2024-2025 Sixers: Maxey-mizing or Minimizing?

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The last extension was completely unnecessary, as was noted by a few around here.

Under the current CBA, every contract $$$ needs to be scrutinized since penalties are much more than just ownership money now. BUT people are still operating under the old assumptions
Embiid was coming off a 2nd, 2nd, and 1st in MVP voting. Tell me again why it was unnecessary to keep him around to let him potentially walk the following year? There isn’t a GM in the world who would risk their career in not extending him at that point. Nevermind that it was probably mandated by ownership to begin with.
 

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Embiid was coming off a 2nd, 2nd, and 1st in MVP voting. Tell me again why it was unnecessary to keep him around to let him potentially walk the following year? There isn’t a GM in the world who would risk their career in not extending him at that point. Nevermind that it was probably mandated by ownership to begin with.
Yea this was a no brainer extension. Franchise player, MVP, etc. You figure it out in year 4 or 5 if it goes sideways but you gotta do that
 

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Embiid was coming off a 2nd, 2nd, and 1st in MVP voting. Tell me again why it was unnecessary to keep him around to let him potentially walk the following year? There isn’t a GM in the world who would risk their career in not extending him at that point. Nevermind that it was probably mandated by ownership to begin with.
No, he was coming off a season in which he played fewer than half of the games, and for the 7th straight year, failed to lead his team to the conference finals. I agree they did have to do it (in for a penny, in for a pound), but the extension was signed just 2 months ago, not after his MVP season.
 

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No, he was coming off a season in which he played fewer than half of the games, and for the 7th straight year, failed to lead his team to the conference finals. I agree they did have to do it (in for a penny, in for a pound), but the extension was signed just 2 months ago, not after his MVP season.
Yup, he had 2 guaranteed years left and signed the contract on September 20th, after last year's injuries and Embiid looking meh in the Olympics.

Absolutely not an extension that Philly had to offer.
 

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Yup, he had 2 guaranteed years left and signed the contract on September 20th, after last year's injuries and Embiid looking meh in the Olympics.

Absolutely not an extension that Philly had to offer.
Plus he's into his 30s now. I don't really think Age 33-34 Joel Embiid at Supermax was a contract that had to be signed. This isn't Jrue Holiday.
 

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Yup, he had 2 guaranteed years left and signed the contract on September 20th, after last year's injuries and Embiid looking meh in the Olympics.

Absolutely not an extension that Philly had to offer.
But just think - if they didn’t sign him to this extension, he might threaten to not play.
 

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Paul George airing dirty laundry on pods, Embiid "hunting for the snitch", Maxey (basically) calling Embiid is a lazy fatass........this is pretty wild, even by NBA drama standards.
 

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Embiid was coming off a 2nd, 2nd, and 1st in MVP voting. Tell me again why it was unnecessary to keep him around to let him potentially walk the following year? There isn’t a GM in the world who would risk their career in not extending him at that point. Nevermind that it was probably mandated by ownership to begin with.
You have your dates off Ole Boy

Morey extended him on Sept 20, 2024
1. Embiid looked like a shell of himself in the Summer Olympics.
2. 7-year low 39 games played last season
3. Embiid with the 4th year player option is the cherry on top.
4. $300M over the next 5-years

It feels like his days of contending for MVP are in the rearview mirror.

I figured Morey would wait until next summer. NOPE he pulled the trigger way too early IMO.

These were my thoughts at the beginning of September. It has pretty much played out.
The 76ers were my favorite short this year.

It does feel like Brad/Zarren game'd the new CBA.

Morey did the biggest re-set and has the oddsmakers excited.

That is until Embiid goes down with one of the ailments from his 113 line items.
https://www.foxsports.com/nba/joel-embiid-player-injuries

I'm looking forward to a 31-year-old Embiid signing a MAX extension next summer.
Coincide that with a 34-year-old PG for the next 4 seasons, what could possibly go wrong?
 

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You have your dates off Ole Boy

Morey extended him on Sept 20, 2024
1. Embiid looked like a shell of himself in the Summer Olympics.
2. 7-year low 39 games played last season
3. Embiid with the 4th year player option is the cherry on top.
4. $300M over the next 5-years

It feels like his days of contending for MVP are in the rearview mirror.

I figured Morey would wait until next summer. NOPE he pulled the trigger way too early IMO.

These were my thoughts at the beginning of September. It has pretty much played out.
The 76ers were my favorite short this year.
Thank you, I thought I was crazy. He signed the extension 2 months ago and still had 2 years left. This was not a move that had to be made, especially given his age/brittleness.
 

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Hard for me to say and likely depends on how rest of this season goes. But matching $60M or so of salary won’t be easy for most teams given that they’d likely want to pair Embiid with an existing star.
It's going to have to be for another bad contract. Kawhi and Beal come to mind. Other pieces of course, but I can imagine scenarios where a team wants to dream on Embiid and Philly wants to dream on their overpaid guy, in a year or so.
 

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reunited broken Kawhi and broken George in Philly would be pretty funny, I have to agree.

150 points seems a bit lofty for Embiid to hit this season, no?

But this also explains why they haven't won many games.
"assign NBA players to Hogwarts houses" would be a fun diversion on some off day. Like, D White, obvious Hufflepuff. Embiid, clearly Slytherin. Tatum, definite Gryffindor. But the hat would have trouble with, say, Jaylen.
 

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It's going to have to be for another bad contract. Kawhi and Beal come to mind. Other pieces of course, but I can imagine scenarios where a team wants to dream on Embiid and Philly wants to dream on their overpaid guy, in a year or so.
Even those gawd awful contracts won't cover the $300M in jelly donuts Joel is buying right now.

All jokes aside, Embiid will return to being an All-Star-level player when he plays. BUT expect his "Games Played, Minutes, and Playoff availability" to be spotty and continue to worsen. His stats will look good; it's just that darn injury luck that nobody could have predicted :rolleyes:
 

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Even those gawd awful contracts won't cover the $300M in jelly donuts Joel is buying right now.

All jokes aside, Embiid will return to being an All-Star-level player when he plays. BUT expect his "Games Played, Minutes, and Playoff availability" to be spotty and continue to worsen. His stats will look good; it's just that darn injury luck that nobody could have predicted :rolleyes:
I know what it looks like now, but things change fast. Joel runs together 50 games of Good Joel, and other GMs start salivating.
 

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3-13 is really not promising. I wonder what the worst first 16 games is for a team that won a championship---I bet it is better than that.
 

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Not a title, but Seattle in 1977-78 started 5-17 and fired their coach, hired Lenny Wilkens, and went to the finals. Won it all the next year.

That’s awhile ago. All I got.
 

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3-13 is really not promising. I wonder what the worst first 16 games is for a team that won a championship---I bet it is better than that.
Only one has ever had so much as a losing record: The ABA's Nets in 1973-74, at 6-10.

NBA-wise, that's 8-8 by the 1998-99 Spurs and 1950-51 Royals.
 

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Cmon guys, that’s not the standard. The question is what’s the worst record ever thru 16 gmaes to have made the conference finals. Territory that Slimbiid has never ventured.
 

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Cmon guys, that’s not the standard. The question is what’s the worst record ever thru 16 gmaes to have made the conference finals. Territory that Slimbiid has never ventured.
I know this is a joke but I had some fun with it on a genuine level...

1977-78 Sonics, 4-12 start, lost in 7 to the Bullets in the Finals that year. Know you said conference Finals but still applicable. ABA also had the 4-12 1968-69 Pacers who lost in 5 in the ABA Finals to the Oaks.
 

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Embiid played 39 games last year. What are the odds he plays even that many this season? It seems right now that the most he can possibly play this year is 56 games (that's every game after tonight, while always sitting one half of B2Bs).
I actually count 49 more games plus the 4 he's played for a max of 53
 

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Massive chokejob by Houston: up 8 with (iirc) under 2 minutes left. Tons of crappy possessions on offense and then fouled Maxey on a 3-pointer to let him tie the game.
 

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Massive chokejob by Houston: up 8 with (iirc) under 2 minutes left. Tons of crappy possessions on offense and then fouled Maxey on a 3-pointer to let him tie the game.
All's well that ends well.

Sengun is a hell of a player. And Ime, whatever his flaws off the court, clearly is a top-shelf coach.
 

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One of the keys to success is visualizing your goals:

“The offseason victory lap has long since turned into a desperate sprint toward a more tepid goal: winning enough games to stay within striking distance of a play-in tournament appearance, which team sources estimate will take at least 33 wins in the putrid Eastern Conference. Philadelphia entered the season projected to win 51.5 games.”

So go 30-35 from here, win two play-in games, and then go play Cleveland or Boston in the first round.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42623978/leaks-team-meetings-losses-factors-driving-philadelphia-76ers-dreadful-start

Also, regarding the conversation about the Embiid extension:

“The team and Embiid had sought half a dozen medical opinions before signing him to a three-year, $192.7M extension this September, sources said, and all of those consulted believed his knee could be adequately managed by a combination of strategic rest and procedures to promote healing, which Embiid has been regularly undergoing since last season.”

Dunno. They didn’t ask me, but I probably would have said that if you are on your sixth second opinion, maybe you just wait and see how it goes for a few games.
 

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The fact that the 76ers owe their 1st round pick to OKC (1-6 proteted) for dumping Horford during the 2020/21 season, who then went on to the
2022 Finals
2023 EC finals
2024 Champ
while the 76ers never made it that far even once... makes me smile on a rainy thursday!
 

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The fact that the 76ers owe their 1st round pick to OKC (1-6 proteted) for dumping Horford during the 2020/21 season, who then went on to the
2022 Finals
2023 EC finals
2024 Champ
while the 76ers never made it that far even once... makes me smile on a rainy thursday!
Yep, at some point they're going to have to decide whether to tank to avoid giving up the pick vs. trying to make the play-in. It's delicious.
 

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The fact that the 76ers owe their 1st round pick to OKC (1-6 proteted) for dumping Horford during the 2020/21 season, who then went on to the
2022 Finals
2023 EC finals
2024 Champ
while the 76ers never made it that far even once... makes me smile on a rainy thursday!
Al Horford is much to give THANKS for as a Celtics fan
 

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The fact that the 76ers owe their 1st round pick to OKC (1-6 proteted) for dumping Horford during the 2020/21 season, who then went on to the
2022 Finals
2023 EC finals
2024 Champ
while the 76ers never made it that far even once... makes me smile on a rainy thursday!
People forget that Horford was quite good with Ben Simmons in his year in Philadelphia too. Those lineups were scary.

The 76ers are not a well-run franchise. I think Morey has been decent, all things considered, but his 2024 offseason was overrated. OMG he somehow found room for Eric Gordon, Caleb Martin, and Kelly Oubre!!!!