2024-2025 MiLB Offseason

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I'm going to be super bummed when the only real pitching prospect in the system is poached in Rule 5. This team is such a slow motion car crash right now.
 

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If that were remotely true I'd also be super bummed about it.

But it's not so I'll just be regular bummed cause I like Yordanny.
 

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Some weird choices on that list. Lots of pitchers with control issues & hitters with strikeout issues.

Wouldn't mind taking a long look at Logan Workman or Shane Smith, & hope someone takes Messinger away from the Yankees out of general principle.
Ok, very short look at Smith instead.
 

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I'm more worried about the AAA portion.
Anybody in particular? Last year they left a ton of guys unprotected & didn't even fill their whole list. But haven't looked into potential losses this year. Here's the SP list of players who would need protecting...

December 2024
Jose Adames
Angel Bastardo
Alex Binelas
Taylor Broadway
Zach Bryant
Allan Castro
Brendan Cellucci
Juan Chacon
Nathanael Cruz
Kelvin Diaz
Shane Drohan
Nate Eaton
Juan Daniel Encarnacion
Albert Feliz
Max Ferguson
Michael Fulmer
Grant Gambrell
Bryan Gonzalez
Nathan Hickey
Gabriel Jackson
Blaze Jordan
Robert Kwiatkowski
CJ Liu
Eduardo Lopez
Tyler McDonough
Tyler Miller
Wyatt Mills
Yordanny Monegro
Juan Montero
Wyatt Olds
Ronald Rosario
Corey Rosier
Reidis Sena
Phillip Sikes
Karson Simas
Adam Smith
Noah Song
Luis Talavera
Christopher Troye
Tyler Uberstine
Miguel Ugueto
Brian Van Belle
Diego Viloria
Jacob Webb
Jeremy Wu-Yelland
Seby Zavala

https://soxprospects.com/rule5.htm
 

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Who do we stand to lose there?
Based off of this, anyone who is rule 5 eligible and not placed on the AAA roster, if I am reading it correctly.

While the Major League Rule 5 Draft captures the majority of the headlines, the draft also has a Minor League portion that allows teams to select minor league prospects from other teams and add them to their farm system.
In the MiLB phase, any player who meets the same eligibility requirements of the MLB Rule 5 Draft who is not added to the organization's 38-man Triple-A roster can be selected by another team. Players taken in the MiLB phase do not need to be added to the 40-Man or active roster and can be assigned to any level of their new team's Minor League system.
 

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Yeah, but presuming Yordanny is gone in the mlb portion, is there anyone else not on that list we particularly care about?

Is the AAA reserve list even public info?
 

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Can a team take its own player in the Rule 5 draft? If there were some backpeddling in the FO, and they really want to keep YORDANNY, could they select him? And then return him to...themselves?
 

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If I was protecting 38 of these guys...

December 2024
Jose Adames*
Angel Bastardo**
Alex Binelas*
Taylor Broadway*
Zach Bryant*
Allan Castro**
Brendan Cellucci**
Juan Chacon*
Nathanael Cruz
Kelvin Diaz*
Shane Drohan**
Nate Eaton**
Juan Daniel Encarnacion*
Albert Feliz
Max Ferguson**
Michael Fulmer**
Grant Gambrell**
Bryan Gonzalez*
Nathan Hickey**
Gabriel Jackson**
Blaze Jordan**
Robert Kwiatkowski
CJ Liu**
Eduardo Lopez*
Tyler McDonough*
Tyler Miller*
Wyatt Mills**
Yordanny Monegro***
Juan Montero
Wyatt Olds**
Ronald Rosario**
Corey Rosier**
Reidis Sena*
Phillip Sikes**
Karson Simas
Adam Smith
Noah Song**
Luis Talavera
Christopher Troye**
Tyler Uberstine**
Miguel Ugueto**
Brian Van Belle**
Diego Viloria
Jacob Webb*
Jeremy Wu-Yelland**
Seby Zavala**

*** YORDANNY
** Sure
* I guess?

My last spot came down to Kwiatkowski or JDE. But yeah... should be fine? Maybe Montero or Natty Cruz should be added? Not really pressed about it, though.
 
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If that were remotely true I'd also be super bummed about it.

But it's not so I'll just be regular bummed cause I like Yordanny.
The heart wants what the heart wants, I guess. I'll take Yordanny's upside over the collection of AAAA guys or the guys with amazing stuff who have no idea where it's going.

Doesn't much matter, I guess, since he's most likely gone.

edit: unless you're counting the guy out on TJ sabbatical, in which case, fair point. But I'm not worried about losing him.
 

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The SP guys are pretty adamant about no Yordanny problems...

Hatfield:

FWIW, I'd argue that 2019 Lowell Noah Song may have been more ready for MLB than Monegro is now. The unique circumstance was that he hadn't pitched in years when he was eligible.

There's a reason he hasn't shown up on BA's extensive preview. Guys like Monegro who throw 75% secondaries and have fringy fastballs have a tough time hanging in MLB.

He certainly could get picked - it just takes one team, right? I don't think he will, and if he does, I bet he is returned.
iakavos (idk who he is other than the guy who starts gameday threads with inferior titles & a global mod over there)

Song was a special case of Dombowski revenge.

And yes, kids are often selected that aren't ready. But nothing about Monegro screams capable of being stashed on a big league club. Decent fastball velo, but fringe command and control. Good slider but nothing else that's great. JJ Cooper has gone through iterations of intriguing Rule 5 guys, no mention of Monegro. Maybe he's way off. Maybe I am, too.
https://forum.soxprospects.com/thread/7164/2024-rule-5-draft?page=9
 

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Well they've had Yordanny ranked about ten spots too low for years now, so their appraisals are internally consistent. They had Wikelman in the top 10 when he was still throwing 6 BB/9.
 

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Well they've had Yordanny ranked about ten spots too low for years now, so their appraisals are internally consistent. They had Wikelman in the top 10 when he was still throwing 6 BB/9.
Yeahhh...I mean I think they're absolutely crazy on the whole Yordanny thing. Some day we shall see who was right.
 

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Can a team take its own player in the Rule 5 draft? If there were some backpeddling in the FO, and they really want to keep YORDANNY, could they select him? And then return him to...themselves?
A team can select a player from its own organization. The Braves did so during the Ed Olwine era when Sanford and Son was the highlight of the TBS broadcast schedule. But that player is still subject to Rule 5 restrictions, so they would have to be passed through waivers before being “returned” and sent to the minor leagues without restrictions.
 

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On the subject of Wikelman, if I was in charge of a warm weather team I would try to buy low on him.

First 10 games...

36 IP
8.00 ERA
.237 BAA
9 K/9
6.5 BB/9

Last 14 games...

47.2 IP
2.27 ERA
.166 BAA
10.6 K/9
3.8 BB/9
 

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I might LOL if the Phil's took Song again. Like, I could totally see letting loose a chuckle, or a high octave guffah.

HOLY SHIT WHAT
 

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Who do we stand to lose there?
Anybody in particular? Last year they left a ton of guys unprotected & didn't even fill their whole list. But haven't looked into potential losses this year. Here's the SP list of players who would need protecting...
Yeah, it's a bit of a mystery who is on the list and who isn't. That is part of my concern. I think we have a lot of depth and could lose someone interesting.
 

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Everything but Montgomery I can rationalize in that deal... but blah.
 

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1st round done.

Only the Braves made a pick in round 2.

On to round 3...YORDANNY is safe.
 

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Everything but Montgomery I can rationalize in that deal... but blah.
We're pretty rich in plus outfielders at the big club. I've been down on Meidroth at the next level for his total lack of power. it's reasonable to have to give up a pitching talent to get pitching talent. Losing Teel hurts.

Crochet could be really, really good and is only 26 years old. It's very expensive in either prospects or treasure to acquire premier pitching talent. I think this is a move the Sox had to make and I am guessing we weren't bidding against ourselves here.
 

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Everything but Montgomery I can rationalize in that deal... but blah.
The Red Sox have presumably spent most of the last 6 months with Montgomery stashed in the lab. I have to assume they have a good idea what they are giving up.
 

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The Red Sox have presumably spent most of the last 6 months with Montgomery stashed in the lab. I have to assume they have a good idea what they are giving up.
Doubt he's even healthy, yet.

Red Sox draft Hobie Harris RHP from the Mets.
 

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Red Sox draft Hobie Harris RHP from the Mets.
Harris is 31. He pitched 19.1 innings for the Nats in '23 (5.12 ERA).

He spent last year with Twins AAA & had a 6.79 ERA in 54.1 IP. 5.1 bb/9.

He was a 31st round pick by the Yankees in 2015.
 

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The Red Sox have presumably spent most of the last 6 months with Montgomery stashed in the lab. I have to assume they have a good idea what they are giving up.
The kid is young and coming off injury, I doubt they've learned much. I think it's as simple as you gotta give talent to get talent. 26 year old starters that are proven at the MLB level being available in trade is a pretty rare commodity right now.
 

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Round 2 - Red Sox take Darvin Garcia RHP from Pirates High-A.
 

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Round 2 - Red Sox take Darvin Garcia RHP from Pirates High-A.
Garcia turns 26 in April. He's 6'3 & had a 4.50 ERA in 44 innings in A+ last season (he pitched 1 inning in AA, badly). 8.8 k/9, 5.5 bb/9.

He's from Las Matas, DR. His 1st pro season was at 20 in 2019 with DSL Pirates 2.
 

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Which r5 is this? Do these guys need to go on our 40?
Minor League R5. No. They don't need to do anything with them. They're just buying MiLB players for $24k basically.

On to round 3.
 

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Red Sox take Manuel Medina LHP from Marlins Low-A.
He turns 23 in March. Has pitched a total of 124 innings in 5 seasons with a max of 40.1 in 2022.

Seems midly intriguing, though. In 20.1 innings in FCL + 4 in A-Ball he had a 1.48 ERA, 15.2 k/9, 1.8 bb/9. He's only 5'10, though.
 

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Red Sox pick Jack Anderson RHP from Tigers AA in round 4.

& then had the Cardinals draft Miguel Ugueto next pick. Really swapping hitters for pitchers...
 

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Anderson is a 6'3 RHP who went to FSU & was drafted in the 16th round in '21 after being drafted in the 36th round out of HS in '18 by the Yankees. He's 25.

They said AA, but he only pitched in A+ (49.1 IP, 2.92 ERA) & AAA (17 IP, 5.82 ERA) last year.

We passed in the 5th round. Most teams are done at this point.
 

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Phillies just took a player off the Pirates DSL roster with the only pick in the 6th round... does not appear to be a deep system.

68 players taken total.