece, but with our bullpen thin, I don't think his 80 pitches are going to cut it unless he is super efficient. Maybe I'm gun shy because last year we were relying on bullpen games twice thru the rotation for 6-7 weeks because we got caught short on depth. I'm not ready to pencil him in as the 5th starter for the rest of the year.
Yet we will still see Weissert tonight.Seems to me that for the time being, the fifth starter slot is a combination of Winckowski and Criswell. I expect a starting pitcher is on the shopping list for the deadline.
FWIW, Criswell threw 104 pitches tonight through 6. Doing that while giving up 5 runs isn't ideal, but it's an inning count that helps the pen.
its also an important game to start the last series before break against a direct competitor for WC spots. Now we have to face Lugo tmrw. They could’ve had something better than Cooper Criswell.Seems to me that for the time being, the fifth starter slot is a combination of Winckowski and Criswell. I expect a starting pitcher is on the shopping list for the deadline.
FWIW, Criswell threw 104 pitches tonight through 6. Doing that while giving up 5 runs isn't ideal, but it's an inning count that helps the pen.
You don't win many games when your #5 starter faces their ace. And Ragans is their ace. He has a better FIP, xFIP, WAR, k/9, and xERA than Lugo - all that with a .306 BABIP. Sometimes those match-ups happen.its also an important game to start the last series before break against a direct competitor for WC spots. Now we have to face Lugo tmrw. They could’ve had something better than Cooper Criswell.
I don't understand this argument in the context of the rotation. Who the fifth starter is, especially when that starter went a 6 full innings (all you can ask from that spot), doesn't change who's available in the bullpen on a given day. The injuries to Martin and now Slaten hurt, but the only correlation to the rotation is as a whole not one particular spot or starter. If their issue is over-use, it's as much on Bello and Pivetta having multiple starts of fewer than five innings as the choice of using Criswell and/or Winckowski as the fifth starter.Yet we will still see Weissert tonight.
The pen is just really hurting, RH wise now.
Jansen
Kelly
Weissert
Anderson
Winckowski?
Yikes.
I haven't looked, but I suspect that the "5th best" starter on the Sox stacks up well enough with most teams' 5th best.I don't understand this argument in the context of the rotation. Who the fifth starter is, especially when that starter went a 6 full innings (all you can ask from that spot), doesn't change who's available in the bullpen on a given day. The injuries to Martin and now Slaten hurt, but the only correlation to the rotation is as a whole not one particular spot or starter. If their issue is over-use, it's as much on Bello and Pivetta having multiple starts of fewer than five innings as the choice of using Criswell and/or Winckowski as the fifth starter.