2024-2025 MiLB Offseason

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It's actually kinda crazy we left that much money on the table instead of dumping it into lottery tickets. Now THAT is Henry being cheap!!
Most of the types of lottery tickets still available now can be had for like $5k max. Not sure why they were so far under budget this year. I know last year it was because they de-comitted from a $1m guy.

Now I hate this trade with the passion of only a single thousand suns.
He's coming around! Feels like there has to be easier ways to get a Narvaez-level catcher than giving up a guy like ERod.
 

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Most of the types of lottery tickets still available now can be had for like $5k max. Not sure why they were so far under budget this year. I know last year it was because they de-comitted from a $1m guy.



He's coming around! Feels like there has to be easier ways to get a Narvaez-level catcher than giving up a guy like ERod.
Getting soft in my old age. Next thing you know I will be doling out a gentleman’s 5 on the main board.

I would have preferred to select Brandon Valenzuela in the Rule 5 draft, sign Will Banfield as a minor league free agent, or trade for Jair Camargo or Hunter Feduccia. None of those are especially good ideas (perhaps Feduccia), but all of them would have been preferable to this disasterpiece. Narvaez is negligibly better than Stephen Scott, who the Red Sox released in spring training. At least Jorge Alfaro had cool hair.
 

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Any idea what the whole supinator/pronator thing means in the context of pitching performance? In reference to these tweets from 'Pat'
 

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I think it's kind of wild how many people would rather trade Mayer than Teel. People both sleeping on Mayer & overestimating any other SS we have in the system.
Same man, same. The other shortstops are either far away or probably better at other positions. It’s pretty rare for shortstop to truly be a position of depth in any system tbh. So many of these guys flame out, or can’t hang on D and move to less premium positions.

I’m convinced Mayer is dealing with some JD Drewitis amongst some fans because the team isn’t letting him play through minor injuries.
 

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I love it. Great nickname. First I heard it was a couple of weeks ago from hob.

Super excited today that Yordanny is still floating around too. Really hoping to see him continue to dominate (this time in AA) despite rumors of his mediocrity. If he does, perhaps folks will start taking him more seriously.
 

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I love it. Great nickname. First I heard it was a couple of weeks ago from hob.

Super excited today that Yordanny is still floating around too. Really hoping to see him continue to dominate (this time in AA) despite rumors of his mediocrity. If he does, perhaps folks will start taking him more seriously.
Selfishly I am hoping to see him for a few outings in the Woo next year.
 

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The '25 R5 list is now updated with the survivors of the '24 one...

https://soxprospects.com/rule5.htm

Some quickie thoughts...

December 2025

Karim Ayubi
Alex Binelas

Miguel Bleis - Bleis should be in AA by like June & should need protecting assuming he is still what I think he is.

Caleb Bolden
Jonathan Brand
Taylor Broadway

Allan Castro - Big year coming up for Castro. Had 117 (very bad, 52 wRC+) PAs in AA last year. I would be a bit surprised if he becomes exciting, but one still has to root for it. All of his power (14 of 15 homers, 20 of 23 doubles in '24) comes as a LHH.

Juan Chacon

Isaac Coffey - Has earned a place in AAA rotation after putting up a 3.17 ERA in 113.2 IP in AA last year, 11.7 k/9, 4 bb/9. Seems like there will be a lot of competition for those roles, though, when you factor in the possibilities of Priester, Fitts, Dobbins, Criswell, Winck, Drohan, Penrod, Gambrell, Fulmer, Murphy, Mata, etc.

Nathanael Cruz

Noah Dean - Thought the Noah Dean hate from SP went too far in '23 & the love went too far in '24. I think it's about time to see what he can do in a 2-3 inning role & whether they actually have something there.

Kelvin Diaz
Matt Donlan

Shane Drohan - Drohan turns 26 next month & is no longer that super promising guy who dominated for 6 starts to the start the year for Portland in '23: 34 IP, 1.32 ERA, 0.82 WHIP, 9.5 k/9, 2.4 bb/9. Is that guy still in there somewhere? That would be a pretty awesome bonus.

Nate Eaton
Max Ferguson

Nathan Hickey - Red Sox are still short a high-level catcher or 2 unless they're looking to run back the Hickey at catcher for Worcester experiment again. I think he has a chance for a bit of a bounce back season if he focuses on 1B (with Dalbec & Niko gone) & hitting.

Alex Hoppe - After a very impressive pro-debut in '23 across A+ & AA, Hoppe was expected to start the year closing for Portland & to make it to Worcester. He missed the first couple weeks of the season due to I believe a lat issue & never really got into the groove for most of the year. He did finish fairly strong in the last 31 days or so: 19.2 IP, 3.20 ERA, 9 bb, 22 k. He turns 26 this month & hopefully the hard throwing righty will be back to making an impact & potentially even earning a look with the Red Sox by the end of the year.

Blaze Jordan - Big year for Blaze. He kind of stalled out last year but was derailed by a couple flukey injuries & a 98 wRC+ as a 21 y/o in AA isn't awful. I think there's room for a leap & for him to become interesting again.

Ahbram Liendo
Enderso Lira

CJ Liu - Healthy year from Liu would be nice. Only pitched 21 innings last year, all between May 9th & July 5th. Has some interesting stuff that might play in the pen.

Andy Lugo - Lugo doesn't turn 21 until March & was good in A-Ball (120 wRC+) & not so good in 79 high-A PAs (72 wRC+). He was in the SP Top 60 prior to missing the whole '23 season with injury & I think he'll hop back in this year & probably get to AA before the end of the year. Don't think he'll be far enough along to need protecting, though.

Marcelo Mayer - Decent little ballplayer when healthy. Looking forward to seeing what he can do in Worcester this year.

Tyler McDonough
Daniel McElveny
Alvaro Mejias
Tyler Miller

Yordanny Monegro - YORDANNY. Probably visiting my family in Boston later in the Summer next year. May try to get to a Yordanny game.

Juan Montero

Hayden Mullins - LHP with fun stuff. May end up profiling as a reliever but should probably start the season in the Portland rotation after a year in Greenville.

Christian Nunez
Wyatt Olds

Jedixson Paez - JEDI! Curious to see what it will take to get Paez some respect. A 10.9 k/9 to 1.1 bb/9 as a 20 y/o in High-A didn't seem to do it. But if he can add a bit more velo...

Eybersson Polanco
Luis Ravelo
Eduardo Rivera
Dalton Rogers
Ronald Rosario
Corey Rosier

David Sandlin - Kind of a muddy year for Sandlin where the ERAs (5.12 in A+ & 5.61 in AA) far underperformed the underlying stuff (2.81 & 3.46 xFIP). Had severe home run & BABIP problems. Not sure if that's a result of bad luck or some bad pitches, but definitely room for growth. Only threw 57.1 innings. Still a lot to be excited about as hopefully he can put together a healthy & dominant season in AA & perhaps beyond. The stuff is nasty.

Michael Sansone
Armando Sierra
Phillip Sikes
Adam Smith

Noah Song - Song is 27 1/2 & has a grand total of 49.2 professional innings. Pretty crazy. Looks like he had his TJ surgery in early April, so probably will be 28 before getting to add to that total.

Cristofer Soriano

Christopher Troye - Troye is in that Hoppe group of older college relievers who impressed in '23 but failed for much of '24. Troye was quite successful for the last 7 weeks or so: 25.2 IP, 2.81 ERA, 16 bb, 32 k... his 5.6 bb/9 during that stretch lowered his season total to 6.2... which was significantly better than '23 when he walked 7.8 per 9 in AA. Basically, dude needs to figure out where his pitches are going because the stuff plays.

Tyler Uberstine
Brian Van Belle
Diego Viloria
Jacob Webb
Jeremy Wu-Yelland

I would post about some more of these guys, but I already wasted wayyyyyy too much time on this.
 

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Looking at this page, the Red Sox seem extremely low on hitters in the system at this point.

https://soxprospects.com/2025.htm

It's been an interesting pivot. Lots of holes to fill in Worcester for retread hitters... but no room for the retread pitchers. At all. The lack of outfielders is especially wild.

We're getting to the point of saturation of pitchers that almost every inning at every level should be an interesting one, which is pretty fun.
 

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I read that as "YORDANNY. Probably visiting my family in boston" and thought man, you guys really are tight. No wonder JM3 is such a big booster of this guy.
 

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I love it. Great nickname. First I heard it was a couple of weeks ago from hob.

Super excited today that Yordanny is still floating around too. Really hoping to see him continue to dominate (this time in AA) despite rumors of his mediocrity. If he does, perhaps folks will start taking him more seriously.
Apparently the answer is in his SoxProspects scouting report...

Career Notes: Older brother of Red Sox minor league catcher Johanfran Garcia. Was given the nickname “The Password†on Twitter in October 2021 by @insidefastball because of his unique first name, and Garcia saw the tweet and adopted the moniker. The nickname did not catch until 2024 during his breakout in Greenville.
https://soxprospects.com/players/garcia-jhostynxon.htm

View: https://twitter.com/InsideFastball/status/1445180111280541699
 

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I was wondering how the White Sox were planning to deploy Teel, Edgar Quero, and Korey Lee. Lee is no longer a prospect and never was on the level of Teel or Quero but does have legitimate power and has improved behind the plate after spending much of his amateur career at multiple positions. Quero does not need to be added to the 40-man roster until after next season and Teel a year beyond that. I would be surprised if the White Sox accelerated either timeline but, even if Teel begins next season in Double-A, it seems likely that he would join Quero in Triple-A by mid-summer.
 

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I was wondering how the White Sox were planning to deploy Teel, Edgar Quero, and Korey Lee. Lee is no longer a prospect and never was on the level of Teel or Quero but does have legitimate power and has improved behind the plate after spending much of his amateur career at multiple positions. Quero does not need to be added to the 40-man roster until after next season and Teel a year beyond that. I would be surprised if the White Sox accelerated either timeline but, even if Teel begins next season in Double-A, it seems likely that he would join Quero in Triple-A by mid-summer.
Last year Quero (switch hitter) had a .775 OPS against righties & 1.025 against lefties (in '23 he was also over .200 higher against lefties), so a platoon+ situation seems like it could certainly work, especially if Teel can competently play LF sometimes.

Lee is 26 & had a career high 64 wRC+ (-0.4 fWAR) last year, -26.7 bb-k, in 394 PAs. Seems like if he's gotten good enough at hitting by the time Quero & Teel are ready, he'd make a fine trade chip.
 

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I know this isn't the right forum but I'm so opposed to the Sox getting a full time player just because they need a batter who hits lefties. There's perfectly adequate platoon players out there. Using 2024 WRC+ there's Pillar (139), Laureano (139), Austin Hayes (167), Cahnab(124), Donovan Solano (134)... All these guys should be cheap platoon players.
 

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I know this isn't the right forum but I'm so opposed to the Sox getting a full time player just because they need a batter who hits lefties. There's perfectly adequate platoon players out there. Using 2024 WRC+ there's Pillar (139), Laureano (139), Austin Hayes (167), Cahnab(124), Donovan Solano (134)... All these guys should be cheap platoon players.
Romy (142), Refsnyder (160)

They could use more hitters who could hit everyone, but yeah.
 

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I know this isn't the right forum but I'm so opposed to the Sox getting a full time player just because they need a batter who hits lefties. There's perfectly adequate platoon players out there. Using 2024 WRC+ there's Pillar (139), Laureano (139), Austin Hayes (167), Cahnab(124), Donovan Solano (134)... All these guys should be cheap platoon players.
I feel the same way. If I squint I can see a fit for a guy like Teoscar or Bregman, but I feel like they are moderate upgrades at best over what is already here, and especially what should be here by the middle of the season.

Sadly, I think a lot of fans who are not on SoSH (and some who are) are going to revolt if they don't spend money on a long term contract this offseason, consequences be damned.

I am hopeful that the July lineup includes a resurgent Vaughn Grissom, a healthy Trevor Story and a RotY candidate Kristian Campbell, and then the need for a RHH is pretty much completely gone.
 

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Eduardo Lopez to the Phillies.
I was going through my Prospect Rankings spreadsheet to remove guys & realized Eduardo Lopez was actually a Dombrowski acquisition as an IFA for $1,150,000 in July 2018. I guess not surprising he would want to add him. The 22 y/o had a 120 wRC+ in his 2nd season in Greenville.
 

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I just watched a TikTok where Dylan Cease was asked if he could play 162 games in any away park which would it be. He chose Fenway because it's "very classic, very vintage, very demure".

Make it happen Theo.
 
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I had to look this acronym up (Prospect Promotion Incentive) and saw this qualification: • "Places top three for the AL or NL MVP before qualifying for arbitration". It raised a question with me:
Triston Casas is eligible as a member of the Rookie class of 2023. IF he were to be traded to the Pirates or Mariners, and IF he were to win the 2025 AL or NL MVP ... all plausible ...do the Sox still own the PPI pick or does it get attached to him in the trade?
 

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If they're traded after their debut, they lose PPI eligibility, so nobody would get a pick.
 

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That conflicts with mlb's own article:
PPI eligibility only extends to the clubs for which prospects make their MLB debuts. If a prospect is traded after making his debut, his PPI eligibility is nullified for his new club, even if he still has rookie status.

For example, No. 63 overall prospect Joey Ortiz debuted last year with the Orioles but still had his rookie eligibility for 2024. However, he was recently traded to the Brewers in the Corbin Burnes deal, so despite landing on at least two of three preseason Top 100 lists, Ortiz won't net Milwaukee an additional pick no matter what he accomplishes in 2024.
 

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That conflicts with mlb's own article:
PPI eligibility only extends to the clubs for which prospects make their MLB debuts. If a prospect is traded after making his debut, his PPI eligibility is nullified for his new club, even if he still has rookie status.

For example, No. 63 overall prospect Joey Ortiz debuted last year with the Orioles but still had his rookie eligibility for 2024. However, he was recently traded to the Brewers in the Corbin Burnes deal, so despite landing on at least two of three preseason Top 100 lists, Ortiz won't net Milwaukee an additional pick no matter what he accomplishes in 2024.
That was written 2/5/2024. This one dated 3/28/24 ( Here Are The Potential PPI-Eligible Players Who Made Opening Day Rosters ) contradicts the contradiction:" ... also, Michael Busch and Joey Ortiz have been added. Both were traded in the offseason, keeping potential PPI eligibility intact. Only players traded in-season lose PPI eligibility." Thank you for your help. I'm self-aware I am picking nits. Edit that's a true thank you, not sarcasm.
 

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So I called my dad & we were talking for a while & the conversation turned to the Red Sox. I asked him what he thought about the off season & he said he thought it was going well & he saw that I gave the Crochet trade an 8.

He also mentioned Al saying he was no me & enjoyed Logan's Dad's 180 on the trade.

& then I said something about being excited we're keeping YORDANNY & he's like who? & then he's like who's this Password guy? So I pronounce (yos-TIN-son) & spell Jhostynxon's name for him & tell him a bit about him... but he has no idea who Yordanny is.

How is he reading my posts in here with no clue who YORDANNY is???

So this is for you dad...

This was my 1st ever post about Yordanny from June '23:

Another fun young pitcher to look out for...

Yordanny Monegro signed for $35k in February 2020. 6'4, 20 y/o. Wasn't particularly good in FCL last year, but might have made a leap.

View: https://twitter.com/IanCundall/status/1671240245025677313
This is how he finished his season in Greenville this year...

9 GS (6-0)
44 IP
2 ER (0.41 ERA)
17 hits (.114 BAA)
14 bb (2.9 bb/9)
54 k (11 k/9)
& here are some highlights:

View: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1702485236825600145


View: https://twitter.com/RedSoxPlayerDev/status/1824141474281193596


View: https://twitter.com/RedSoxPlayerDev/status/1821622406282408103

View: https://twitter.com/RedSoxPlayerDev/status/1830708526756569383


Love you dad!
 

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Vogatsky was a 19th round senior sign from James Madison U after Toronto failed to sign him in the 14th round in 2023. Was assigned to the FCL but doesn't look like he ever debuted. He was a closer in college.
 

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The #RedSox today acquired minor league RHP Joe Vogatsky from the Pittsburgh Pirates, in exchange for INF/OF Enmanuel Valdez.
I guess a '24 19th round pick is better than nothing.

View: https://twitter.com/ggeiss_mlb/status/1868333935849267205

That is a funky delivery.

View: https://twitter.com/IanCundall/status/1868337738295963818

& anytime you can add someone "deceptive & dirty" to your org...

View: https://twitter.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1868334042082664839

View: https://twitter.com/tylermilliken_/status/1868333425444401588
 

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AAA experience:

Roman - 162 wRC+ in 164 PAs
KCamp - 139 wRC+ in 85 PAs
Valid - counterpoint is that Campbell is 2 years older, played another 45 games of higher level college baseball at Georgia Tech, and can play a position of immediate need in the infield, while there are other viable outfielders on the roster.
 

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Valid - counterpoint is that Campbell is 2 years older, played another 45 games of higher level college baseball at Georgia Tech, and can play a position of immediate need in the infield, while there are other viable outfielders on the roster.
Valid - countercounterpoint is that Roman is better at baseball.
 

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Difficult to understand how the Pirates could have acquired a fringe 40-man player of limited use to his former team without surrendering Zander Mueth or Matt Ager.