Without McCaffrey, they aren't the best offense but they are a good offense. The Jets have no ability to stop the run. I can't see how they can play against Miami or Buffalo. They will probably drop a game against the Pats as well.
2024 Jets: Out of the Darkness - Take 2
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Yup and the Niners ran the ball down their throats with their backup RB. They looked very soft on the DL.
I saw much the same. But I'm not as certain that his mobility is bad. What stood out to me was that he wasn't really making good throws from awkward positions as he used to. When he set and threw, he was fine. Throwing when moving -- especially when escaping -- was not very threatening to the defense. And *that* was what made him great.
I think this is pretty fair and in line with what I meant. I don’t think Rodgers has been a real threat to run for quite a while, but he was still able to boot out, still able to evade pressure, and still able to make plays on the move.
At least last night, that didn’t seem like it was a club in his bag still.
But the back shoulder throw to Garrett Wilson? Classic Rodgers. The TD on the free play? Vintage. I think Rodgers as more or less a pure pocket passer is still pretty decent, but obviously not MVP level, and comes with the issue of the line not being very good.
Yeah, the Jets D-line (mostly run D, but D line on passing plays was also bad) was by far the worst performing unit of the game.
Buck and Aikman were rightfully fluffing Mason all night, but most of his runs involved a gigantic, several-yard-wide gap and Mason not getting touched until 5+ yards past the line of scrimmage. The Niners O line was just throwing the Jets back right at the snap, who looked more interested in soliciting holding calls than beating their man / filling gaps.
That's obviously a tough opponent, but run D is pretty likely to be an ongoing weakness.
I'm hoping that was a styles make fights situation. The D in Ulbrichs first year did get gashed like that a couple of times. The constant 3/outs for us didn't help our D and our D not getting off the field didn't help the O. A circle of futility.
Sure the Jets D under performed, but at the end of the day last week should still be big reality check to anybody who's been happily chugging down the click chasing "Superbowl contenders" koolaid for a second year in a row. The 2024 Jets are a bubble playoff hopeful at best, and who are 100% supposed to lose games to actual legitimate superbowl contenders like SF. Which 8/10 times probably end ups up with a similar non competetive outcome given the non-wishcasting talent/coaching gap between the 2 teams. That is the bottom line story here atm/imo.
Further bubble burst time but last week also *IS* what better QB play looks like in the LaFleur'less Hackett offense, and which outside a Madden video game setting was never going to realistically make the jump from historically terrible to league average. That said I was pretty happy overall with how Rodgers looked, and which leaves me somewhat optimistic about our chances within this much softer 4 game stretch coming up.
Like us I expect the Titans to also look better in week 2 tho, and which might make for a harder W this week then initially anticiped. Panic time for me will come more out of a potential scenario of not being able to handily beat that Patriots team in week 3.
Further bubble burst time but last week also *IS* what better QB play looks like in the LaFleur'less Hackett offense, and which outside a Madden video game setting was never going to realistically make the jump from historically terrible to league average. That said I was pretty happy overall with how Rodgers looked, and which leaves me somewhat optimistic about our chances within this much softer 4 game stretch coming up.
Like us I expect the Titans to also look better in week 2 tho, and which might make for a harder W this week then initially anticiped. Panic time for me will come more out of a potential scenario of not being able to handily beat that Patriots team in week 3.
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So the reality checks on preseason hype keep coming, but nice to walk out of yesterday with the W. Losing JJ is gonna be painful though on defense that was already taking another step backwards this year.
Still, 2 upcoming games against bad team NE and a Bo Nix led Denver. Without making too much of it I'm pretty confident atm that we are walking out of that being 3-1. Talk to me again in 2 weeks how I feel about the Minny game immediately after that. I initially had that marked down as a decent W possibility too, but it's kinda hard to maintain that in the current moment after watching them beat a SF team yesterday that just absolutely big leagued us last week.
Still, 2 upcoming games against bad team NE and a Bo Nix led Denver. Without making too much of it I'm pretty confident atm that we are walking out of that being 3-1. Talk to me again in 2 weeks how I feel about the Minny game immediately after that. I initially had that marked down as a decent W possibility too, but it's kinda hard to maintain that in the current moment after watching them beat a SF team yesterday that just absolutely big leagued us last week.
2nd game confirms this evaluation of Rodgers (albeit I think their OL has been decent in protection). It seems like he should be an adequate, even good QB, but without the sort of in the pocket shiftability that helped him so much in the past. That might be okay if the defense was as good as it has been, but their D looks like it's taken a step back so not sure adequate/good will do it in the QB dept.
that said, they probably will be 3-1 in a few weeks and so we'll have to hear a bunch of hype.
We can just say it like it is, the D has been horrible. With the O, the players are very good but nothing has been easy. The line has been the best in years in terms of pass protection (I think 1 hurry 1 sack yesterday both on the 2nd year C who I like) but we are light years away from a Shanny or McVay level of intelligence with coaching. I watch a lot of games and see receivers schemed open a lot. We don’t have that. We had about 3 receptions in the game yesterday that I cannot recall the last time I was as impressed. Fitzy had some good ones when Marshall and Decker were healthy. With the amount of talent on offense, it should be a lot easier. We are very dependent on “well, we have these awesome guys”.
Braelon Allen is looking like a nice mid round find. The Jets are very top heavy on offense with Wilson and Hall but those guys are both Pro Bowl talents so things should be a lot easier on everyone else. So far, offense has been a bit of a grind. Rodgers clearly isn’t going to have a bunch of 300+ yard games but he’s generally very good at avoiding turnovers so that’s a good thing to have if you’re not going to air it out.
I am a little surprised at how the D has performed. But they’re surely going to look good these next 2 weeks.
That Jets offensive game may not be that remarkable on the surface, 400 yards and 24 points... but I don't think I've seen that level of competence (+ arm talent) in my entire life.
As a Jets fan the trained mindset is that if something goes wrong, like a run-of-the-mill O-line breakdown, the QB will always make it worse rather than save the play. Sanchez, Geno, Darnold, Wilson. That's 15 or so straight years to get here, with some Fitzpatrick etc sprinkled in.
Facing tougher D lines will obviously change things, and hopefully Fashanu can fill in for Moses. Rodgers is still probably better than even money to get hurt. I'd sign up for a 1st round playoff exit but QB competence all season, I've just never seen it. I've seen AFC Championship appearances where we spent the whole season trying to hide the QB and knowing it was fool's gold, I'm good on those.
As a Jets fan the trained mindset is that if something goes wrong, like a run-of-the-mill O-line breakdown, the QB will always make it worse rather than save the play. Sanchez, Geno, Darnold, Wilson. That's 15 or so straight years to get here, with some Fitzpatrick etc sprinkled in.
Facing tougher D lines will obviously change things, and hopefully Fashanu can fill in for Moses. Rodgers is still probably better than even money to get hurt. I'd sign up for a 1st round playoff exit but QB competence all season, I've just never seen it. I've seen AFC Championship appearances where we spent the whole season trying to hide the QB and knowing it was fool's gold, I'm good on those.
I've been saying it all summer and i'll say it again here. Cinderella scrappy start aside the Patriots are a really, really bad football team. Those 2 games and probably next week's are by far the easiest looking W's to grab on our schedule. So not going to read too much into any beatings we give them.
Last night Rodgers did look as good as one could have hoped for regardless tho. Run game too. Hopefully Moses is back before the inevitable Tyron Smith absence that was baked into his acquisition cost.
Last night Rodgers did look as good as one could have hoped for regardless tho. Run game too. Hopefully Moses is back before the inevitable Tyron Smith absence that was baked into his acquisition cost.
Two RBs looked good, Lazard looked fresh, Conklin looked lively...I think this all flows from Rodgers having a really clean and efficient game. If he can sustain that, they can compete. He can still sling it. And he was nails on third down. Pats also made their D line look amazing but I think there is good talent there notwithstanding the Pats' awfulness.
It's questionable. Need to see if Fotu can get back and if the UDFA Taylor can play (which I think he can but still need to see it when it matters). Will McD looks good but he was playing against air last night. Q95 is an absolute beast and Sherwood with the dot is playing much better than CJ was, which helps. The line only has one certified stud and then my prayers.
Another positive for the Jets is that Rodgers still has the ability to escape the pocket really well. If teams are undisciplined and don't contain him in the pocket - like the Patriots last night - Rodgers still has the ability to make you pay.
you should win next sunday but denver has a top 10 def and other than 1 bad 3rd q in seattle where they scored 2 TD'S teams have scored 32 pts in 3 games
i say JETS 16-13 https://www.youtube.com/@edwellstvc73 jets full game you tube channel
i say JETS 16-13 https://www.youtube.com/@edwellstvc73 jets full game you tube channel
Denver ruined Favre when they came to NY with Jay Cutler so I will not be looking past this game.
i miss those days had we just kept shanny at least 2 more years denver couild had made the super bowl in 2010 or 2011
only change denver is if they played like today but denver got a lot of lucky breaks in the 1st haif
1 nix lose the ball but TB was offside
2 on 4th and goal TB lose the edge on the filp and gave up a td
3 nix almost threw 2 INT and one might been a pick six
4 your def is 3x better than TB
5 plus u won with zach wilson as your starter in denver the last 2 years
only change denver is if they played like today but denver got a lot of lucky breaks in the 1st haif
1 nix lose the ball but TB was offside
2 on 4th and goal TB lose the edge on the filp and gave up a td
3 nix almost threw 2 INT and one might been a pick six
4 your def is 3x better than TB
5 plus u won with zach wilson as your starter in denver the last 2 years
I'm still basically looking past Denver lol. Just not buying in on Nix being NFL ready, or doing enough right against us to win. I'll be betting that line if if it's under a TD.
I ain't liking us in that Minny matchup at all now though. Not sure i can mentally stomach an L that sees early MVP candidate Sam Darnold carve us up either.
I ain't liking us in that Minny matchup at all now though. Not sure i can mentally stomach an L that sees early MVP candidate Sam Darnold carve us up either.
Yeah, I'd be looking past Denver as well. I'd also be pretty cautious about declaring Denver a top defense just yet. None of the three teams they've played are going to strike fear into the hearts of defensive coordinators.
Defensively, they're pretty porous against the run which is surprising considering they've played some mediocre - or worse - rushing offenses (Seattle, Pitt, Tampa). The Jets running duo is good, and considering some of the tackling issues I've noticed when watching Denver a bit this season, I expect them to soften Denver up enough for Rodgers to pick on anyone not named Patrick Surtain.
Denver coming off a physical game in FL, don’t know if they go home or stay on East Coast then to NY. We have some advantages but we will see. I hate that we have to go to London. I don’t trust our coaches to do it right.
denver is staying at the greenbrider its a place in west va payton used when he was coach in New O
i re watched the hillights of den tb on YT and 2 things stood out
1 JFM ex jets castoff and zach allen is getting pressure upfront some guy named donea tillman got 2 sacks
2 when teams go away from sutain players like riley moss and J Mcmillan have step up a level plus Brandon Jones ex miami S had a huge game yestday
jets are better but the last 2 years when we played its gone down to the 4th q
IF denver wins this game it sit up a shot at 6-2 for them
3 out of denver next 4 games are at home with the road game in NO
first one to 20 shouild win
Bo Nix looked better yesterday for sure but you're asking a lot of this team to win 6 straight games. Very few teams in the NFL do that.
After the Jet game the Raiders Chargers and Car are even with us as terms of talent and they all have to go to den peyton was the diff yestday in the TB game because he played them twice a year for 13 years just imgarine how much he knows about NO
had denver signed sam donald in FA they would be 3-0 right now but beating the Jets wouild push us toward the other 4 games JETS are a playoff team right now they should get the 6 or 7 spot if denver wants to be a playoff team they have to beat teams like the Jets
and with Nix was only a bad 3rd qb in Sea and a endzone int plus in week 2 peyton went for it near the 50 that when he did not make it give pitt a fg from being 3-0 anyway
jets will win the game if they stick with the run all game but if rodgers wants his 300 yards 3 td's that will give denver a shot
Saleh is an idiot and it’s nice of QB1 to let him know it
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Darnold revenge game in London
Bills on MNF
@PIT on SNF
And then the schedule gets soft if you assume HOU and ARI are meh, starting with @Pats
The good thing is that in a place like NYC with so much going on, nobody will focus on this sort of drama.
HOU is meh? They may not be a 13 win team, but they shouldn't be lumped into "soft schedule" talk.
Grouping Houston and Arizona is definitely a spicy take. Houston is very good to great. Arizona is fun to watch because Kyler, Marvin, and Conner are fun to watch but they aren't good.
Houston snuck past the Colts, Jags and Bears and got boatraced by the Vikings. My tune may change if they easily handle the Bills and Pack the next 2 weeks.
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This is fair, and I didn't mean to say that Arizona and Houston are the same. A better way to say it is that the Jets, playing their best, should beat Arizona under almost all circumstances and could beat Houston if Houston keeps playing as they have been.
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I’m also very “wait and see” on Houston. I like Stroud and I liked him coming out. I don’t pay them much attention and last year they came up to MetLife and got absolutely smoked. They got such a beating that it makes me wonder about that team. A reporter that used to be on the Jets beat and moved to Houston did a pregame podcast appearances and he talked all types of shit “Houston this, Houston that…so much better blah blah blah”. I know what the Jets are and the way they rag dolled Houston made me skeptical of the Texans. Houston doesn’t look that good this year either. They could be good because Stroud is good and things could click, but I want to see it. I’m a Doubting Thomas on this team.
They have a very tough offense when healthy. Mixon has been out last 2 weeks and it’s impacted them a decent amount. The defense has some talent but has been inconsistent so hard to draw any form conclusions. Right now, I view KC/BUF/BAL as the AFC elite with the Texans, Jets, Steelers a healthy distance below them.
Other then us I view Houston as the most over-hyped team coming out of this offseason. I fully applaud Slowik for the job he's done there with Stroud and that offense. But end of day it's always worthy to point out that the entire stacking Ws effort there has benefited greatly from playing out of a cupcake division that the Zach Wilson Jets probably would of won last year. I still have questions on how consistently good Stroud can be against tougher competition, and don't actually see them being on the same competitive tier as the 3 headed race for the AFC crown (KC/BAL/BUF). Their "super bowl contender" talk was just as silly as our's was imo.
That said don't foreee our offense being able to keep up with their's. But not being able to make positive adjustments or get any better offensively then where this team is at now was always baked into the reality cost that came with bringing in Aaron Rodgers imo.
I can only hope this is true
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Aikaman joining typing class to meet girls and then becoming a champion typist or whatever has made me love the guy.
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https://www.dallasnews.com/business/2017/09/25/how-troy-aikman-became-oklahoma-s-1983-high-school-typing-champion/
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Meh. This concept idea that you can just add Danante into the current offense, and expect that to fix the fundamental issue at hand, is basically just catering to the willingly naive and/or stupid imo. And chasing the quick fix headline. It didn't essentially work before with adding a much bigger upgrade at QB, and it's not going to work now at WR. I'm ultimately not against trading for Davante, but let's be crystal clear honest with the surrounding reality on this. At it's core this trade has a lot more to do with throwing up the hail mary in an attempt to justify Nathaniel Hackett's job and existence here then it does with any genuine attempt to make this offense a meaningful amount better. There is only one way that latter is actually happening, and it absolutely has to start with a firing. There is no shortcut around that.
We need a competent offensive coach in that room more then we need anything else (including Aaron Rodgers himself). Adding Adams isn't something that shows up in the W-L standings imo. It essentially just (rightfully in this case) waves the white flag on Garrett Wilson ever truly amounting to the #1 alpha type we hoped he could develop into, and while making this limited scope offense a little more fun to watch then it has been outside that NE game.
Just praying we don't outbid ourselves on this like in the Rodgers comp.
Meh. This concept idea that you can just add Danante into the current offense, and expect that to fix the fundamental issue at hand, is basically just catering to the willingly naive and/or stupid imo. And chasing the quick fix headline. It didn't essentially work before with adding a much bigger upgrade at QB, and it's not going to work now at WR. I'm ultimately not against trading for Davante, but let's be crystal clear honest with the surrounding reality on this. At it's core this trade has a lot more to do with throwing up the hail mary in an attempt to justify Nathaniel Hackett's job and existence here then it does with any genuine attempt to make this offense a meaningful amount better. There is only one way that latter is actually happening, and it absolutely has to start with a firing. There is no shortcut around that.
We need a competent offensive coach in that room more then we need anything else (including Aaron Rodgers himself). Adding Adams isn't something that shows up in the W-L standings imo. It essentially just (rightfully in this case) waves the white flag on Garrett Wilson ever truly amounting to the #1 alpha type we hoped he could develop into, and while making this limited scope offense a little more fun to watch then it has been outside that NE game.
Just praying we don't outbid ourselves on this like in the Rodgers comp.
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I like that you quoted that Troy video so I could watch it again. My post is not about Davante. I"m stuck here hoping whatever they do works knowing that it probably won't. Thank god my car has youtube tv because this London start time is fucking with my chauffering schedule.
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Yeah I just caught that when i read it. The quote wasn't meant to be there lol. Just a never happened reply still saved there from the other day I guess.
I think everybody is sleeping on the potential likelihood it ends up being a Garrett Wilson for Davante Adams swap that ends up getting this trade done. It actually makes a lot of sense for both teams imo when you don't default to this concept idea that the 2-2 FO in Vegas, constantly trying to grasp at relevancy since the day they moved to that city, are just going to want a rebuild pick. Which didn't end up being the case last year either.
Especially with Garrett Wilson being clearly unhappy with both Hackett and with his current roll in the offense..To the point he's out there in the media openly chirping about it again over the weekend. Which likely only gets worse post-trade when his target share in an already limted output offense takes a notable hit.
Especially with Garrett Wilson being clearly unhappy with both Hackett and with his current roll in the offense..To the point he's out there in the media openly chirping about it again over the weekend. Which likely only gets worse post-trade when his target share in an already limted output offense takes a notable hit.
Vegas will have to part with draft capital if Wilson is in this deal. Will never be a one for one swap.