He shot 32% from three last year in 74 games. It's not just this year's 4 game sampleCiting shooting numbers after three games is a bit ridiculous imo.
He shot 32% from three last year in 74 games. It's not just this year's 4 game sampleCiting shooting numbers after three games is a bit ridiculous imo.
His performance last year clearly merits a starting role IMO and I suspect this fuckery with his minutes is a negotiating thing or just Kerr being incompetent. That his shooting hasn’t been great in four games doesn’t change the fact that he’s a better player than Hield or Moody with substantially more upside.He shot 32% from three last year in 74 games. It's not just this year's 4 game sample
Who likes wings that aren’t shooting well? This was Kuminga’s year to make a leap and last night a wake up call for him to bust out while being given MORE minutes than in any game he started this year. Not a good sign for him to be off to a slow start this year although he played really well in the 2H last night.If we learned anything about Kerr w/regards to his handling of Tatum, it's that he can't stand a big wing that isn't shooting well. Kuminga being benched for inferior players because his outside shot isn't falling isn't at all surprising.
You know it's not a binary question. Given the choice between:Who likes wings that aren’t shooting well? This was Kuminga’s year to make a leap and last night a wake up call for him to bust out while being given MORE minutes than in any game he started this year. Not a good sign for him to be off to a slow start this year although he played really well in the 2H last night.
Whatever it was it worked. Kuminga has responded well with his two best games of the year and the Warriors winning both non-Steph games vs the almost hapless Pelicans. NO lost Theis after being without CJ and Dejounte for what was already a team with depth problems. Yikes for them.The whole issue of Kuminga not starting has nothing to do whether he deserves to or not. It has to do with him finding out an hour before game time from a reporter. I don’t know if it was Kerr or some assistant coaches fault, but he should’ve been told before then.
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1i1kz2d/kerr_on_957_were_on_the_decline_we_know_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button"We're on the decline, we know that. Steph, Draymond, & I have talked about it together. It'd be so irresponsible for this franchise to trade everything away for one final swing at a title. You have to know where you are. …the discussion has been had & I'm so impressed w/these guys & how much they care about the Warriors' future."
This is both an honest and very on brand admission by Kerr. They were really excited in 2022 about the new generation of Warriors continuing the dynasty, but since the title that really hasn't happened. If they're admittedly on the decline and they've still got several veterans who could be traded for a ton of value down the road to help their younger core...well, we know what Danny Ainge would do. I doubt they have the balls to trade the best player in franchise history unless he asks out.I guess we can stop wondering if the Warriors are going to swing any big trades.
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They tried to develop high draft picks (Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody) instead of turning those picks into GFIN players.I guess we can stop wondering if the Warriors are going to swing any big trades.
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They will be without Steph pretty soon regardless. May be better long term to jumpstart the rebuild with some incredible assets via a Steph tradeIf Steph were to ask out you would think GS makes it happen. As Kerr/Steph et al note, they are unlikely to win again with this roster so both Curry and the Warriors are kind of passing time. Trading him could give the franchise a massive reset and also Steph a shot at a ring elsewhere.
I don't see Lacob going for it though. Without Steph the Warriors will likely test their current fanbase. Oakland showed up ok for bad basketball - the tech bros maybe not.
Was the blunder in the strategy or in the execution?They tried to develop high draft picks (Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody) instead of turning those picks into GFIN players.
Blunder in hindsight.
They really need to blow this up while Draymond and Curry do still have value. GM’s on the hot seat are always looking to make a last ditch desperate attempt to save their job and/or an impatient owner mandating such a move. (see: Nets w KG/Pierce)does Draymond have no value around the league? I'd sooner trade Green than the guy that casuals will show up to see by the thousands, if I'm Lacob.
I could be wrong, but my sense is that Steph really values being a one-team superstar. He may insist on going down with the ship unless Charlotte inexplicably wants to trade a bunch of assets for him.They really need to blow this up while Draymond and Curry do still have value. GM’s on the hot seat are always looking to make a last ditch desperate attempt to save their job and/or an impatient owner mandating such a move. (see: Nets w KG/Pierce)
The blow up doesn’t have to revolve around Kuminga being the face either…..you can move him, Moody, Buddy, the lot of them and completely retool. They have the assets to where they don’t have to turn into the Wizards if they are smart about it.
Tickets to Warriors games are obnoxiously expensive. It might serve them well to drop the payroll for a few years and price the nosebleeds reasonably for a while.I don't see Lacob going for it though. Without Steph the Warriors will likely test their current fanbase. Oakland showed up ok for bad basketball - the tech bros maybe not.
I lived there in the 80s and early 90s, when there was a lot of bad basketball, and there were a lot of empty seats. Run TMC filled it up a little bit moré, but there were still few sell outs. A lousy location didn’t help.If Steph were to ask out you would think GS makes it happen. As Kerr/Steph et al note, they are unlikely to win again with this roster so both Curry and the Warriors are kind of passing time. Trading him could give the franchise a massive reset and also Steph a shot at a ring elsewhere.
I don't see Lacob going for it though. Without Steph the Warriors will likely test their current fanbase. Oakland showed up ok for bad basketball - the tech bros maybe not.
I agree that they weren't selling out Oracle all the time or anything. But the Oakland Dubs drew a decent crowd regardless.I lived there in the 80s and early 90s, when there was a lot of bad basketball, and there were a lot of empty seats. Run TMC filled it up a little bit moré, but there were still few sell outs. A lousy location didn’t help.
This. I know this sounds trite but if I was in charge, I'd leave the decision up to Steph while making sure he realizes that the team isn't going to make any move that is costly to the future.I could be wrong, but my sense is that Steph really values being a one-team superstar. He may insist on going down with the ship unless Charlotte inexplicably wants to trade a bunch of assets for him.
Good point. Both. It's hard to develop young lottery/draft picks on a veteran team competing for Championships.Was the blunder in the strategy or in the execution?
The Warriors choose Wiseman at #2….LaMelo Ball went 3rd.
The Warriors choose Kuminga at #7….Franz Wagner went 8th.
The Warriors choose Moody at #14….Sengun went at 16, Trey Murphy 17 and Jalen Johnson 20.
Which, BTW, is probably why the Gordo and Kryie injuries were a blessing in disguise.Good point. Both. It's hard to develop young lottery/draft picks on a veteran team competing for Championships.
Draft day or year 1 - those picks/players needed to be moved to boost the "win now" talent around Steph/Dray
Another negative dynamic with young players, that you & I have discussed before:
The young player wants to get paid & being a part-time bench contributor isn't where the riches lay. Even a guy like Payton wanted out a few seasons back & eventually signed a team-friendly deal.
Brad trading Romeo/Nesmith and using their late firsts to realign the Celtics was a masterclass in roster mgmt.
Yes avoiding those 2 after injuries was a fantastic recovery. Although not getting something for Kyrie at the trade deadline (the entire league knew Kyrie was out) and signing Kemba-ya was a blunder by Danny (he didn't have many)Which, BTW, is probably why the Gordo and Kryie injuries were a blessing in disguise.
If Steph could be traded there this season we might have several pods and blogboys already speculating about a GS/Houston trade. I completely agree that's a great fit for both.The only team I see that's really a match is Houston. They have the salary, with Van Vleet's club option, and also the assets (Phoenix picks/Brooklyn swap). They also seem to want to go for it, and really need offense, plus can cover well for Steph defensively.
Will it happen? Probably depends on Steph, but that's the team.
"light years ahead"Once again, I don't see ownership pulling the trigger. They have to know that Chase will be empty as soon as it happens. They also know Steph is likely close to hanging it up but we have seen plenty of teams hang on too long just to make sure there is no more juice. There is only one Daniel R. Ainge.
Coincidentally, if my math is correct, this summer would be the Warriors' equivalent to the summer the Celtics made the trade.I know Steph means more to the Warriors, but I have a lot more respect for what Danny did with KG/Pierce as I watch this play out.
It was ballsy, perfectly timed, and he still maintained a good relationship between the players and Boston.
I've written these here before:The Warriors winning in 2022 really was spectacular in hindsight, given just how important Jordan Poole and Andrew Wiggins were to that team and what has subsequently happened to their career.
Yes but what I meant is that JT and JB really got to grow during that year without Gordan for the entire year and Kryie for much of it. The playoff run without those two really helped IMO JB and JT to grow.Yes avoiding those 2 after injuries was a fantastic recovery. Although not getting something for Kyrie at the trade deadline (the entire league knew Kyrie was out) and signing Kemba-ya was a blunder by Danny (he didn't have many)
Taking a TPE for Hayward, after some hand-wringing about, how do they replace Gordon's 17.5ppg? was one of Danny's better moves.
Funny enough the same pearl-clutching about Hayward's exit was repeated with Kemba's 19.3ppg leaving![]()
Yeah, that 2022 title was impressive af. I think that and the Dirk title were the ones that really took reputation to the stratosphere, and changed how the career looked in hindsight a lot.I've written these here before:
-The mediocre careers of all of those Warrior role players (Poole, Wiggins, Porter)
-The Celtics winning the title in dominant fashion 2 years later
-Durant not making any deep playoff runs
This has all combined to give Curry's legacy a real boost. It's amazing to think where he was after 2020 (a small, possibly injury prone guard in his 30s without Durant to help and with the rest of the Warriors title core aging fast) and where he is now.
right. right. My bad...Tatum's rookie year (Brown 2nd year) playoff run with Terry Rozier at PG was all the evidence needed for the JAYs to be handed the car keysYes but what I meant is that JT and JB really got to grow during that year without Gordan for the entire year and Kryie for much of it. The playoff run without those two really helped IMO JB and JT to grow.
They wouldn't have developed nearly as quickly if those two were taking up all of the usage %s.
I was talking more about 80s-90s’ that thread is more mid 2ks. Here’s what I dug up:I agree that they weren't selling out Oracle all the time or anything. But the Oakland Dubs drew a decent crowd regardless.
This reddit thread looks at Oracle attendance
The thing is--Poole, Wiggins and Porter were legitimately very good NBA players in 2022. Wiggins was a borderline all-star player that was a dependable wing defender and could create his own shot. Poole was a highly-valued bench scorer that was seen as a future star in the league. It wasn't like Curry dragged some shitty players to a ring, those guys were hugely important and valuable pieces, who quickly after that saw their careers go downhill (even while they were still playing for the Warriors!) after the 2022 title.I've written these here before:
-The mediocre careers of all of those Warrior role players (Poole, Wiggins, Porter)
-The Celtics winning the title in dominant fashion 2 years later
-Durant not making any deep playoff runs
This has all combined to give Curry's legacy a real boost. It's amazing to think where he was after 2020 (a small, possibly injury prone guard in his 30s without Durant to help and with the rest of the Warriors title core aging fast) and where he is now.
Whether he likes it or not….the best thing for Curry’s career would be a change of scenery to reenergize his game. It would also be the best thing for the Warriors while they could still get something back for him.I'm sure he could still be amazing on a better team, but Steph looks old now.
Yeah, I mean the stats are still amazing (although you can see the minutes going down). He could fetch a really crazy return if he went to the right team, and he'd be giving SF a final big present on his way out.Whether he likes it or not….the best thing for Curry’s career would be a change of scenery to reenergize his game. It would also be the best thing for the Warriors while they could still get something back for him.
Chase Center won't fill itself and the tech bros aren't likely to show up for Kuminga, TJD, Podz, Moody and whatever young pieces Curry might net in a trade. There aren't enough affluent, league-pass-following families ("dad we got the Rockets picks and Amen!") in the Bay Area to buy these tickets. Maybe Lacob is more bold than we think but they are likely going to ride the decline...I think they are in a place not unlike the Celtics when they did the KG-PP deal - a .500 team with 'upside' who (as a practical matter) had topped out in terms of contention level.
Today's GS team has more roster upside - Kuminga, Moody, Podz all have more potential than any young Celtic on that 2013 roster (though one can argue Avery Bradley fitting in below Kuminga, I suppose). But they are in a tougher conference and while Draymond is still there, I'd argue he's less today than either PP or Garnett was, which means they have less playoff upside from the existing guys. That all nets out to a more or less similar situation to me, maybe slightly higher chance GS catches lightning in a bottle in playoffs? But not much.
Anyway, it just shows how hard it was to do what Danny did. Curry means a lot more to the franchise than even PP did, and still....even asking about a trade is hard to picture for me with Steph. There's little question in the five-year view GS is better off trading him, and I completely get why you might not. Though I would ask: if you aren't going to deal Steph, shouldn't you still do other stuff? The post-Steph GS team is going nowhere, and you're better off being awful than 30ish wins-bad. To me - they should either deal for Butler and see if they can make a last run or deal everyone other than Steph and MAYBE Kuminga for the best assets they can get for future and let Steph have a swansogn send-off year. A declining team that can't really compete is not actually going to help anyone. Just ask the late Bird era Celtics...
I wonder whether tech bros are *more* likely to understand getting assets for Curry, rather than treading water for a couple more years?Chase Center won't fill itself and the tech bros aren't likely to show up for Kuminga, TJD, Podz, Moody and whatever young pieces Curry might net in a trade. There aren't enough affluent, league-pass-following families ("dad we got the Rockets picks and Amen!") in the Bay Area to buy these tickets. Maybe Lacob is more bold than we think but they are likely going to ride the decline...
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