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Chainsaw318

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Michael Lorenzen and his agent are cooking up a plan: get him hired by a tanking club, get him the requisite 20 games as a position player or DH with at least 3 PA per game to get him qualified as a two way player (that classification will last through 2026), then trade him as a pitcher that doesn't count against the 13 pitcher limit.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6005197/2024/12/19/michael-lorenzen-two-way-player?source=user-shared-article
This was a reader email a few weeks back to Baseball podcast, Effectively Wild, now come to life.

If I recall correctly, The hosts, who are excellent, dismissed it as unlikely to work, both practically and to be allowed by the commissioners office if particularly transparent. Could be a fun real-life test.
 

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The Walker move seems to have said this, but Passan says Bregman is leaving Houston
View: https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1870205751756763568?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
I know what Passan's saying, but eating the rest of the Abreu mistake and upgrading to Walker shouldn't be dragged into it. They're moving on, at a budget level they've decided to set. What was the alternative, signing Bregman through his aging years and getting nothing for Tucker when he walked next season?
 

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For the last few hours there’s been a lot of rumors going around Rickey Henderson has died.

Someone with credibility finally posted about it and said he’s hearing it’s true. This guy is the Chief of communications for the Mayor of Oakland and a former Oakland news reporter and Emmy winner.

View: https://twitter.com/CaseyAPratt/status/1870350532587729228


View: https://twitter.com/CaseyAPratt/status/1870359829275164693
That would be too bad if true. But i think thats the kind of thing Rickey would announce himself.
 

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And then CLE turns right around and signs back Carlos Santana for 1/12, well done.
 

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I hate this just by the nature of it. Cleveland continues to rob from their lineup to add rotation depth. They now have 6-7 potential starting pitchers and two major league hitters... and I say that as someone who has always loved Santana. If they don't hit on Manzardo, DeLauter and Brito/Bazzana by the end of 2025, their lineup is going to be bad for a long time.
 

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I hate this just by the nature of it. Cleveland continues to rob from their lineup to add rotation depth. They now have 6-7 potential starting pitchers and two major league hitters... and I say that as someone who has always loved Santana. If they don't hit on Manzardo, DeLauter and Brito/Bazzana by the end of 2025, their lineup is going to be bad for a long time.
That'd be the question I would ask - do they have someone in the minors in mind for first base for 2026.
 

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That'd be the question I would ask - do they have someone in the minors in mind for first base for 2026.
Kyle Manzardo is considered the first baseman of the future and will get the opportunity to establish himself in Cleveland, probably picking up the majority of the DH at-bats in the early going. CJ Kayfus put himself on the map last year but will spend 2025 at the AA/AAA levels. Another possibility is if Juan Brito (who might open the year in Cleveland) and Travis Bazzana both have good years, Brito is the lesser second baseman and has some experience playing first base.

It's just a lot of reliance on rookie and sophomore bats after bringing Shane Bieber back on what's going to end up being a 1-year deal (and counting on being in contention when he returns to the mound).
 

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Pete Alonso running out of landing spots.

Might have to go crawling back to the Mets.
Seattle is also running out of options if they are looking to upgrade 1B. They're not going to sign Alonso, but perhaps they move off from Casas for Castillo and offer up one of the other starters that they have been reluctant to move. I'm not a huge proponent of trading Casas, but if Breslow can land one of The M's more prized possessions away he'll have acquired two desirable starters via trade and can spend to replace Casas with Alonso.
 

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Was expecting DD to use a blue chip prospect despite Luzardo being a distressed asset. Seems like he barely avoided that scenario.
 

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Two A ball players with unimpressive stats; they don’t appear in the top 20 of Philly prospects as far as I can tell. Looks like a pretty good trade; and man, looks like the Marlins held on to Luzardo way too long. He’s still only 27 and not a FA until 27.
 

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Two A ball players with unimpressive stats; they don’t appear in the top 20 of Philly prospects as far as I can tell. Looks like a pretty good trade; and man, looks like the Marlins held on to Luzardo way too long. He’s still only 27 and not a FA until 27.
Because if you are looking at the mlb.com list, they already moved Caba to the MIA one. He is #81 in the top 100.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/top100/
 

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Two A ball players with unimpressive stats; they don’t appear in the top 20 of Philly prospects as far as I can tell. Looks like a pretty good trade; and man, looks like the Marlins held on to Luzardo way too long. He’s still only 27 and not a FA until 27.
I think Caba is legit, $3m IFA SS. Fangraphs had him as the Phillies #3 and #71 overall. His A ball sample is still small.
 

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I think Caba is legit, $3m IFA SS. Fangraphs had him as the Phillies #3 and #71 overall. His A ball sample is still small.
And this trade makes perfect sense to me. Caba is a solid prospect. He's also 19 years old. He's years away from contributing on the field, while the Phillies have a $300M roster contending for a World Series this year (and next) and little salary room left to work with.

Phillies are going to need a heck of a rotation to deal with the Braves and Mets, Luzardo's a great piece to add.

Was expecting DD to use a blue chip prospect despite Luzardo being a distressed asset. Seems like he barely avoided that scenario.
I don't want to turn this into yet another thread about Dombrowski (overseer of 3 consecutive AL East titles and the greatest Red Sox team in history) -- so mods, let me know if this should be moved/deleted -- but what are the examples of DD trading "blue chip prospects" for "distressed assets"? Not singling you out, I just feel like I see these shots directed at DD a lot on here and don't totally know why.

I remain glad he decided to trade "blue-chip prospects" like Manny Margot, Michael Kopech, and Yoan Moncada for Sale and Kimbrel with the Red Sox.

With the Tigers his biggest trades -- Granderson and Edwin Jackson for Scherzer, and Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Miggy -- turned them into one of the best teams in the AL from 2011-2014, including 3 consecutive ALCS appearances.

He did trade away a 19-year-old Willy Adames in 2014 to try to win the WS with David Price, but even in hindsight that makes sense to me (still hard to believe a playoff rotation of peak Scherzer, Verlander, Price, Anibal Sanchez, Porcello and a lineup that included Miggy, JDM, VMart, Kinsler, Castellanos was swept out of the ALDS).

The only trade I'm seeing that's an all-time "whoops" was trading away Randy Johnson in 1989, which was upsettingly 35 years ago.
 

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Re: DD, I think his trade record is generally excellent insofar as rarely getting burned by hindsight regrets.

The "stripping the farm" you hear about was in part trading in volume (the guys he sent out may not have reached their potential in MLB, but that was still minus assets to address needs in further years), but more importantly he simply didn't invest resources in a development pipeline to replenish what he was spending.
And this trade makes perfect sense to me. Caba is a solid prospect. He's also 19 years old. He's years away from contributing on the field, while the Phillies have a $300M roster contending for a World Series this year (and next) and little salary room left to work with.

Phillies are going to need a heck of a rotation to deal with the Braves and Mets, Luzardo's a great piece to add.



I don't want to turn this into yet another thread about Dombrowski (overseer of 3 consecutive AL East titles and the greatest Red Sox team in history) -- so mods, let me know if this should be moved/deleted -- but what are the examples of DD trading "blue chip prospects" for "distressed assets"? Not singling you out, I just feel like I see these shots directed at DD a lot on here and don't totally know why.

I remain glad he decided to trade "blue-chip prospects" like Manny Margot, Michael Kopech, and Yoan Moncada for Sale and Kimbrel with the Red Sox.

With the Tigers his biggest trades -- Granderson and Edwin Jackson for Scherzer, and Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Miggy -- turned them into one of the best teams in the AL from 2011-2014, including 3 consecutive ALCS appearances.

He did trade away a 19-year-old Willy Adames in 2014 to try to win the WS with David Price, but even in hindsight that makes sense to me (still hard to believe a playoff rotation of peak Scherzer, Verlander, Price, Anibal Sanchez, Porcello and a lineup that included Miggy, JDM, VMart, Kinsler, Castellanos was swept out of the ALDS).

The only trade I'm seeing that's an all-time "whoops" was trading away Randy Johnson in 1989, which was upsettingly 35 years ago.
 

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I wasn’t really trying to take a pot shot in this case, but I do question the move a bit when the Phillies seem really stuck on improving their team, should you be giving up a top 5 prospect in your system for such a question mark when your window might be closed already.

Just feels like DD will be leaving Philly in 2-3 years in a similar way to his other stops - overinvesting in mid or injured goods.

On the other hand if the Red Sox did this trade for the equivalent, Gabriel Arias and one low-A flier, I’d probably have been happy with the risk. But the Sox window should be just opening.
 

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Why would the Phillies window be closed, though? They won 95 games last year. Theyve still got Wheeler, Nola, Harper, Realmuto, Turner, Castellanos, Schwarber, Suarez, Sanchez…looks like a really good team to me even if they did lose 3 of 4 to the Mets.

Luzardo is also only 27.

(Frankly, the whole idea of “windows” seems pretty silly, anyways. The Mets made the NLCS last year after dumping several players who didn’t align with their window, IIRC).
 
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First basemen don't have much value around the sport currently (a bit like running backs in the NFL), but also people love Garcia and he is a lefty reliever with 4-5 years of control (online sources disagree) and TEX saves Lowe's money. BTV has it as an overpay by WAS.
 

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Pederson's been a force, but I believe only against righties and cannot be trusted even in a corner OF spot, much like Yoshida. Rangers gave in a bit to give a player opt-out, but this move seemed to be in the works when Lowe was jettisoned - I guess they were not happy with Lowe's power compared to Burger/Joc at these prices, and are willing to sacrifice 1B defense for it, like many teams.

Meanwhile, the busy pre-Xmas rush continues:

View: https://twitter.com/AlexJStumpf/status/1871211721991258332
 

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The yearly McCutchen signing always makes me smile. I'm glad he's still around and never gave up after his early decline.