2024 Mock Drafts are more fun than this boring, awful Patriots Team

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So..one of Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy AND another 1st.

That's raising the bar so high you'd need a jetpack to clear.
I think you're misunderstanding. I think what @DJnVa is saying is that if you don't draft a QB this year (assuming with the #3), then you have almost certainly traded down, and if you're doing that, you damned well better have gotten a first rounder for next year in that trade.
 
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Maye fell to #3 and the Giants offered #6 and #47, which I felt was maybe a bit light, but none of the reasonable seeming counters were acceptable. Top OT on the board. Extreme run on OTs in the first leaves the best OC available at #34. Sweat was too good to pass up there and would seem a good match next to Barmore. Sinnott was basically BPA and need. Not sure he's the best fit and I could have waited until later on TE. The rest are projects at various positions of need, but I think players that have at least a decent chance to make an NFL roster and be game competitive at some point in their careers. The QB being the biggest project of them all. Roll with Rourke and this kind of talent infusion can potentially pay dividends year two or three of the rebuild. I believe year three under Mayo should be the reasonable expectation for fielding a competitive team.

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My first thought was: I hate this. Because neither of the two most important spots on the team (with the two biggest holes to fill) were addressed - QB and WR1. And you drafted two RBs?

But then I thought...well, at least he REALLY shored up the OL, which will make the whole offense perform better for years. And I do like Milton as a project. He definitely has tools to work with.

But in the end, this team needs to adequately address both QB and WR (along with OT, yes) in this draft. So if this was what they did, I'd be disappointed when all is said and done.
 

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So..one of Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy AND another 1st.

That's raising the bar so high you'd need a jetpack to clear.
Huh?

There were 2 conditions in my post:

1--you end up with NONE of the top 3 or 4 QBs
2--you end up with NO future #1s

If you satisfy both, fire everyone.

If you don't have one of the QBs you better get a future #1. That's it. That's the tweet.
 

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I’m likely more down on the Pats current roster than most. If the Vikings offered 11, 23, next year’s #1, and say a #2 in 2026 I’d take it. If it is 11, 23 and next year’s #1, I’d still think pretty hard about it. But I’m not sure that is realistic on the Vikings part. If they trade both #1s this year, they dont pick until the fourth round, #108. If they include next years #1, they wont pick until the third round (although they’ll likely have 3 third round picks next year due to comp picks). That makes the real cost of making that trade #1 and #2 for each of 2024 and 2025. That’s a “Draft Day” level of lost picks, and even though they have a pretty good roster now that puts them in a real bad spot 2-3 years down the road, and I’m not sure they are good enough to GFIN this year and next.
 

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Maye being gone by #3 is my new operating hypothesis, which is obviously not predetermined. If whoever is on their board at QB3 is not a future quality starter, potential Super Bowl winner, then this would be a wild (read next to impossible) result from this mock. That said, lots of talent this year and A LOT of draft capital next.

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Just more proof that this mock went sideways early.
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Four weeks out:

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I really love the 2nd one, is Suamatia doesn't hit 34 it's a bit ugly at OT.
 

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I don't know if I'm still in "In BB We Trust" mode, but I tend to feel better about these mock drafts when I trade down a bunch (but maybe I'm also overestimating how close Penix/Nix are to Maye/Daniels and maybe it's because the CPU always overpays). Whenever I do the pfn draft, and don't trade down, I end up with Maye/Daniels at #3, and then #34 if I take a WR, at 68, there's only Rosengartner or Yale OT (and I don't think they're ever around when I get back to 103. There seems to be more depth for that #68 pick for WR, depending on if some of the mid 50's-early 60's guys slide (Pearsall, Legette, Roman Wilson, Corley, Franklin), plus Devontez Walker, Johnny Wilson who are still typically there, so I typically go QB/OT/WR.
(And since I usually end up with an unrealistic 14 picks (+6 or so 2nd and 3rd rounders next year) or so after trading down a ton... I just really wish there was a little better UI to do trade-ups, since the CPU only offers to trade-up with you, but maybe I just need to dig up some kind of Jimmy Johnson chart to figure out appropriate values without having to go through 5 clicks just to be rejected over and over again)
 

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PFN has a pretty good interface for trade ups. My problem with it is that I don't know the charts so I'm never sure if my offers are realistic or not. It would be really cool if one of these engines could show the chart values when reviewing a trade. (I'm guessing some pay versions might do that?)
 

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PFN has a pretty good interface for trade ups. My problem with it is that I don't know the charts so I'm never sure if my offers are realistic or not. It would be really cool if one of these engines could show the chart values when reviewing a trade. (I'm guessing some pay versions might do that?)
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp
You can use the hill chart and do it by hand, or.....
Haven't tried it yet, but this new one lets you pick a trade Chart to use
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/simulator
 

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Took a chance and traded way down from the 2nd rounder and 3rd for bulk this year. Still got Roman and two tackles that I like, plus some explosiveness on both sides of the ball (mostly offense).

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p.s. the trades were all offered by the tool.
 

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My favorite I've done to far. Like having a stud receiver and two QB's to try and develop.
It would take some brassy ones to wait for the second round and hope no one gets QB happy above you...

I'm more confident they can land a WR1 in the second or third round than a starting tackle, so that's where I'd put my thumb on the scale, but maybe that isn't the way this year really stacks up.
 

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Three weeks out.

I went with a bit of an experiment today, I assumed that the Patriots only think 1 of the QBs is worth #3 I decided to assume it is the same guy I like best... Maye. So if he's there I take him, if he isn't I trade down.

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Our drafts are starting to look more similar than different. I accepted a trade down from 34 to pick up another this year pick (77).

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I do find myself falling into a pattern, I love Maye at 3, if Sumataia is there at 34 I basically always take him, I like him more than the other OTs who make it there consistently, and I end up with Pearsall a ton at 68 if he makes it there.... of course that probably means Suamataia goes in the 20s and Pearsall in the 40s.
 

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File this under no way it happens, but I keep messing around with dropping out of the #3 spot. I’d be very happy with this haul, and yes I took both a RB who shined at the combine and a kicker who doesn’t appear to suck late. Also drafted a Rice for the new kickoff rules…
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Maye gone and no offers to trade #3 so I went Daniels. Moved around the board afterwards based on counters to or my accepting proposed trades. Decent amount of potential talent to fill many positional needs, but I can't say you come away with anything close to a sure thing here. And, no real future draft capital.

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I think that we have a lot of the same binkies. I keep taking a second tackle at 103, even in tradeback scenarios (sometimes higher there). Good case to be made for doubling down on receivers instead of tackles though.
 

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Did a mock with PFN yesterday and Daniels was available at #68. So weird that their model could ever produce that outcome, but I assume it was like a 1 in a (insert very large number) kind of thing.
 

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I always find it an interesting choice when a solid defender is available at 34. Like here somehow Latu is available, and I think in that case you either have to take a player like that, or hope somebody wants to overpay to grab him. In this case, I grab Latu and that puts me in a difficult spot regarding OT vs WR. It just seemed like Corley was the better choice between the OTs available at 68, and the same thing happened at 103. But at the end of the day, it seems like a failure to come out of this draft with no help on OL, even though IRL I would still be excited about this draft. (Although people don't seem as excited about Corley's potential as they did a few months ago.)


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This has 2 of my favorites.... And I still hate it. You can't have the #3 pick in a draft that is not only considered abnormally good but in particular abnormally good at the 3 positions you need most two of which are the hardest to get (LT and QB) and come out of it with zero 1st round talents in favor of punting to a future draft that is as of now unlikely to project any where near as good.
I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on Milton late in the draft.
I like Leary better as a 7th. I think Milton goes undrafted, he just has nothing going for him but pure velocity
 

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I don't foresee Maye dropping to #6, but here's my PFN draft where he did.
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I also keep drafting A.Smith and Q. Stiggers as end-of-draft binkies, whether rational or not.
 

DJnVa

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I would like this draft even if we couldn't trade down to get Maye and add Melton.
How can you like the draft if we don't get Maye and you don't know who goes in the #6 slot we acquired?

Because there's still no QB, no top WR, and the OT might just end up playing OG. And there's no future #1 to trade up with, although with this draft we likely wouldn't need to trade up to get a top of the 1st rounder.

No thanks.
 

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Milton will catch more passes in the NFL than he will throw them.
Milton is a fascinating case to me. Guy has it all. Cannon arm, great size, athletic, strong, pocket awareness, brains. He just has no freaking idea where the ball is going once he releases it. We should draft him and send him to Greenville.
 

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I am perplexed by mocks where someone trades out of three - which implies that you have no particular faith in whatever QB is sitting at three, and you’re pretty sure you can get a surer talent at another position a bit lower - and then goes ahead and picks the QB a lower anyway after it turns out other teams had the same qualms about the guy and the guy slips. If you like them, take them at three, if you don’t, take the WR at 6/7/11

Now tell me why I’m full of it.
 

DJnVa

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Milton is a fascinating case to me. Guy has it all. Cannon arm, great size, athletic, strong, pocket awareness, brains. He just has no freaking idea where the ball is going once he releases it.
I think accuracy is part of "having it all" though. lol
 

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How can you like the draft if we don't get Maye and you don't know who goes in the #6 slot we acquired?

Because there's still no QB, no top WR, and the OT might just end up playing OG. And there's no future #1 to trade up with, although with this draft we likely wouldn't need to trade up to get a top of the 1st rounder.

No thanks.
I'm assuming he meant draft Maye at 3 so you don't get the CB and just live with the rest of the draft. If we come away with Maye, Pearsall, Johnny Wilson and Morgan sign me up. Pearsall has as high a floor as any WR outside the top 3 and Wilson has WR 1 upside with very little floor. A combo like that is exactly what I hope NE comes out of the draft with.
 

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I think accuracy is part of "having it all" though. lol
Hah. Good point. Might be the most important thing.

I'm imagining whether teams think that's fixable. If so, a 6th or 7th round flier to have the guy hang around and work with throwing coaches might be worth it. You can't coach height, and they don't have to worry whether the guy can make NFL window throws. He has the cannon and quick enough release to hit any window. Problem is he might hit a window in the press box instead.