2024 camps and preseason stuff
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Is Montgomery coaching for his job? Did I miss something?
Edit: Maybe I misunderstood you. Do you mean to say he’s coaching for his job by virtue of being in the final year of his deal, or do you think he’s on the hot seat? The former makes it literally true, I guess, but I think it’s a technicallity that will sort itself out. I’d be shocked if he’s not extended.
He is in the last year of his contract and there is a lot of smoke that he was going to be fired if they lost game 7 to Toronto. Charlie Jacobs basically said it. Sweeney did say they were talking extension with Monty at the beginning of camp, not sure where that stands. Typically coaches don't go into the final year of their contract without an extension.
I’m an optimist and generally I feel like these sorts of things typically work themselves out (the Pasta deal for example, I never batted an eye), but this feels very different to me. I think there is contention on both sides and it seems those feelings are growing stronger, not weaker.
I’m terrified that this does not end well. Be it short term or medium.
As for the offer 8x8 is fair for both sides. I hope that has them close and Swayman is not holding out for more than 8.5. If Shesterkin is going to get 12, I can see Sway wanting 9 or even 10 and that makes me nervous.
Appears as if Neely got tired of Swayman's camp throwing out obvious misinformation and trying to pin the whole thing on Sweeney. Yeah, 8x8 should have gotten it done, and seems like Swayman's agent doesn't know what the term RFA means in the NHL.
I'm pretty sure if Swayman would accept $8.5 million or maybe even $9 million, this would be done by now. Based on Cam's comment and what Swayman has said in public about setting the market, I think he's in double digits AAV, so the gap is probably over $2 million/year.
Not sure where this goes after Cam's public comments.
I can't blame him after Swayman's been transparently playing the chiclets game for a month, and spun up this story that the team took him to arbitration last year.
If he wants to be paid $10m+ AAV, he needs to sign a bridge deal to take him to UFA status. B's would be insane to go $9m+ AAV (IMHO).
If he wants to be paid $10m+ AAV, he needs to sign a bridge deal to take him to UFA status. B's would be insane to go $9m+ AAV (IMHO).
Agree with you. This was my worst fear. Sweeney should have know Swayman would play hardball. Goaltending was our biggest strength, the envy of the league.
I’m not certain how it works, but is he a UFA on 7/1/26 no matter what? Or if he sits out do they retain his rights?
I still think that they’re going to have good goaltending. They play great team defense, they have the best goalie coach in the league. They just missed out on getting real value for Swayman.
$8 million in AAV would be the 5th highest AAV for a goalie in the league behind Bobrovsky, Vasilevsky, Hellebuyck and Sorokin. Shesterkin's next deal will probably set the market, so call it 6th. Bob, Hellebuyck an Sorokin were all UFA's (or pending UFA's) when they signed. Vasilevsky was the only RFA. Looking through that lense, the $8 million seems reasonable. I've said I'd go up to the Vasilevsky one ($9.5 million) given the rising cap but I see no reason for the Bruins to go much higher.
I don't think a trade is viable. The list of teams that need a goalie, have the cap space to fit his contract, plus have the assets the Bruins would be intersted in is very short. It's basically Utah.
I don't think a trade is viable. The list of teams that need a goalie, have the cap space to fit his contract, plus have the assets the Bruins would be intersted in is very short. It's basically Utah.
Swayman's agent is Louis Gross. He took Nylander and the Leafs to the RFA deadline in 2018 and ended up $2M million under what he was looking for. He "settled" for a similar number as Pasta's deal at the time. The idea he was going to get $2M more than Pasta was lunacy. I think the same factors are in play here. I fully expect this to go to December 1st and a bridge deal at similar AAV that the Bruins are offering. He also reps Torey Krug. There may be some bad blood.
What a mess.
I don't think anyone is "to blame", but I have no issue with Neely making that comment.
Definitely agree that they traded the wrong guy, at this point. I don't think Sway ever indicated that he was going to agree to anything but a top of the market deal, and he's been publicly pissed since the arbitration hearings last year.
Sad that it's probably too late to trade him, as that is probably the best course of action at this point, but like @cshea notes, no team in the league is going to give them anything of value for a guy who won't fit under their cap and won't sign anyway.
I don't think anyone is "to blame", but I have no issue with Neely making that comment.
Definitely agree that they traded the wrong guy, at this point. I don't think Sway ever indicated that he was going to agree to anything but a top of the market deal, and he's been publicly pissed since the arbitration hearings last year.
Sad that it's probably too late to trade him, as that is probably the best course of action at this point, but like @cshea notes, no team in the league is going to give them anything of value for a guy who won't fit under their cap and won't sign anyway.
Honestly good. Glad they're now calling it out publicly. That's a good offer. I thought 8.5x8 is where they should land, but if Swayman is balking at 8x8 he has no intention of being reasonable.
If Shesterkin is going to reset the market soon, and of course he will, Swayman might as well see what that looks like before locking in to $8m for a long time. I suspect $9 is the number that gets it done for him.
Per The Athletic, and take it for what it's worth:
But Utah, according to CapWages, has just over $9 million in cap space. According to Sportsnet, Swayman wants to be paid the same as Charlie McAvoy, who earns $9.5 million annually.
But Utah, according to CapWages, has just over $9 million in cap space. According to Sportsnet, Swayman wants to be paid the same as Charlie McAvoy, who earns $9.5 million annually.
Sure, but Shesterkin is under contract this year. The Rangers are trying to sign him now but there's no guarantee they do. I guess Swayman can wait until 12/1 to see if that happens, but then what?
Shesterkin will set the market and thus a ceiling, but I don't think they are good comps. Shesterkin will be an unrestricted free agent. Swayman is restricted. Shesterkin also has ~250 NHL games, has won a Vezina and has better counting stats. Swayman has played ~150 games.
Weren't there rumblings about Swayman being close to signing last February/March? I seem to remember someone writing that his family was in town and he was expecting to sign then, and I'm curious how we went from that to where we are 6 months later.
I don't think there is any expectation that Swayman will be right up to whatever the next ceiling is though, right? If the Rangers have already offered Shesterkin $10.5ish, what is it going to take? S11? $12? But I understand it might not get done before 12/1.
As far as games played for Swayman goes, and it seems that is leverage that Boston will use, was his lower usage based on performance, injury, or just mostly because of the timeshare thing the Bruins had going on for a while? I read a goodly part of this subforum, but really don't follow the Bruins day to day or anything. If Swayman has been injured a lot, I can understand Boston's reluctance to get closer to top end of the market.
I'm already sick of the back and forth of this negotiation and don't really care who the finger gets pointed at but the longer it goes on the more leverage I see the Bruins having. They have a goaltender under contract, in camp, preparing for the season. The team needs Swayman much less than he needs them right now. If 12/1 rolls around and Swayman doesn't want to budge, fine, he can sit at home without a paycheck for the season. That year off will surely help get him the big pay day he's after.
I’m honestly surprised. I figured they’d be blasting the team like they usually do.
No, Felger's been hammering Swayman for weeks since Swayman made the market settings comments. Felger doesn't think he's a market setter.
His family wasn't in Boston then or at least his parents weren't. They were still here in Alaska attending hockey tournaments like the Gomez classic and our Rondy tournaments. Ran into his dad multiple times during that time frame.
Here’s the thing. Do we know if the bruins are willing to offer him a bridge deal or are they the ones insisting on an 8 year deal? Who knows, and this is kind of the point of everyone jumping down on Swayman or the Bruins every time one piece of news comes out. Without a much larger picture of the full dynamics of the negotiations we have no way of knowing what the push and pull has been.
Swayman might be insisting on if I’m getting locked in for 8 years I want upside protection on the backend by going for higher AAV then he should have, but bruins are saying no and swayman could be asking for a buyout my RFA deal where I bet on myself then we talk again about longer term, and the bruins are balking.
Both would be very reasonable stances. And Neely’s shot about 64 million might be a shot at swayman either wanting long term deal with high AAv (cause cap is going up) or a short term bet on himself that makes him more expensive for the bruins and the bruins only wanting a long term deal.
in the end it just sucks, but swayman is an adult and he can make the decisions he wants to that he thinks are best for him. He doesn’t have to take “discounts” to play for a team I root for, and he’s working the limited leverage he has in a constrained market where he has to wait to play where he wants, for how much he wants, etc.
I just hope he ends up with the Bruins.
By all accounts both sides prefer long-term. Swayman and the team have consistently said that from the get-go.
I also think if either side wanted short term, they would've filed for arbitration.
I also think if either side wanted short term, they would've filed for arbitration.
It got lost in the Swayman hoopla but Sweeney made a point to not close the door on Lysell (or someone else) making the team. There will be call ups for the final 2 preseason games on Thursday and Saturday. The CBA mandates mean they only have 2 practiced between now and opening night. They wanted to get down to 1 group and there's guys that are coming back from injury they wanted to give ice time to so they could evaluate. But he said multiple times players they down yesterday will be back for the end of camp/preseason.
Bruins claim G Jiri Patera off waivers from Vancouver.
Has 8 games of NHL experience with Vegas. Suspect this is due to Bussi's shaky camp.
View: https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1841541928518627618
Has 8 games of NHL experience with Vegas. Suspect this is due to Bussi's shaky camp.
View: https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1841541928518627618
From what I’ve seen of Buusi, the word I’d use to describe him is ”stiff”. He just didn’t look very fluid.
i wonder why DiPietro gets no love? He comes with some junior/minors pedigree. Memorial Cup champion, backstopped Canada in the world Juniors, backup for Canada at the World Championships, Spengler Cup, etc. Is it mainly due to his size (6‘-1”) compared to Bussi (6’-4”)?
i wonder why DiPietro gets no love? He comes with some junior/minors pedigree. Memorial Cup champion, backstopped Canada in the world Juniors, backup for Canada at the World Championships, Spengler Cup, etc. Is it mainly due to his size (6‘-1”) compared to Bussi (6’-4”)?
