2024-2025 Sixers: Maxey-mizing or Minimizing?

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Ewing's knees went early on him and he wasn't the same player by the time the Knicks got more competitive in the mid-1990s. He peaked as a player in 1989-1990 and then basically went on a slow decline as the 90s wore on.
Rick Pitino (yeah, I know) doesn't get anywhere enough credit for getting the 88-89 Knicks to 52 wins with Ewing, Mark Jackson, Charles Oakley, inconsistent rookie Rod Strickland, some slightly-better- than-JAGGy-types (Trent Tucker, Johnny Newman, and Gerald Wilkins,) and some corpses (Sidney Green, Kenny "Hey! Isn't the sky up?" Walker, and Kiki "I used to be great but my Dad played for the Knicks in the 1st NBA season" Vandeweghe).
 

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Even with the East as lousy as it is, it's still likely to take at least 45 wins to avoid the play-in.
ATL was in the play-in last year with 36 wins; CHI with 39.

40 games and they should be good to go.

It would be on-brand for CLE if they finished with the 1 seed but got PHI as their first-round opponent . . . .

It would make for an interesting first round if BOS / CLE / PHI / MIL were 1 / 2 / 7 / 8 and NYC, ORL, IND, and say CHI were 3-6.
 

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ATL was in the play-in last year with 36 wins; CHI with 39.

40 games and they should be good to go.

It would be on-brand for CLE if they finished with the 1 seed but got PHI as their first-round opponent . . . .

It would make for an interesting first round if BOS / CLE / PHI / MIL were 1 / 2 / 7 / 8 and NYC, ORL, IND, and say CHI were 3-6.
40 games to get into the play-in, sure, but the post was about avoiding the play-in. Philly won 47 games last year and still couldn't avoid the play-in. I don't think there's any way Philly gets the 6 seed with 40 wins this year, and the 6 seed is the goal for a lot of these teams (both to get the guaranteed playoff spot and to avoid Boston in R1).

*edit - Just saw Embiid was suspended 3 games for shoving the columnist. Dunno how they enforce that when he's already not playing, but whatever, it's a fine.
 

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Let's get the obvious joke out of the way; if the NBA really wanted to punish Embiid, they would make him play instead of forcing him to sit out.
 

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40 games to get into the play-in, sure, but the post was about avoiding the play-in. Philly won 47 games last year and still couldn't avoid the play-in. I don't think there's any way Philly gets the 6 seed with 40 wins this year, and the 6 seed is the goal for a lot of these teams (both to get the guaranteed playoff spot and to avoid Boston in R1).
Sorry misread your post. Eyes too old.
 

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The boy and I went to see the Philly game against Memphis last weekend. No team is going to look great without their two stars, but damn Philly's bench sucks. Brutal basketball. Would have been blown out by 40 if Jared McCain hadn't had himself a night and Eric Gordon hadn't gone on a brief heater. Maxey's fun, though, so at least they have that.

Related note: one of my son's buddies came to the game with us and brought his Temple roommate... that kid made quite the sartorial choice, donning a Mets hat, then proved that teens pair a sense of immortality with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex by getting into it with a drunk 76ers fan about the comparative superiority of New York and Philly sports teams. Had to pull him away before he got his ass kicked.
 

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40 games to get into the play-in, sure, but the post was about avoiding the play-in. Philly won 47 games last year and still couldn't avoid the play-in. I don't think there's any way Philly gets the 6 seed with 40 wins this year, and the 6 seed is the goal for a lot of these teams (both to get the guaranteed playoff spot and to avoid Boston in R1).

*edit - Just saw Embiid was suspended 3 games for shoving the columnist. Dunno how they enforce that when he's already not playing, but whatever, it's a fine.
The suspension is primarily about losing 3 games of pay. It’s the vehicle required to be able to fine him.
 

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Yeah it's starting to feel like if they don't play at a 60 win pace when embiid/george/maxey are all healthy, they won't even make the play in.
You may see a 29-win team in the EC play-in if the deck falls right. This could actually be quite comical with 4-5 teams fighting for the final spot with 50+ losses.
 

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You may see a 29-win team in the EC play-in if the deck falls right. This could actually be quite comical with 4-5 teams fighting for the final spot with 50+ losses.
Wouldn't be a huge shock, but just for [brief] historical context, the average 10 seed has won 40 games (if we apply the 2021 winning percentages to a full 82 game season). Just once has a team won fewer than 35 games (the 2022 Spurs won 34 games). If a team actually gets into the play-in with < 30 wins and it doesn't spur a change to the current playoff format, I don't think anything will.
 

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Some teams that thought they were tanking could end up in the play-in.
W/L records this time of year can be misleading with strength of schedules weighed so differently without a larger sample. I’d argue that the Clippers have been the most impressive team as far as overperforming to this point at 4-4 with a brutal schedule while teams like Cleveland, Golden State, and even Boston have had cakewalks.
 

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It's pretty far down the list of problems, but Caleb Martin is shooting 33.8% from the field and 20% from 3 (after he shot a thoroughly average 43.1% and 34.9% last year). No depth + injury-prone stars = 15th place in the East.

I also just realized that I'm never getting over the 2023 ECF. Not even a title could wipe away the taste of this guy somehow turning into an all-star for 2 weeks.
 

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It's pretty far down the list of problems, but Caleb Martin is shooting 33.8% from the field and 20% from 3 (after he shot a thoroughly average 43.1% and 34.9% last year). No depth + injury-prone stars = 15th place in the East.

I also just realized that I'm never getting over the 2023 ECF. Not even a title could wipe away the taste of this guy somehow turning into an all-star for 2 weeks.
think of it this way. If Caleb hadn’t gone ballastic, POBOBS might not have gotten KP. Caleb ended up doing us a favor - and maybe was the peak of this iteration of MIA.
 

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I also just realized that I'm never getting over the 2023 ECF. Not even a title could wipe away the taste of this guy somehow turning into an all-star for 2 weeks.
In fairness, the 2022 Bucks and Heat probably feel the same way about getting the brunt of the 6 months that TimeLord was playing at a DPOY level, his never-come-again good ol' days.

History is like a wheel, as that sig quote that someone has here (@Nick Kaufman ?) reminds us.
 

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In fairness, the 2022 Bucks and Heat probably feel the same way about getting the brunt of the 6 months that TimeLord was playing at a DPOY level, his never-come-again good ol' days.

History is like a wheel, as that sig quote that someone has here (@Nick Kaufman ?) reminds us.
That was TL at his peak for sure, but he was a beast that whole season. 2nd team all-defense and got some DPOY votes, anyone who knows anything knows that that season (and those series when he wasn't even 100%) wasn't a fluke, injuries have just robbed him of the career he should be having. He also played just a combined 206 minutes against both Milwaukee and Miami - Martin played 249 in the 2023 ECF. Martin's incredible series against Boston came out of nowhere, looking nothing like he did for that entire season before and after the Boston series, and looking nothing like the rest of his career.
 

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That was TL at his peak for sure, but he was a beast that whole season. 2nd team all-defense and got some DPOY votes, anyone who knows anything knows that that season (and those series when he wasn't even 100%) wasn't a fluke, injuries have just robbed him of the career he should be having. He also played just a combined 206 minutes against both Milwaukee and Miami - Martin played 249 in the 2023 ECF. Martin's incredible series against Boston came out of nowhere, looking nothing like he did for that entire season before and after the Boston series, and looking nothing like the rest of his career.
Have to give credit to Miami for recognizing they got all the juice from Martin (and Strus) and let some other schmuck sign them.
Duncan taught them a valuable lesson for overpaying Spoelstra-sponsored miracles.
 

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Rookie Jarred McCain has easily been there best player this season, dude is shining.
 

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I swear that most of the Sixers team go stale and don't move or cut because they can tell when Embiid is in foul baiting mood.
 

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who would you rather have - McCain, Cam Thomas, or Pritchard?
Too early to say really on McCain. Cam Thomas to me is a losing player--a guy who can score inefficiently and doesn't do anything else and also needs the ball a lot to be effective. If he eventually gets on a good team he could be a Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams type, but I just don't think his style or his attitude are conducive to winning. Crawford and Williams had a professionalism and comfortability coming off the bench as scorers for very good teams, something that it underrated and why a lot of talented-but-flawed scorers never materialize into having the kinds of careers Crawford and Williams had.

Pritchard we know can play a valuable role on a title winning team and can be effective off-ball. None of these guys are going to be good defenders, but I'd wager Pritchard is the most active and intelligent in terms of knowing where to be, albeit the most physically limited. Pritchard is the oldest, but also has shown a great trajectory of consistent improvement dating back to his college career. He has gotten notably better pretty much every year.

McCain is off to a torrid start, but most likely is going to come back down to Earth. Right now he would probably have the highest ceiling of the three players, just based on how he has started and it doesn't seem crazy to think he could one day be a legit star player in the league if he can find this level consistently.
 

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86 points, 14 in the 4th quarter - that's something.

Starters Lowry and Martin combining for 7 points, 5 boards, and 4 assists in 61 minutes. That's kind of hard to do.

McCain looks great as a Maxey proxy. They need to get rid of Lowry. His on-court is a -13.7 and his one calling card was being a consistently + player. His minutes really need to go to anyone else.
 

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If Embiid ever wins a ring I’m going to be heart broken. I hate his basketball so much.
I have some good news involving James Harden's career.

- Ugly foul grifter who made the game worse
- MVP you can squint and say was deserved, but was kinda a lifetime-achievement award
- Constant playoff disappointments as the #1 option for his team
- Only went to one Finals in 15 years (despite making the playoffs every single year), and it was as the #3 guy on the team (and lost it anyway)
 

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Too early to say really on McCain. Cam Thomas to me is a losing player--a guy who can score inefficiently and doesn't do anything else and also needs the ball a lot to be effective. If he eventually gets on a good team he could be a Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams type, but I just don't think his style or his attitude are conducive to winning. Crawford and Williams had a professionalism and comfortability coming off the bench as scorers for very good teams, something that it underrated and why a lot of talented-but-flawed scorers never materialize into having the kinds of careers Crawford and Williams had.

Pritchard we know can play a valuable role on a title winning team and can be effective off-ball. None of these guys are going to be good defenders, but I'd wager Pritchard is the most active and intelligent in terms of knowing where to be, albeit the most physically limited. Pritchard is the oldest, but also has shown a great trajectory of consistent improvement dating back to his college career. He has gotten notably better pretty much every year.

McCain is off to a torrid start, but most likely is going to come back down to Earth. Right now he would probably have the highest ceiling of the three players, just based on how he has started and it doesn't seem crazy to think he could one day be a legit star player in the league if he can find this level consistently.
I’m impressed that McCain got up 17 shots last night playing with Embiid and George. It will be interesting to see how he does with Maxey back.

I thought Cam Thomas had a real shot to lead the league in scoring this year but alas, BRK is better than people thought and Cam is only 13.

Limited athletic bucket getters may be the new market inefficiency!
 

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I find the sixers season one of the only few things to bring me happiness since nov 5.

PG games over 20 since the season started: 1

PG podcast episodes since the season started: 3