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Anderson is a 6'3 RHP who went to FSU & was drafted in the 16th round in '21 after being drafted in the 36th round out of HS in '18 by the Yankees. He's 25.

The said AA, but he only pitched in A+ (49.1 IP, 2.92 ERA) & AAA (17 IP, 5.82 ERA) last year.

We passed in the 5th round. Most teams are done at this point.
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6'3" pitcher, you say? That's on the shorter side of what the Brain Trust prefers for it's pitchers.

So, your boy Yordanny is safe?
 
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I'm kind of ok with the Crochet trade... but it really needs to be part of a bigger plan which involves the acquisition of a long-term catcher (Murphy?) & the expenditure of significant cash (Burnes? Teoscar?).

So we shall see if other shoes drop.
 
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Not sure how much I've talked about this... but I have had some nagging concerns about Teel. He's really polished & I was definitely hoping he would be the Red Sox catcher for 10+ years... but I'm not completely sold on his bat speed, he's undersized, & while he's athletic for a catcher, he wasn't great catching runners last year (20% at both AA & AAA) & there are some defensive flags that have popped up that weren't as concerning in '23.

I was weighing bumping Montgomery ahead of him. But now they're both gone & it's moot. Anyway, they need to fill that hole until JOHANFRAN gets there.
 
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JM3 said:
I'm kind of ok with the Crochet trade... but it really needs to be part of a bigger plan which involves the acquisition of a long-term catcher (Murphy?) & the expenditure of significant cash (Burnes? Teoscar?).

So we shall see if other shoes drop.
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I'm ambivalent about Burnes and Teoscar.

Let's get a good catcher and another strong bullpen arm and use that cash to fire up the extension machine.
 
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simplicio said:
I'm ambivalent about Burnes and Teoscar.

Let's get a good catcher and another strong bullpen arm and use that cash to fire up the extension machine.
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Yeah, neither are particularly likely to be good investments. They should absolutely flex their financial power, though. Extensions seems like a reasonable avenue.
 
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JM3 said:
Anderson is a 6'3 RHP who went to FSU & was drafted in the 16th round in '21 after being drafted in the 36th round out of HS in '18 by the Yankees. He's 25.

They said AA, but he only pitched in A+ (49.1 IP, 2.92 ERA) & AAA (17 IP, 5.82 ERA) last year.

We passed in the 5th round. Most teams are done at this point.
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On the surface, Anderson is a nice looking pickup. Reliever, not young, but in his second full year at the A+ level increased his K and lowered his BB rate to 9.1/1.3 per 9 and his xFIP was identical to his ERA. Gotta figure the Sox will put him into AA and see how he does.

Medina with some LOL K rates but Marlins never elevated him above A-ball. Looks like they were maybe trying to get him to improve his control, as his 2023 walk rate at A was close to 4 bb/9, and 1.3 hr/9, and then they brought him back down to their CPX (Florida complex?) for most of 2024 where he posted 15.9 k/9, 2.2 bb/9, and zero home runs in 20 innings. Still just 22 years old.
 
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On the surface, Anderson is a nice looking pickup. Reliever, not young, but in his second full year at the A+ level increased his K and lowered his BB rate to 9.1/1.3 per 9 and his xFIP was identical to his ERA. Gotta figure the Sox will put him into AA and see how he does.
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I'm idly curious what was going on in the Tigers system last year to make them say f AA, he's going straight to AAA.

Anderson was 1 of 3 guys to jump AA on August 1st:

View: https://twitter.com/EmilyCWaldon/status/1819101629414846585

After pitching 3 hitless innings (2 unearned runs) in AAA, he went back to A+ for 4 more games before finishing the season in AAA.

Looks like Erie (AA) was in the playoff push & that's where they keep their more serious prospects.
 
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I was curious about that new sinker... he threw 50 of them on the season & opponents had a .120 XWOBA against it... we could see Crochet leveling up as he incorporates that pitch into his arsenal...
 
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I was curious about that new sinker... he threw 50 of them on the season & opponents had a .120 XWOBA against it... we could see Crochet leveling up as he incorporates that pitch into his arsenal...
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I'd see if he'd take a $100 million or whatever for 6 years deal on day 1. Last he seemed to indicate that he values security. This is the kind of financial risk I'd be happy for the Sox to take, basically front loading money when we have a ton of space for a guy with enormous promise and little track record.
 
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I think it's kind of wild how many people would rather trade Mayer than Teel. People both sleeping on Mayer & overestimating any other SS we have in the system.
 
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LoLsapien said:
I'd see if he'd take a $100 million or whatever for 6 years deal on day 1. Last he seemed to indicate that he values security. This is the kind of financial risk I'd be happy for the Sox to take, basically front loading money when we have a ton of space for a guy with enormous promise and little track record.
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I think I would comfortably do 6/$130m+. & if he's willing to do a decent AAV discount, I could be talked into a rest-of-the-career type deal. As crazy as that sounds.
 
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I think it's kind of wild how many people would rather trade Mayer than Teel. People both sleeping on Mayer & overestimating any other SS we have in the system.
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Agreed. I get the injury concern with Mayer, but the dude has been awesome when he has been on the field.
 
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LogansDad said:
Agreed. I get the injury concern with Mayer, but the dude has been awesome when he has been on the field.
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I suspect if the trade had included Mayer instead of Teel, we'd have the same people complaining. I have't even ventured onto the main board about the trade, it's just too depressing and toxic over there.
 
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LogansDad said:
Agreed. I get the injury concern with Mayer, but the dude has been awesome when he has been on the field.
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It's a silly scouting metric, but he just looks so comfortable playing baseball that I can't see Mayer failing.

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I suspect if the trade had included Mayer instead of Teel, we'd have the same people complaining. I have't even ventured onto the main board about the trade, it's just too depressing and toxic over there.
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Most of the most negative people don't GAF about prospects, so the reception is more positive than usual. But several people have stated that they wish it was Mayer & not Teel who went out. I think mostly a positional scarcity argument.
 
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Yeah for me the questions are a) could Mayer have gotten this done without Montgomery and b) just how much of a barren wasteland is our catching depth now?
 
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Yeah for me the questions are a) could Mayer have gotten this done without Montgomery and b) just how much of a barren wasteland is our catching depth now?
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It's bleak. Nathan Hickey is not a catcher. Elih Marrero could probably be an MLB catcher on defense but don't think he could ever hit over like .170 & is an MLFA anyway.

They drafted Hudson White last year in the 9th round & he's supposed to be a defense 1st guy, but the 63 wRC+ in 69 PAs in A+ as a 22 y/o and 15.6% cs isn't really moving the needle for me.

Ronald Rosario is ~ok but seems like an org guy. Enderso Lira seems less than that.

Brooks Brannon has a semi-intriguing bat but he doesn't seem like he will be able to stick at catcher.

Guys like Musett & Kleyver are somewhat interesting, but are very far away.

Johanfran is the guy who has the highest chance of being a competent MLB catcher... but he just turned 20 a few days ago & has all of 128 A-Ball PAs.
 
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I think the "I'd rather trade Mayer than Teel" folks are sometimes actually meaning "I'd rather trade Mayer for fair value than Teel for fair value." Basically, Mayer + something less than Montgomery over Teel + Montgomery. I haven't seen many people who would actually rank Teel above Mayer.
 
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ZMart100 said:
I think the "I'd rather trade Mayer than Teel" folks are sometimes actually meaning "I'd rather trade Mayer for fair value than Teel for fair value." Basically, Mayer + something less than Montgomery over Teel + Montgomery. I haven't seen many people who would actually rank Teel above Mayer.
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That's not how I read any of these posts:

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I hate hate hate this.

Watching Connor Wong catch was the thing I hated most about the 2024 Red Sox and now they are not only not fixing that, they are actively ensuring I have to keep doing it forever.

Would have much preferred Mayer going.
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BeantownIdaho said:
Dang... really wanted it to be Mayer with 3 of our top prospects SS. Have to give up good guys to get good guys though.
If we grab Burnes, our pitching will look very good.
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Devizier said:
Expensive, but a fair deal. Like many others, I would have rather the Sox dealt from organizational depth in the middle infield (Mayer) and I’m sure they tried. Good catchers are scarce, even in the prospect pipelines. MLB has 20 players with shortstop experience in their top 100 and only 7 catchers.

I will be a lot happier if they can ink Crochet to an extension.
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Big Papi's Mango Salsa said:
I adore this move.

Would I have rather given up Mayer or even Abreu (based on what the Red Sox otherwise have) - yes. But as was mentioned upthread, they already have Colson Montgomery and you have to give to get. If I'd have rather given up Abreu then it stands to reason that I can see why ChW said they needed Teel instead.



It is a lot. But they were never, never, never going to pay for Burnes or Fried and if you want a top of the rotation starter (of which Crochet was last year and has the potential to be here for a long time, because I have to assume they're going to extend him, and you don't have any top level pitching prospects to include, you're going to have to pretty massively overpay for pitching.

I look at it the other way - Breslow had to get his guy and ****ing got him. After the past 5 years, it was nice to see some actual conviction applied to the MLB rotation.



He's not. He's CAA.
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bosox1534 said:
This is a Dombrowski move. Drain the farm for a guy who helps the short term, and while that short term may lead to great success, you then have to start over when that guy inevitably leaves. As this forums proves, winning a World Series and then having years of bad seasons is not acceptable. This team has been rebuilding for a while now in order to create a core of great young players who are cheap and can compete for years to come. They just got rid of 2 major pieces of that plan for a guy who has as good of a shot blowing out his elbow as he does putting up a Cy Young season, and I think both are pretty high. High risk high reward I guess, but money can easily be replaced, great young players not so much. If he’s extended and they acquire a catcher, then I rescind my thoughts and say good move Bres. But ffs trade Mayer or someone that isn’t the only decent prospect at a position of need we have.
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Way back early in this thread, I was a (relatively) lone voice opining that a Crochet package was going to have to include one of the Big Four. Others were concerned about even including Abreu. I'd assumed Mayer was the likely piece going out, because of the surfeit of middle-infield prospects, and the ChiSox having Quero lined up as Catcher-of-the-Future. And I was good with that -- Crochet fills an absolute need and we don't need to worry about him having friends in the clubhouse to get him on hte team. I didn't think they'd need to go as high as Monty for the second piece, but I was thinking Arias so not miles off.

Looking it over now, I'm wondering if I'd prefer the same package but with Mayer in there instead of Teel. Mayer has a much higher ceiling, although his lack of durability is defintiely getting annoying. Teel, I think, has a higher floor -- at worst he's a starting Catcher with at least average hitting and defensive tools.

It's a tough call, actually...do you forgo the pure talent to satisfy positional scarcity?
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Yaz4Ever said:
9. Addresses a YUGE need for us without moving the top 3 prospects, Abreu, or Casas. Would’ve preferred moving Mayer and didn’t realize Teel was being shopped. Signing him to an extension now could make this a 10.
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The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa said:
I'm at an 8 right now. I hate losing Teel at C, would have preferred to trade Mayer from that group given the infield depth in the system, even if Mayer's ceiling is higher. Teel has 1 full season of minor league ball under his belt, and I think his hitting is being underrated by some. But with that said, the team needs high end starting pitching and Crochet is as good a bet as anyone to become a potential long term ace if he remains healthy. My rating would go up to a 10 if Boston can ink him to a long term extension while adding another quality starting pitcher and an upgrade/complement at catcher, positioning them to contend in 2025 and beyond.
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Nine for me, and I say that as someone who probably wouldn't have made the trade during my GM-for-a-day fantasy. High risk, but with a potentially very high reward. Dinged a point for Teel rather than Mayer, although CB probably had little control over that. ChiSox actually did well to wait until Fried was off the market, as it probably raised the pressure and price for more than one GM out there.

Edit--or, what @The_Powa said above, including the assumption that he'll be extended.
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That's not how I read any of these posts:
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Your read is correct for me. If Montgomery is the constant in the equation here, I'd still prefer Teel over Mayer. Mayer's ceiling is way higher, although his road is proving to be a bit bumpier than we hoped and Teel's floor--at his particular position--makes him more appealing to me. I'm a little startled by the "eh, he's probably destined to be a pretty good everyday guy" takes here underestimate how useful that is.
 
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Your read is correct for me. If Montgomery is the constant in the equation here, I'd still prefer Teel over Mayer. Mayer's ceiling is way higher, although his road is proving to be a bit bumpier than we hoped and Teel's floor--at his particular position--makes him more appealing to me. I'm a little startled by the "eh, he's probably destined to be a pretty good everyday guy" takes here underestimate how useful that is.
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To me, Mayer's ceiling is like top 3 SS & Teel's is like top 10 catcher, & I think their median outcomes are probably pretty similar... like 17-20 at their position.

But who knows? That's the wonderful thing about prospects.
 
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Well I dislike losing the Angel Bastard, but we did keep Yordanny, so overall it's a relief for me. Factoring in the trade, this day could have been a lot worse!
 
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Outstanding profile on Boston.com on Sox pitching prospect Payton Tolle (and his inspirational mom, Jina):

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2024/12/11/payton-tolle-gina-tolle-chris-reilly-red-sox/
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That one is paywalled for me but if it's similar to this it's definitely going to be a good story.

View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1834208186829516802

“She was a badass,” Tolle said. “Everything about her. She was amazing. She was my best friend and somebody I could always go to about absolutely anything. I think anybody you’d talk to would say she was incredible to be around. I can’t remember any time we hung out with anybody and didn’t just have fun being with each other.

“She was just always so much fun. She was funny. There were so many different ways that she lit up the room. She was just a badass,” he continued. “The only reason people knew she had cancer was because of her hair. For a while, early on, the chemo didn’t take away her hair and people were like, ‘There’s no way she has cancer because of how positive she’s being.’ She was just a positive influence on everyone around her. I got to witness it first-hand.”
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https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/09/be-a-tigger-red-sox-draft-pick-takes-late-moms-legacy-motto-into-pro-career.html
 
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AlNipper49 said:
I’m no @JM3 but my read on EDC is that he’s a decent lottery ticket type. Not a bad move for the Yanks to get like a $5 scratch off for helping clear their 40 man.

The Sox probably came out a little ahead, but when you factor in the Yanks were going to have to do something to get space on the 40 it’s probably a push.
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EDC because he gets rave reviews?

I like the easy velo that he can generate. SP doesn't like his fastball shape. He only recently turned 21 in August. One potential downside is that he's Rule 5 eligible next December.

https://soxprospects.com/players/rodriguezcruz-elmer.htm

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EDC because he gets rave reviews?

I like the easy velo that he can generate. SP doesn't like his fastball shape. He only recently turned 21 in August. One potential downside is that he's Rule 5 eligible next December.

https://soxprospects.com/players/rodriguezcruz-elmer.htm

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Honestly? I hate it just because we're giving the yanks international bonus pool space. Don't care whether it's just $10k or what not. It's just out of principle. We're supposed to be saving that money for Sasaki, anyways.
 
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