2024-2025 MiLB Offseason

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Red Sox position player grades from The Athletic are out...

I was going to list them but they're honestly not that exciting, so let's just do this...

A - Duran/Abreu
D - Valdez
Inc - Casas/Grissom/Story

Everyone else got a B or a C.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5816522/2024/10/04/red-sox-position-player-grades-2024/
Pitching grades are out. Similarly not that exciting...

A - Houck/Slaten
C-/D+ - Bernardino
D - Kelly/Anderson
F - Garcia/Sims/Keller/Joely

Everyone else got a B, a C or incomplete.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5819297/2024/10/07/red-sox-pitching-grades-2024-tanner-houck/
 

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Breslow should also get some credit for Slaten and Booser, imo.
Bloom acquired Booser (he spent all year at Worcester last year). I think this was about guys acquired by Breslow not made better by the pitching infrastructure.

Sorry, nothing MiLB related to post about so I got bored & was skimming the Main Board lol

SP Awards week is here I guess?

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1843363831893925984


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Feels kind of like cheating to call Jojo a reliever. He came out of the pen his 1st 9 games (most recently on May 9th), & then started his last 12.

He was quite good in both roles.

Reliever: 9 games, 18 IP, 2.00 ERA, .562 OPS, 17.5 K/9, 2.5 bb/9

Starter: 12 games, 40.1 IP, 1.79 ERA, .514 OPS, 12.9 k/9, 3.3 bb/9

Not that he pitched that many innings per start (especially after returning from injury), but yeah.
 

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Feels kind of like cheating to call Jojo a reliever. He came out of the pen his 1st 9 games (most recently on May 9th), & then started his last 12.

He was quite good in both roles.

Reliever: 9 games, 18 IP, 2.00 ERA, .562 OPS, 17.5 K/9, 2.5 bb/9

Starter: 12 games, 40.1 IP, 1.79 ERA, .514 OPS, 12.9 k/9, 3.3 bb/9

Not that he pitched that many innings per start (especially after returning from injury), but yeah.
Especially now that we don't have Lowell, "games started" in Salem is maybe a less useful stat than it used to be as they manage pitcher development and workloads. Those numbers average less than 3 IP per appearance; half his starts were less than 4 innings and he only pitched 5 innings twice all year. Hard to evaluate him for a year-end award and consider him a starter in context. (He did sneak in with the sketchiest photo of the lot--I will be really annoyed if I don't see him pitch in Fort Myers next spring.)
 

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Sox released Brainer Bonaci which is a big deal as he was a former system top 10 prospect.
 

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Especially now that we don't have Lowell, "games started" in Salem is maybe a less useful stat than it used to be as they manage pitcher development and workloads. Those numbers average less than 3 IP per appearance; half his starts were less than 4 innings and he only pitched 5 innings twice all year. Hard to evaluate him for a year-end award and consider him a starter in context. (He did sneak in with the sketchiest photo of the lot--I will be really annoyed if I don't see him pitch in Fort Myers next spring.)
It felt like they trying to convert him to that 4+ innings a game starter role & he pitched between 48 & 70 pitches in all of those starts until he sat out a month & then pitched 5 innings total in his 3 games after coming back.

But any chance to give Jojo some love I can't dislike too much. All the guys with hype as relievers coming into the season, other than Luis Guerrero, really struggled - Troye, Hoppe, Cepeda, Sena, etc., which also opened up some room for a guy like Jojo.
 

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Curious what the criteria is for these teams & I'm sure they're explained somewhere... but it's neither just the toppest of prospects nor the best of seasons.

For example:
SP A - 3.99 ERA in 103.2 IP (A+/AA), 3.4 bb/9, 12 k/9

SP B - 3.17 ERA in 113.2 IP (AA), 4 bb/9, 11.7 k/9

But I assume it's mostly best seasons by guys they consider legit prospects.
 

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Curious what the criteria is for these teams & I'm sure they're explained somewhere... but it's neither just the toppest of prospects nor the best of seasons.

For example:
SP A - 3.99 ERA in 103.2 IP (A+/AA), 3.4 bb/9, 12 k/9

SP B - 3.17 ERA in 113.2 IP (AA), 4 bb/9, 11.7 k/9

But I assume it's mostly best seasons by guys they consider legit prospects.
I think there are at least 10-11 people with votes (I don't vote) and so different voters will have different assessments of various factors; you'll always have a situation where players were on ballots but just missed in the final tally. Everyone puts different weight on different criteria. Do you penalize a player who missed part of the year in an "all star" vote? How do you weigh stats from the lower minors (which can be really sketchy) versus those from higher levels? How old is a player in a given league? Did he earn a promotion during the season? Do park factors play a role in the numbers? What kind of defense played behind a pitcher?

I think the position player choices had more consensus. SP B was in the mix.
 

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Just playing around on BlueSky...

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I’d love to know the value around baseball of Chase Meidroth. Brian Abraham recently told SoxProspects he could be an all-star. He’s a dirt dog, but one that analytics departments love. However, it’s hard to see a path in Boston. Is there a team that values him as the next guy after Montgomery.
https://bsky.app/profile/redsoxstats.bsky.social/post/3lb5udqnbxs2p
 

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I'm a proud Meidroth-stan myself. Easy to see him getting overlooked while guys with a more flashy skill (like Hamilton) get run, but Meidroth delivers real value when he's at bat, and doesn't seem to give much away with the glove.
 

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Random side thing from the Main Board...

I would take Crochet for Abreu and spare parts in a heartbeat. I wouldn't overthink it--we have the OF depth.

Abreu is 25 and reasonably low upside (was never a top-100 prospect...he finished 2023 as the Red Sox #23 on MLB). Sell high.
I thought that was a reallllllly bad ranking from MLB.com. SoxProspects had Wilyer 8 after the '23 season & I had him 10. But it's actually the start of '23 rankings.

But yeah, his ceiling is capped due to the limitations in his game that still exist, not due to flawed or outdated scouting reports.
 

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He's a center fielder though, with strong defense and a good arm as his carrying tools, and just climbed three levels in a year at age 21. Not incredibly difficult for a White Sox or A's to roster him as a 4th OF for a year. I'd rather lose Bailey Horn for nothing than him.
Jhostynxon isn't like a good CF as far as I can tell - despite some reports to the contrary. & the issue isn't really Bailey Horn it's player addition X who will need a roster spot.

Also, (after somehow picking up 14 steals in 14 attempts in 109 A-Ball PAs), he had 3 steals & 7 caught stealing in 354 PAs between High-A & AA, which doesn't give me a lot of optimism that he has the athleticism for CF, especially since he's going to have to bulk to be an impact bat while also improving plate discipline.

Idk, I hope I'm very wrong on him, but I personally don't see it. Seems like someone who would strike out like 40% of the time if he tried to play MLB next year.
 

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Jhostynxon isn't like a good CF as far as I can tell - despite some reports to the contrary. & the issue isn't really Bailey Horn it's player addition X who will need a roster spot.

Also, (after somehow picking up 14 steals in 14 attempts in 109 A-Ball PAs), he had 3 steals & 7 caught stealing in 354 PAs between High-A & AA, which doesn't give me a lot of optimism that he has the athleticism for CF, especially since he's going to have to bulk to be an impact bat while also improving plate discipline.

Idk, I hope I'm very wrong on him, but I personally don't see it. Seems like someone who would strike out like 40% of the time if he tried to play MLB next year.
JM3 may be crossing the streams, but their aim is true. Protecting Garcia is not about Bailey Horn or the next four days.

Unless he is currently deployed with the Pacific Fleet, Horn very likely already watched his last sunset on the Red Sox’ 40-man roster. Protecting Garcia is about designating for assignment David Hamilton or Greg Weissert in five months when Kristian Campbell is selected to the major league roster after Vaughn Grissom sees his shadow and spends another six weeks with Worcester.

Trimming the fat to fit Garcia on the 40-man roster would be easy. Fleshing out a sustainably competitive major league team with the additional constraint would be considerably more difficult.
 

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JM3 may be crossing the streams, but their aim is true. Protecting Garcia is not about Bailey Horn or the next four days.

Unless he is currently deployed with the Pacific Fleet, Horn very likely already watched his last sunset on the Red Sox’ 40-man roster. Protecting Garcia is about designating for assignment David Hamilton or Greg Weissert in five months when Kristian Campbell is selected to the major league roster after Vaughn Grissom sees his shadow and spends another six weeks with Worcester.

Trimming the fat to fit Garcia on the 40-man roster would be easy. Fleshing out a sustainably competitive major league team with the additional constraint would be considerably more difficult.
I take my boycotts seriously.

I'm sure there will be plenty of guys ready for the 60-day IL by then, but yeah, I just don't see either the current ability or future upside to warrant the use of a 40-man spot on him.

What's your take on Yordanny? Not sure if I recall seeing you express an opinion on him.
 

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I take my boycotts seriously.

I'm sure there will be plenty of guys ready for the 60-day IL by then, but yeah, I just don't see either the current ability or future upside to warrant the use of a 40-man spot on him.

What's your take on Yordanny? Not sure if I recall seeing you express an opinion on him.
Monegro’s combination of strikeouts and infield fly balls augmented by his strong finish to the season make him a necessary 40-man roster addition to me.

Dedicating a second option season entirely or even mostly to Monegro’s development in 2026 would be less than ideal, but I am hopeful that by then multiple members of the Fitts/Guerrero/Priester trio will have firmly established themselves in major-league roles. Or at least started a residency at Scullers Jazz Club celebrating Oscar Peterson’s entire catalog.
 

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From Hunter Noll's new article on the R5...

Yordanny Monegro also seems unlikely for a 40-man spot. They didn't promote the right-handed pitcher to Double-A before the end of the season, and that felt like a purposeful move. They did it to keep other teams from being inclined to draft him. No GM will put someone who hasn't pitched above High-A on their Opening Day roster. Monegro will likely be placed on the Triple-A roster for the time being to protect him from the minor league portion of the draft.
Smh. Doesn't feel like he really gets thee nuance in these things.

Jhostynxon Garcia is the big name to look out for when it comes to position players. The 2024 season was a major breakout for the right-handed hitting outfielder. However, he only appeared in 30 games in Double-A, and it feels unlikely that a team will take the risk on a hitter with that little experience at the level. Garcia might still be the second-most likely to be protected.
Dobbins is his one sure thing:

Dobbins has a mid-high 90s fastball and good off-speed pitches that include a splinker. He's one of the top pitching prospects in the system and has a legitimate chance to make an impact in the Majors in 2025.
He doesn't mention Fulmer.

https://bosoxinjection.com/predicting-the-rule-5-draft-plans-for-the-boston-red-sox-during-2024-25-offseason
 

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At the very least their omission of Fulmer is weird. We really bought a broken guy on an expensive milb contract to have him chill and rehab for a year and then give him away for free? I don't see it.
It has become more difficult to stash a guy on the MLB roster, so I don’t know if it will be worth it to do so for Monegro. Teams stream so many relievers these days.
The Nats did this with Thad Ward just last year. He sucked out loud and they found 35 innings for him anyway. Not every team is trying to win.
 

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Ward was two years ago. He had a 5.87 ERA and 7+ BB rate in AAA last year. Nationals waived him, and now he’s an Oriole.

Re: Fullmer, how healthy is he? If he’s going to start the year in the DL, will another team take him and have him clog up their 40 for a few months? He will be 32 when next year starts, so who knows. Could be a gamble.
 

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A kind of weird semi-recent example is 2020 when the Pirates took Luis Oviedo who had been pretty terrible in A-Ball in 2019 (5.38 ERA in 87 innings with 72 strikeouts & 40 walks).

& then of course Noah Song had never pitched higher than Lowell (low-A) when he was drafted in '22.

Thad Ward had pitched all of 33.1 AA innings when he was taken & doesn't have a fraction of the stuff Yordanny does.

I just don't really see how they get to opt him out of the R5 process by not promoting him when he ended his Greenville season as follows:

9 GS (6-0)
44 IP
2 ER (0.41 ERA)
17 hits (.114 BAA)
14 bb (2.9 bb/9)
54 k (11 k/9)

Both runs were in his last start of the season & opponents had a .368 OPS against him during that run & he had a 0.70 WHIP.

He also picked off more runners during that time (4) than he allowed to steal a base (3 in 5 attempts).
 

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Uh okay, nice (not) knowing you Fulmer.

I really hope I'm wrong about Yordanny getting snapped up.
 

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Uh okay, nice (not) knowing you Fulmer.

I really hope I'm wrong about Yordanny getting snapped up.
That doesn't necessarily mean they aren't keeping others I don't think. But yeahhh...idk. Fulmer a ton depends on how he's been looking in his rehab & they would know that best.

Nvm, it does mean that.

View: https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1858990656448065726

I hope Yordanny goes to a team I don't mind rooting for & they have a welcoming message board.
 

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My other thought was that Fulmer would presumably be owed his contract if selected, which is up to $3.5m after incentives, so maybe they think that'll be a deterrent.