2024 NBA Draft

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Agreed.

I think it's now got to the point where his name is actively working against him (at least for the general public)

If he was Brian James, then he's talked about as a mid 2nd round pick and no one really cares.
This kid is a lot better than people think in the right system. He never had a chance last year. It’s enough of a transition going from HS to college as a freshman now imagine sitting out for 4 months after a cardiac issue then thrown into the games without a preseason on a dysfunctional team.

He's a 6'1 shooting guard who had a heart issue last year, averaged 4.8 points a game, on 26% 3 point shooting. There is no way his name would have been submitted for the draft or he even considered turning pro this year if his name wasn't Bronny James.

This doesn't mean that he couldn't have instead gone to a mid major team, played good basketball, developed some PO skills, and maybe have been a 2nd round pick in 2 years.
 

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Yeah, Bronny is a legit 2nd round pick, guys with his profile (well rated HS prospects who miss time as Freshmen) don't come out a ton, but when they do they get drafted in the 2nd. His first season at USC doesn't look at all dissimilar to a bunch of other guys who were similar athletes and HS prospects who made it in the NBA... just most of them went back for 1-3 more years of college.

Bronny will get drafted in the 2nd.... likely by the Lakers in part because a lot of teams in the 40's and 50s think he doesn't want to go to them, and he didn't do workouts.
The only thing that was always silly is the idea you draft Bronny to get LeBron. That came from a comment like 3-4 years ago by LeBron that he and his son have both downplayed.
 

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I've always been dubious of Bronny's prospect rating from high school. That seems to be the main driver of evidence to suggest he is a worthy draft pick. While we do see some previously highly-rated recruits come out after one mediocre/bad year--they tend to be raw big men with athletic potential like Diamond Stone, not 6'1" guards.

I guess one comp for Bronny would be Nico Mannion--but even Mannion was significantly better at Arizona than Bronny was at USC.
 

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He's a 6'1 shooting guard who had a heart issue last year, averaged 4.8 points a game, on 26% 3 point shooting. There is no way his name would have been submitted for the draft or he even considered turning pro this year if his name wasn't Bronny James.

This doesn't mean that he couldn't have instead gone to a mid major team, played good basketball, developed some PO skills, and maybe have been a 2nd round pick in 2 years.
Oh his name definitely put him on the NBA radar nobody can deny that and his greatest benefit to his name is opportunity. I’m pretty sure he will be able to compete at this level in a couple years if his health is ok. I’m not worried at all about his shooting pct, he can shoot the ball.
 

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So, who are the ~5 names I should hope might possibly drop to the Celtics at 30 that I should be excited about as they (hopefully) don't get drafted in the first 29 picks?
 

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I've always been dubious of Bronny's prospect rating from high school. That seems to be the main driver of evidence to suggest he is a worthy draft pick. While we do see some previously highly-rated recruits come out after one mediocre/bad year--they tend to be raw big men with athletic potential like Diamond Stone, not 6'1" guards.

I guess one comp for Bronny would be Nico Mannion--but even Mannion was significantly better at Arizona than Bronny was at USC.
I've got one for you.... JD Davison. Top 15ish HS prospect, was mediocre year 1 (better stats than Bronny for sure, but not good stats at all), was listed at 6'3" turned out to be 6' (1 inch shorter than Bronny)... 2nd rounder.

The real thing with Bronny is..... he's only IN the draft because his dad is LeBron and he's a billionaire. Most kids go back to school because there is probably more money in being a sophmore top recruit at USC than a late 2nd.
 

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I've always been dubious of Bronny's prospect rating from high school. That seems to be the main driver of evidence to suggest he is a worthy draft pick. While we do see some previously highly-rated recruits come out after one mediocre/bad year--they tend to be raw big men with athletic potential like Diamond Stone, not 6'1" guards.

I guess one comp for Bronny would be Nico Mannion--but even Mannion was significantly better at Arizona than Bronny was at USC.
I’ll always go back Bill Simmons reporting that Bronny didn’t even make the LA Times All-City team as a senior, at the same time ESPN was saying he could be a lottery pick in a year. I’ll let the talent evaluators discuss his potential but on court he’s never been as good as his reputation built by his name.
 

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I’ll always go back Bill Simmons reporting that Bronny didn’t even make the LA Times All-City team as a senior, at the same time ESPN was saying he could be a lottery pick in a year. I’ll let the talent evaluators discuss his potential but on court he’s never been as good as his reputation built by his name.
So….you trust the LA Times talent evaluators more than Jonathan Givony? That’s certainly a take
 

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I've always been dubious of Bronny's prospect rating from high school. That seems to be the main driver of evidence to suggest he is a worthy draft pick. While we do see some previously highly-rated recruits come out after one mediocre/bad year--they tend to be raw big men with athletic potential like Diamond Stone, not 6'1" guards.

I guess one comp for Bronny would be Nico Mannion--but even Mannion was significantly better at Arizona than Bronny was at USC.
Avery Bradley has been the comp in my mind. He is slightly taller and higher rated out of high school. I was going to say Avery Bradley was a best case scenario but didn’t want to use an absolute. Maybe a 90% tail end upside.
 

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This kid is a lot better than people think in the right system. He never had a chance last year. It’s enough of a transition going from HS to college as a freshman now imagine sitting out for 4 months after a cardiac issue then thrown into the games without a preseason on a dysfunctional team.
I had to laugh reading some draft analysis breaking down Bronny statistically. Yes, analytics are great..but sometimes a bit of context is important, too. He does have some skills that make him a marginal prospect and draft worthy late.
 

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So….you trust the LA Times talent evaluators more than Jonathan Givony? That’s certainly a take
It's not a matter of trusting LA Times over Givnoy as much as the obvious incentive for ESPN to play nice with LeBron.

Avery Bradley has been the comp in my mind. He is slightly taller and higher rated out of high school. I was going to say Avery Bradley was a best case scenario but didn’t want to use an absolute. Maybe a 90% tail end upside.
Avery Bradley as a freshman was second in scoring and minutes for a team that was an 8 seed in the NCAA tournament. He was 38% on 3PG. Bronny was 8th in scoring and 6th in minutes, 27% on 3PG for a team that didn't make the postseason.
 
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Avery Bradley has been the comp in my mind. He is slightly taller and higher rated out of high school. I was going to say Avery Bradley was a best case scenario but didn’t want to use an absolute. Maybe a 90% tail end upside.
"higher rated" is an understatement. Bronny grew up with all possible advantages in terms of coaching and opportunity, and he ended up being ranked 20th in his class. Avery Bradley was #1 in his class. Even if we want to cut Bronny a break for his ugly freshman year (because of fit or health reasons), his accomplishments through age 19 aren't remotely on par with Bradley.
 

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So, who are the ~5 names I should hope might possibly drop to the Celtics at 30 that I should be excited about as they (hopefully) don't get drafted in the first 29 picks?
Lots of guys like Collier, Ware, Dadiet, and T Smith who I'd love to drop but doubt any will be available at 30. Realistically...

1) Ulrich Chomche
Classic "swing for the fences" big man. The youngest player in the draft and has at least some chance (very low) of becoming a star. Freak athlete. Fun guy to take a chance on.

2) Kyle Filipowski
Boring but he's actually pretty good as a spacer/passer and would have a chance at eventually carving out a role on the team. I'd be pretty happy with him at 30.

3) Jamal Shead
Has issues shooting from deep but good all around player who will likely get undervalued bc of his size. Easily worth a 2nd round pick, could see him at 30.

4) Juan Nunez
International playmaking PG. Can't shoot (yet) but gifted passer with excellent steal rate. Been around a while but still just 20 y/o. Stash candidate.

5) Jonathan Mogbo
Can likely defend at the next level but might be totally lost offensively. Late bloomer so you hope he's still putting things together, even at age 22..
 

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"higher rated" is an understatement. Bronny grew up with all possible advantages in terms of coaching and opportunity, and he ended up being ranked 20th in his class. Avery Bradley was #1 in his class. Even if we want to cut Bronny a break for his ugly freshman year (because of fit or health reasons), his accomplishments through age 19 aren't remotely on par with Bradley.
Absolutely fair, which is why I was going with best case scenario. If you squint at his scouting report his upside seems to be an Avery Bradley type. There’s certainly a good chance he never earns rotation minutes.
 

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It's not a matter of trusting LA Times over Givnoy as much as the obvious incentive for ESPN to play nice with LeBron.


Avery Bradley as a freshman was second in scoring and minutes for a team that was an 8 seed in the NCAA tournament. He was 38% on 3PG. Bronny was 8th in scoring and 6th in minutes, 27% on 3PG for a team that didn't make the postseason.
All of the scouting services had him ranked pretty high and they have zero incentive to appease LeBron.

The LA Times thing is Simmons at his worst "body-language doctor" nonsense.
The 3 guards on the All-City Team were:
Jared McCain- 13th by Rivals
Caleb Foster- 19th by Rivals
Jason Crowe- 4th overall class of 2026 who had the best Freshman year in the history of California for Div V champs.

Bronny being ranked below those guys doesn't mean he wasn't a top 30 prospect in the country.

It's LA not Iowa City or something, it's a city that churns out more elite prospects than most states.

Edit- Trent Perry might be a guard too I guess... he was a top 25-30 class of 2024 prospect and Gatorade player of the year for CA.
 

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Any chance Kel'el Ware slips to 30? A 7-footer who can shoot the 3, would be a good option to slide into the Al role in 2025-2026.
 

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So Brad’s gotta be looking to fall back into the second round, right?
My guess is he has a few guys who might be there for one reason or another and if none are, he'll trade back even if "bad value" in theory. I think the math is that a 1st still is beneficial if you believe in the player because the value is in years 2-6 or so (as you have advantages in resigning) but if you don't really beleive in someone, you might as well take a cheaper shot in second.

That's also my read on what happened last year, but it's just a guess
 

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Is there any channel with coverage that isn’t for mouthbreathers as the intended audience with Bronny watch? If NBATV had the draft itself, I’d flip there.
 

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So Brad’s gotta be looking to fall back into the second round, right?
I'd be really surprised if he didn't fall back.

The difference between signing the guy at #30, or signing a second rounder, will cost Wyc north of 5M depending upon how deep into the tax they go.

I can't imagine Wyc signing off on that for the 30th pick over say, they 36th pick. The difference in hit rate in miniscule.
 

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Is there any channel with coverage that isn’t for mouthbreathers as the intended audience with Bronny watch? If NBATV had the draft itself, I’d flip there.
I'm watching the youtube ESPN stream, WIndhorst, Pelton, McClure, Smith.... it's only been 5 minutes but it's been about the top guys..... and as I typed this they brought up Bronny. Windhorst was very realistic, said he's going to go in the 2nd, and then they quickly moved on.
 

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Risacher goes 1.

French guys going 1 in the NBA draft is the new market inefficiency

Fred weis weeps.
 

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Is there any channel with coverage that isn’t for mouthbreathers as the intended audience with Bronny watch? If NBATV had the draft itself, I’d flip there.
I’m watching game theory on YouTube with Venecia. Just talking about the picks.

Edit: They are spoiling picks on there.
 
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What does this French wing Risacher do that Jalen Johnson doesn’t already do for the Hawks? This seems to a weak draft at the top, but I would have gone with Sarr, even with his reluctance to work out for the Hawks, or move down for Clingan or another big
 

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What does this French wing Risacher do that Jalen Johnson doesn’t already do for the Hawks? This seems to a weak draft at the top, but I would have gone with Sarr, even with his reluctance to work out for the Hawks, or move down for Clingan or another big
What team could possibly build a contender around two similarly skilled wings.
 

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What does this French wing Risacher do that Jalen Johnson doesn’t already do for the Hawks? This seems to a weak draft at the top, but I would have gone with Sarr, even with his reluctance to work out for the Hawks, or move down for Clingan or another big
His French is vastly superior. Helpful for their Wemby FA pursuit in 7 years.
 

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I love Sarr’s attention to detail. His outfit matched his Wizards cap perfectly
 

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Windy saying that they might look to move Sengun soon took me by surprise. I know they did well after he got hurt, but everything leading up to that point indicated he was turning into a really good player.
 

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What does this French wing Risacher do that Jalen Johnson doesn’t already do for the Hawks? This seems to a weak draft at the top, but I would have gone with Sarr, even with his reluctance to work out for the Hawks, or move down for Clingan or another big
I mean... it's the #1 overall pick, if you're picking for need you're already screwed. You take the guy you think is mostly likely to be a star. Jalen Johnson isn't blocking anybody (though also a bunch of 2-way guys between 6'6" and 6'10" is a great way to build a team)